UN vs. LYBIA - 100,000 Starving in Lybia - Rebels ask for $2 Billion Loan!

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(Updates 11th paragraph with Obama telephone call to British, French leaders. For more news on Mideast turmoil, see EXTRA and MET.)

March 18 (Bloomberg) -- The United Nations Security Council authorized a no-fly zone and other military action to prevent Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi from making good on his threat to conquer the rebel capital, Benghazi, and “destroy” the opposition movement.

The council provided the legal basis for the U.S., France, the U.K. and several Arab nations to intervene in the Libyan conflict to avert a feared bloodbath if Qaddafi defeats the opposition. The embattled Libyan dictator said yesterday he would show “no mercy” to “traitors” who do not surrender.

The UN vote drew cheers and celebratory gunfire from hundreds of anti-Qaddafi Libyans gathered in Benghazi.

“We have very little time left,” French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe told the Security Council before the vote. “Every day, every hour we see the closing of the clamp on the civilian population. We should not arrive too late.”

The latest violence in Libya, as well as turmoil in Bahrain and elsewhere in the region, rattled oil markets. Crude oil climbed the most in three weeks on concern that will spread, reducing shipments.

After the vote, Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaaim said at a press conference in Tripoli the regime is ready to negotiate a cease-fire, according to Agence France Presse.

‘Decisive Hour’

Earlier in the day, Libyan jets dropped bombs on the outskirts of Benghazi. Qaddafi went on state television to say the “decisive hour” had arrived for his forces to take Benghazi, a coastal city of a million.

His ability to quickly make good on the threat was unclear, since fighting continued around Ajdabiya, about 100 miles south of Benghazi, where Qaddafi’s forces are facing rebel holdouts.

The U.S. and other nations have said little publicly about what military action they are prepared to take. Senators received a classified briefing yesterday on the administration’s plans.

A spokesman for President Barack Obama, Tommy Vietor, said the president would make no immediate public comments. Enforcing the UN resolution would involve the U.S. militarily in a third Muslim country after declaring that Qaddafi needed to give up power after four decades.

Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron

Obama called French President Nicolas Sarkozy and U.S. Prime Minister David Cameron last night to discuss implementing the UN resolution, the White House said in a statement. The three agreed to work closely with Arab and other international partners on enforcing the terms of the resolution and called for an end to the violence against civilians in Libya, the White House said.

The Obama administration had been wary of a no-fly zone, saying that action would involve bombing Libyan air defense sites to safeguard American and allied warplanes and would not be enough to stop Qaddafi’s offensive. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday in Tunisia that military options being considered include deploying drones and arming rebel.

U.S. senators who have been advocating military action -- Republican John McCain of Arizona, Democrat John Kerry of Massachusetts, and Connecticut independent Joe Lieberman -- applauded the administration’s success in winning support for a broad UN military authorization and called the action “an important step on behalf of the people of Libya.”
 
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=212760

Libya declares ceasefire after UN resolution

TRIPOLI - Libya declared a ceasefire in the country to protect civilians and comply with a United Nations resolution passed overnight, Libyan Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa said on Friday.

"We decided on an immediate ceasefire and on an immediate stop to all military operations," he told reporters. "Libya takes great interest in protecting civilians," he said, adding that the country would also protect all foreigners and foreign assets in Libya.

The announcement comes despite Saif al-Islam, one of Muammar Gaddafi's sons, saying earlier Friday that Libya is not afraid of the UN resolution authorizing military strikes to protect Libyan civilians, Al Arabiya television reported. Al Arabiya did not say where or when he made the remark.

Moments before the ceasefire was announced, British Prime Minister David Cameron said that Britain will imminently start moving fighter jets to bases from where they can help enforce a no fly zone over Libya.

Cameron, who said British forces would join the UN-sponsored operation if Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi failed to stop attacks on civilians, said the international community would soon set out what it expected from Gaddafi.

The United Nations Security Council voted Thursday to authorize military force against Gadhafi’s forces.

