Israel vs Hamas: Deadly Theater (Thread About the On Going WAR)

^IDF soldiers are not god fearing men that lay their lives for their land and for their people?

I think your ancestors need to be dug up so they can woop your ass.

You post stuff on this thread that are ridiculous(ie, UN resolution against Israel) However, whenever your provided with a counter argument with facts straight in the face, you ignore it. Why don't you answer to what EVOX09 just posted?
 
T'es con ou t'es con?
Qu'est ce que vient foutre le hamas là dedans? Tu leur reproche quoi? De combattre? Ils représentent la résistance et sont déjà plus légitime qu'un état israélien sur ces terres là

Un gouvernement "légitime" c'est sa? On parles ici d'un gouvernment humain et non PAS animal.

 
Enfin bref continues de rabacher ta merde
http://rt.com/on-air/gaza-violence-hamas-israel/

Tu vient juste de te faire humilier dans ce forum. T'a le point de vue d'un idiot. Tu dis que le Hamas est plus légitime que celle d'Israël. Je te montre juste UNE preuve comment le Hamas c'est des Barbares et puis en réponse tu a rien a dire et ensuite de sa tu me montres un article provenant de RT. De la pure propagande. Vas te faire cultivé un peu.
 
riquelme_13
confirmer pour intellectuel de sallon.

incapable de fair la part des chose
apprêt Qui cest fait dire Sont opinion.
 
Tu vient juste de te faire humilier dans ce forum. T'a le point de vue d'un idiot. Tu dis que le Hamas est plus légitime que celle d'Israël. Je te montre juste UNE preuve comment le Hamas c'est des Barbares et puis en réponse tu a rien a dire et ensuite de sa tu me montres un article provenant de RT. De la pure propagande. Vas te faire cultivé un peu.
Va te faire mettre ok. De quoi tu parles? Je me suis fait humilier sur un forum d'autos? Wtf?
Je te parle de legitimité d'Israel qui se proclame garant du droit des juifs alors que dans leurs propres livres il leur est interdit de foncer un état.
Je te parle de légitimité politique, c'est le 1er etat terroriste dans le monde mais personne ne dit rien (ni la presse, ni les citoyens, ni les leaders arabes wahabites 1ers traitres)
Je te parle d'un pays qui bombarde une bande de terre sous blocus, qui tue enfants femmes vieux qui colonise des terres etc etc.
Et toi tu me sors une video hors contexte d'un gars qui se fait trainer pour je ne sais quelle raison? Parlons de fait trouduc.
T'as vu les americains et israeliens se soulever lorsqu'il y a eu le scandale d'Abou Ghrayeb?
Tu penses vivre dans un monde de bisounours? Ou on ne fait pas de mal aux infiiltrateurs?
Quelle est ta logique pour mettre les deux sur un pied d'egalité?
Tu te rend compte que T'ES CON?
 
riquelme_13
confirmer pour intellectuel de sallon.

incapable de fair la part des chose
apprêt Qui cest fait dire Sont opinion.

Si le QI s'évalue aussi avec la qualité du français écrit, tu scores pas beaucoup plus haut... just sayin'
 
Un gouvernement "légitime" c'est sa? On parles ici d'un gouvernment humain et non PAS animal.


Story behind this video, this was one of 6 palestinian men accused of spying for Israel. So they were publicly executed and dragged.
Hamas militants publicly kill 6 suspected informers for Israel at Gaza City intersection

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/W...el+Gaza+City/7575681/story.html#ixzz2Co8g5tFI

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/7583640.bin?size=620x400s

Palestinian gunmen ride motorcycles as they drag the body of a man who was killed earlier Tuesday as a suspected collaborator with Israel, in Gaza City, Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2012. The man was one of six suspected collaborators who, according to witnesses, were killed in a main intersection by masked men who forced them to lie down in the street and shot them in the head. The Hamas military wing claimed responsibility

Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel at a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.

Some in the crowd stomped and spit on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"

The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters and rocket launching sites.

The killing came on the seventh day of an Israeli military offensive that has killed more than 120 Palestinians, both militants and civilians. Israel has launched hundreds of airstrikes, targeting rocket launching sites, weapons caches and homes of Hamas activists, as Palestinians fired hundreds of rockets at Israel.