“Today the Security Council has responded to the Libyan people's cry for help,” US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said. “This Council's purpose is clear: to protect innocent civilians.”

France and Norway announced Friday that they will join the international military action against Gaddafi's forces.

French government spokesman Francois Baroin said on Friday that "The French, who led the calls [for action], will of course be consistent with military intervention." Asked to specify what that meant, he said "they will participate" in operations.
 
Canada will send six CF-18s, last in action in 1999 as they bombed Serb positions to protect the Albanians of Kosovo.

Did they roll them out of the museum and will they make it in one piece all the way to Lybia?

Good time to invade Canada...
 
would be awesome if this happened. the war machine would get owned.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/18/us.libya.no.fly/

No-fly zone could be canceled if Libya pulls back forces

Even as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the ultimate goal for the U.S. was to see Libya's president cede power, a senior administration official says the U.N.-mandated no-fly zone and military action to support it would not necessarily last until Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi steps down.

This official, who spoke on background because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue, said that "right now, we're focused on stopping the violence."

Clinton said Friday, "The first and overwhelming urgent action is to end the violence. And we have to see a clear set of decisions that are operationalized on the ground by Gadhafi's forces to move physically a significant distance away from the east, where they have been pursuing their campaign against the opposition."

The purpose of the no-fly zone, the administration official said, is to prevent Gadhafi from attacking his own people.

"It's not designed to have him go. That's not the purpose," the official said. "The purpose of the military action is to prevent massive humanitarian loss of life, to stop the violence. If the violence stops, then you shouldn't leap to say then the military action will continue until he leaves."

The ultimate aim of U.S. policy, the administration official said, remains to force Gadhafi step down. But to accomplish that, the administration's strategy hinges on "sequencing."

"There are a lot of different measures," the official said. "If you have a cease-fire in place that is verifiable, then you can continue turning the noose without taking necessarily further action. What we're trying to do is freeze his advance. And then work from there to what was the original call, which was that he has lost legitimacy and he needs to go. But you have to sequence it."

The official conceded that there are many scenarios that could unfold: Gadhafi could remove his forces, or he could temporarily cease attacking, only to later resume fighting. A standoff could ensue. "That is exactly the crux of the matter. No one can define that."

But, this official says, the administration's main approach now is: "Keep the international community focused on this, and the result will be that he leaves, but that may take some time."

A top State Department official raised the concern that Gadhafi could return to underwriting terror plots.

"I think there is also a very real danger that if Gadhafi is successful on the ground, that you will also face a number of other considerable risks as well," Undersecretary Nicholas Burns said Thursday. "The danger of him returning to terrorism, and violent extremism himself, the dangers of the turmoil that he could help create at a critical moment elsewhere in the region."

But a second U.S. official said the intelligence community has been assessing the Libyan leader's capabilities and intentions.

There is no indication that Gadhafi will respond with a terrorist attack; he is "distracted by events in his country," but the official said "no one is discounting his brutality."

The official said it is unlikely Gadhafi could orchestra a "sophisticated plot" such as the Pan Am Flight 103 or Berlin disco bombings, but there is always the possibility of smaller scale attacks.
 
fucking lol. Dem Robert Shrum On Military Action In Libya "I don't think the President needs to go to congress"

 
2 months ago Ghadaffi was USA's best friend. Today he's harboring terrorists. That nobel peace prize comes in handy from time to time.
 
The War Drums are pounding



Apparently The United States Is NOT Going To Deploy Ground Troops Into Libya: Pres Obama

 
Did they roll them out of the museum and will they make it in one piece all the way to Lybia?

Good time to invade Canada...

They are far from museum pieces.. They have all been upgraded with current weapon systems. avionics and other modern goodies. Our fighter pilots are some of the best in the world.
 
These freaking western G7 imperialist pigs knows no bounds, setting-up a "No-Fly" zone over someone else's territory to support a handful of territorists in the name of so called democracy so they can steal their oil !

How would Canada like it if the UN supported the FLQ because these terrorists were being oppressed by English Canadians ?