In selecting its targets for airstrikes, Israel relies on unmanned spy planes, or drones, but also on a network of Palestinian collaborators who feed information to their handlers from Israel's domestic Shin Bet security service.

Israel has relied on informers ever since it captured the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast War. Some are recruited with promises of work permits or money, while others are blackmailed into collaborating.

There is broad consensus among Palestinians that informers for Israel deserve harsh punishment, and it is rare to hear someone speak out against killings of alleged collaborators. Such public killings been carried out in the West Bank and Gaza since the first intifada — or uprising — against Israeli occupation in the late 1980s.

Tuesday's killings took place in Gaza City's Sheik Radwan neighbourhood.

Witnesses said a van stopped at the intersection, where four masked men pushed the six suspected informers out of the vehicle. Salim Mahmoud, 18, said the gunmen ordered the six to lie face down in the street and then shot them dead. Another witness, 13-year-old Mokhmen al-Gazhali, said the informers were killed one by one, as he mimicked the sound of gunfire.

They said only a few people were in the street at first — most Gazans have been staying indoors because of the Israeli airstrikes — but the crowd quickly grew after the killings. Eventually several hundred men pushed and shoved to get a close look at the bodies, lying in a jumble on the ground. One man spit at the corpses, another kicked the head of one of the dead men.

"They should have been killed in a more brutal fashion so others don't even think about working with the occupation (Israel)," said one of the bystanders, 24-year-old Ashraf Maher.

One body was then tied by a cable to the back of a motorcycle and dragged through the streets. A number of gunmen on motorcycles rode along as the body was pulled past a house of mourning for victims of an Israeli airstrike.

In Israel's last major Gaza offensive four years ago, 17 suspected collaborators who fled after their prisons were hit in airstrikes were later shot dead in extra-judicial killings.

During the current offensive, Tuesday's killings brought to eight the number of suspected informers being shot dead in public. On Friday, the body of one alleged informer was found in a garbage bin, and another was shot dead in the street. Hamas claimed responsibility for both killings.

Since seizing Gaza in 2007, Hamas has executed four informers by firing squad, and about a dozen more are on death row in Gaza.

During Israel's direct occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, some informers openly co-operated with Israeli forces. For example, one informer in the West Bank town of Jericho displayed a photograph of Israel's army chief at the time on the wall of his office, in a defiant display of his allegiance.

After Israel pulled back troops from parts of the West Bank, he and others were given refuge in Israel. Other informers were evacuated from Gaza after Israel withdrew in 2005, but Israel is believed to have maintained a network there. Human rights groups have alleged, for example, that Gaza medical patients seeking treatment in Israel are sometimes approached by the Shin Bet at the crossing into Israel.
 
T'es con ou t'es con?
Qu'est ce que vient foutre le hamas là dedans? Tu leur reproche quoi? De combattre? Ils représentent la résistance et sont déjà plus légitime qu'un état israélien sur ces terres là. Et sans rentrer dans des considerations politiques, ce qui me chagrine c'est que BHL et tous ces sionistes de merde ainsi que leurs alliés arabes ne disent pas un mot sur la palestine, ne demandent pas de zone d'exclusion aerienne ni rien

J'ai de la peine pour toi.
 
A must read for all!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-israel-or-just-the-most-heroic-2087909.html

“The day the president of the United States decides to put an end to the occupation, it will cease. Because Israel was never so dependent on the United States as it is now. Never. Not only economically, not only militarily but above all politically. Israel is totally isolated today, except for America.”

And this to go with it.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=55&x_article=1948

and this

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=6&x_article=1546

and this

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2007/11/post_32.html

A small glimpse into his many factual errors and contradictions.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012

November 4, 2012

Former Ha'aretz Editor Marmari Speaks Out on 'Apartheid' Poll Scandal



Hanoch Marmari, a former editor of Ha'aretz and, as of this week, the editor-in-chief The Seventh Eye, the prestigious Israeli journalism review widely read by Israeli journalists, yesterday published a column there detailing the multiple failures of Gideon Levy and his editors with respect to the publication of the "apartheid" poll article, as well as the subsequent paltry clarification. CAMERA has translated the relevant portion of the column, and notes that, in contrast to Marmari, publisher Amos Schocken and current editor-in-chief Aluf Benn have yet to address the journalistic calamity and to explain to readers what steps they will take to ensure that such gross failures in editorial oversight do not recur.


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Ha'aretz is a newspaper whose ideological positions, as articulated in the editorials, are for the most part clear and unwavering. The paper's minimal, terse and evasive clarification regarding the portrayal of the apartheid poll with the front-page headline (Oct. 23, 2012) was striking. The wording of the page-one headline "did not accurately reflect the findings of the Dialog poll," the clarification stated, but that wording accurately reflected those who were responsible for the failure. It's not the wording that is responsible, but rather those who wrote it. The newspaper's evasion of responsibility for the journalistic calamity has only fanned the flames, rather than extinguish them.

Terse clarifications are a legitimate tool available to newspaper editors. Restraint and evasiveness are sometimes necessary protective mechanisms in light of pressures compelling newspapers to retract factually correct items. But in this case, these tools are not put to use to defend against powerful, threatening forces, but to cover up for a multi-system error.

Ha'aretz's article involves four failures, three of them are readily apparent: The newspaper received and negligently published an ideologically driven poll, without investigating it in depth and without providing journalistic analysis and qualifications regarding its essential shortcomings (one brief line buried in the article mention the pollster's note that probably the term "apartheid" was not sufficiently understood by many of the respondents, a substantial point which itself warranted greater attention, and which likely was enough to invalidate the entire poll). The wording of the erroneous page-one headline did not properly represent the poll. The decision to place the skewed poll on the front-page was also wrong and is likely to critically harm readers' trust which is dependent on the paper's publication of quality and important news.

The fourth failure, which will shortly become clear, provides a worrying look at the journalistic outlook that stood behind the editors' decision to publish the poll. One of those who commissioned the poll, Dr. Amiram Goldblum, who spoke with Ha'aretz and was quoted in the article (Oct. 23, 2012), openly states what most poll initiators would be very wary of saying. Goldblum, a self-declared political activist, announced that the poll was commissioned in order to advance his agenda: "We need to work quickly, before the danger of apartheid irreversibly takes over." In response to the claim that the poll was commissioned by leftists, he responds: "So let the right do its own poll to refute the results."

Goldblum's modus operandi was successful perhaps beyond his own dreams. Ha'aretz, which many consider a reliable and respected newspaper, swallowed the bait whole and gave the poll the maximum exposure. The fact that Ha'aretz gave the poll's findings front-page coverage generated widespread coverage, and hundreds of credible and respected newspapers around the world hurried to quote the prominent headline, as Google News demonstrates. Who in the world is not for the eradication of apartheid?

As if all that was not enough, then there's Gideon Levy, who rarely pens page-one stories, though he authored the story about the poll and its significance (Oct. 23, 2012), and then closed the circle of failure in an overheated Op-Ed (Ha'aretz, Oct. 29, 2012). Under the headline "Errors and omissions excepted" [CAMERA note: this is Ha'aretz's English headline], Levy contempuously lashes out against the evidence that surfaced with the wave of criticism directed at Ha'aretz in the wake of the mishandled article. Mistakes were made, he begins, "They shouldn't have happened; we must acknowledge them, apologize for them and fix them. They were not made intentionally, but as a result of neglect due to time pressure . . . "

Time pressure? Had editors bothered to first examine the poll, a one-day postponement of publication would have enabled them to act with the necessary clarity needed to decide on the manner of publication, if any, given the quality of the information. Even if Ha'aretz would have lost its scoop. It's difficult for me to imagine any media outlet that would have stolen it out from under them, but even if there were, Ha'aretz has always enjoyed the advantage of presenting complex information in a reliable, erudite, and enlightening manner.

"The routine excoriation took off," Levy hits back. "The mirror reflects an unsightly image? Let's smash it. The messenger stumbles? Let's slander him, and to hell with everything else described in his article, even discounting the mistake. This is what propagandists always do."