This is the wrong decision by the UN that bended under western influences, butt out of someone else's affairs and take of care of your own !

I applaud China, Russia and Germany from not voting !
 
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These freaking western G7 imperialist pigs knows no bounds, setting-up a "No-Fly" zone over someone else's territory to support a handful of territorists in the name of so called democracy so they can steal their oil !

How would Canada like it if the UN supported the FLQ because these terrorists were being oppressed by English Canadians ?

This is the wrong decision by the UN that bended under western influences, butt out of someone else's affairs and take of care of your own !

I applaud China, Russia and Germany from not voting !

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter right?

I agree with you on keeping out of the affairs of others. Where were these discussions when people were being slaughtered in Rwanda? Oh ya I forgot there's no oil there.

However I don't applaud Russia, China and Germany for standing by idle. All evil needs is for good men to do nothing.
 
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter right?

I agree with you on keeping out of the affairs of others. Where were these discussions when people were being slaughtered in Rwanda? Oh ya I forgot there's no oil there.

However I don't applaud Russia, China and Germany for standing by idle. All evil needs is for good men to do nothing.

Funny how Gaddafi was called the "Mad Dog" of Africa until he started selling oil to the west again in 2000 !
Do you know Libya's revolution of ousting the oppressive monarchy by the then Captain Gaddafi in 1969 was their "revolution" and that now Libyans currently enjoy the best living standards out of all African nations ?
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Africa/Libya-POVERTY-AND-WEALTH.html

Do you think if a "real revolt" by "all" of the Libyan people would not be able to oust the Gaddifi government ?, interesting how a little group of the population that causes unrest and pleads to west to help them over throw a valid government with military force actually succeeds under the "disguise" of helping "all Libyans" ! ...LoL surprising how the western public is so easily persuaded and manipulated for "regime change" under the control of the CIA !
 
I think it was FDR who said of Somoza "He may be a bastard, but he's our bastard." That's the line that US foreign policy follows when propping up regimes.

Its nice to work with the Americans, until you piss them off, then they drop you like a hot potatoe.

IIRC rebel leaders were asked (when they were winning) if they wanted a foreign intervention and one leader was quoted as saying "We do not need the help of the U.S. and her globalist allies."

I can agree with you that at this point the entire situation is being manipulated. BUT you can't sit there and tell me that a man who has been in power for 40 years has a VALID government. You say they "enjoy" the highest standard of living in Africa but that's a bit distorted. They're 53rd overall according to the HDI which puts them in the company of Romania, Croatia and Uruguay. So they're at the top of the shit pile, they're still in a shit pile.

Taken from Wikipedia:

Muammar al-Gaddafi became de facto leader of Libya on 1 September 1969 when he led a group of young Libyan military officers to stage a coup d'état against King Idris I, who would then be exiled to Egypt. The new administration, headed by the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC), abolished the monarchy and the constitution, and proclaimed the new Libyan Arab Republic. Gaddafi renamed the Libyan Arab Republic to Jamahiriya in 1977, a neologism translating to "state of the masses", styling himself "Leader and Guide of the Revolution" and forming "people's committees". He resigned from the position of General Secretary of the General People's Congress of Libya in 1979, but remained in power as de-facto dictator throughout the 1980s to 2000s, running the country a single party police state.

Reportedly 10 to 20 percent of Libyans work in surveillance for Gaddafi's Revolutionary Committees, a proportion of informants on par with Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Kim Jong Il's North Korea. The surveillance takes place in government, in factories, and in the education sector.

Political conversations with foreigners is a crime punishable by three years of prison. In any case Gaddafi removed foreign languages from school curriculum. One protester in 2011 described the situation as: "None of us can speak English or French. He kept us ignorant and blindfolded".

The regime has often executed dissidents publicly and the executions are repeated in state television channels.

Libya is the most censored country in the Middle East and North Africa, according to the Freedom of the Press Index.

So while I agree with you that at this point the whole thing is SNAFU, I don't feel bad for the guy.
 
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