Levy concludes his column by distancing himself from the poll upon which he relied -- and essentially disavows polls in general -- and suggests a new methodology to those who seek to gauge the situation according to their whims; a methodology which, in practice, is identical to Goldblum's. The reality, in Goldblum's and Levy's method, is pre-determined according to the outlook of the interpreter, so that the poll’s methodology is irrelevant. Those who disagree with his world outlook, according to Levy, are required to supply the proof. "Herein lies a challenge for those who are not bothered by the results of the survey but are horrified by the errors made in reporting it," he concludes. "Bring us another reliable poll that proves Israeli society is not as racist and nationalistic as depicted in this survey."

Like Amiram Goldblum, Levy, in his column, projects the view "don't confuse me with the facts." Information that is correct, erroneous, skewed or out of context? What's important is that the poll is formulated in such a way that the responses conform with the pollster's agenda and supply a headline that resonates. Goldblum, as a political activist, can be satisfied with the proportion between his investment and the ensuing publicity. But a journalist who is in possession of faulty information and who immediately declares that it depicts the general picture and then invites his critics to prove otherwise? He is no longer a journalist.

More than a few journalists these days are considering running for the Knesset. It is a pity that Gideon Levy, a man who rejoices in every challenge, is not among them. He could be a fabulous parliamentarian, in terms of his enthusiasm and commitment to his cause. It's easy to imagine him pontificating on the Knesset podium, lashing out against the plethora of phenomena threatening Israeli society. As someone who is "horrified" by the expected crash of the journalistic establishment, I imagine MK Gideon Levy criss-crossing the country and battling, with polls and without, with the rotten fruits of the occupation -- an entirely worthy effort. Unfortunately, though, with his column, Levy has relinquished his journalist credentials.

These are a few of many examples. You can say these are biased. But they do provide factual evidence to prove his claims wrong. And contradictions among his claims from one to the other.

Whenever this man realises his errors he pulls a 180.

This is not to say, however, that none of his points are correct.
 
EVOX09... you've referred to "human shield" 20 times in the last week or so. Gratz on war propaganda propagation award.

propaganda.jpg
 
And this to go with it.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=55&x_article=1948

and this

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=6&x_article=1546

and this

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2007/11/post_32.html

A small glimpse into his many factual errors and contradictions.



These are a few of many examples. You can say these are biased. But they do provide factual evidence to prove his claims wrong. And contradictions among his claims from one to the other.

Whenever this man realises his errors he pulls a 180.

This is not to say, however, that none of his points are correct.


WOW... U just copy pasta'ed the most biased pro-israel propaganda out there lol

Take a look at what people (all jews LOL have to say about CAMERA)

What people are saying about CAMERA

“We all know that CAMERA's mission is important not only for the Jewish community, but also for the integrity and vitality of American democracy. It is not just on one occasion that I wished there were an Israeli branch of CAMERA.”
– Democracy activist and Knesset member Natan Sharansky

“The answer to false speech is not censorship but more true speech. The answer to half-truth is full-truth. The only people who should and do fear CAMERA are those who should and do fear the truth. ... [T]he First Amendment was not erected to help the media but to help the people.”
– Harvard law professor and civil libertarian Alan Dershowitz

“Media misrepresentation of events in the Middle East poses an immediate danger to Israel's security ... and the only way to curb such reporting abuses is to shine the spotlight of public attention on them. CAMERA has the courage to effectively challenge the media to step up to its responsibility to report fairly and accurately.”
– Congressman Tom Lantos

“There is ... one source you can rely on when it comes to keeping track of news stories on the Middle East — CAMERA — Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America.”
– Mayor Ed Koch

“Thanks to CAMERA, and now the Toronto Star’s feature about the [purported Moshe Ya'alon] quote, we know it’s fake.”
– Columbia Journalism Review columnist and media critic Craig Silverman

“The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) provides in-depth analyses of selected media pieces to expose and correct falsehoods and to educate editors and journalists to prevent such shoddy reporting in the first place.”
– U.S. delegate to the OSCE Conference on Anti-Semitism and Other Forms of Intolerance Sander Berger

“It is not the sort of problem that can be fixed with broad brush strokes, but rather is a situation in which the worth of organizations like the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America is apparent.”
– Former Boston Globe Correspondent Charles A. Radin


NICE WORK LOL
If it's on the internet on a crappy made website i might add... it must be legit !!! :p
 
EVOX09... you've referred to "human shield" 20 times in the last week or so. Gratz on war propaganda propagation award.

propaganda.jpg

All the ignorant people arguing including yourself either suppor the use of human shielding or ignore it to push youre ignorant hate filled agenda. While making examples directly contrary to the truth, some of which pertain to human shielding.

You have yet to back up anything you accuse me of with facts, you have yet to prove anything i said incorrect, you are simply acting like a rampaging teenage girl whos response to everything she cant explain is "BECAUSE!" You are unwilling and unable to prove me wrong. My opinion is that you follow the parades but you dont care to examine and analyse the information.

This is not a debate over a song. When facts are presented more than once it does not make them any less true, ineffective and it does not make it unfashionable.
 
WOW... U just copy pasta'ed the most biased pro-israel propaganda out there lol

Take a look at what people (all jews LOL have to say about CAMERA)

What people are saying about CAMERA

“We all know that CAMERA's mission is important not only for the Jewish community, but also for the integrity and vitality of American democracy. It is not just on one occasion that I wished there were an Israeli branch of CAMERA.”
– Democracy activist and Knesset member Natan Sharansky

“The answer to false speech is not censorship but more true speech. The answer to half-truth is full-truth. The only people who should and do fear CAMERA are those who should and do fear the truth. ... [T]he First Amendment was not erected to help the media but to help the people.”
– Harvard law professor and civil libertarian Alan Dershowitz

“Media misrepresentation of events in the Middle East poses an immediate danger to Israel's security ... and the only way to curb such reporting abuses is to shine the spotlight of public attention on them. CAMERA has the courage to effectively challenge the media to step up to its responsibility to report fairly and accurately.”
– Congressman Tom Lantos

“There is ... one source you can rely on when it comes to keeping track of news stories on the Middle East — CAMERA — Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America.”
– Mayor Ed Koch

“Thanks to CAMERA, and now the Toronto Star’s feature about the [purported Moshe Ya'alon] quote, we know it’s fake.”
– Columbia Journalism Review columnist and media critic Craig Silverman

“The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) provides in-depth analyses of selected media pieces to expose and correct falsehoods and to educate editors and journalists to prevent such shoddy reporting in the first place.”
– U.S. delegate to the OSCE Conference on Anti-Semitism and Other Forms of Intolerance Sander Berger

“It is not the sort of problem that can be fixed with broad brush strokes, but rather is a situation in which the worth of organizations like the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America is apparent.”
– Former Boston Globe Correspondent Charles A. Radin


NICE WORK LOL
If it's on the internet on a crappy made website i might add... it must be legit !!! :p

Dont agree?

Cross reference and analyse the evidence they provide, and the examples of contradiction in levy's claims.

Facts are facts, they are recorded. Numbers are numbers. He has difficulty with both. He contradicts many of his own statements and conclusions and mis represents the facts, even sometimes his own. While sometimes making diametrically opposed statements.

I do agree with many of his opinions on Netenyahu though, "many, not all". Especially regarding his role in the peace process.
 
He used to go into occupied territories once a week 1st hand son.. a jewish journalist hated by his own people for reporting on this disgusting genocide you call a war.
 
He used to go into occupied territories once a week 1st hand son.. a jewish journalist hated by his own people for reporting on this disgusting genocide you call a war.

So did many other journalist from accross the world. All with different agendas, and different sources of income. He is not wrong with some of his statements, but he mis represents many. By a large margin, and on occasion, invents a few things here and there. You can disprove a few things he says off the bat by taking a simple glance at the map, and that is one of the most basic problem. Playing on the ignorance of others.

He urged the west on many occassions to give hamas a chance, and on many occasions actually shows support for them. Ignoring overwhelming amounts of evidence contrary to what he says. Sometimes the evidence even drove by him.

For example there are many reporters writing articles about how the militants have no place BUT peoples houses to fire rockets from, mentioning the fact that gaza is among the most densely populated areas of the world. What they do not mention is the heavily urban bias dispersion of the land, or the fact that it is mostly rural, not demographically, but geographically.

Watch hamas's tv channel, they explain how they do it.
 
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