Mozilla says 25 major car brands collect and share deeply personal data

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Pretty wild.

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/b...rd-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/

Is it surprising? Nope. But I will say I never really gave much thought to it never being VERBALLY disclosed to the customer on a new vehicle delivery with regards to the data collection I might be subjecting myself to. Apparently you can opt out of most of it, but then you actually lose some functionality on the vehicle services offered. And in order to opt out, its a combination of logging into a website, downloading the manufacturer's app, and directly through the infotainment system.

Nissan is apparently the worst offender. Mozilla says they collect AND SELL:

"Name, email address, phone number, mailing address, geolocation, zip code, age, date of birth, driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information, social security number as an employee, service or warranty information regarding vehicles, employment and related information, such as employee identification number National or State Identification Numbers, and dependent information for the administration of certain employee benefits or programs.. Also: Inferences drawn from any Personal Data collected to create a profile about a consumer reflecting the consumer’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes Vehicle- and driving-related information: the vehicle’s operation including, without limitation, Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), geolocation and navigation information, speed and distance information, driving habit and style, battery use management information (for electric vehicles), battery charging history (for electric vehicles), battery deterioration information (for electric vehicles), electrical system functions, diagnostic trouble codes, maintenance conditions, software version information, and other data, your use of the vehicle and any corresponding services, websites and smartphone applications, vehicle status information (e.g., information about door locks, open doors, engine status, etc.), data about accidents involving the vehicle (e.g., the direction from which the vehicle was hit, and which air bags have deployed)."

LOL WHAT?
 
It's no surprise many manufacturers pushed so hard to install "wi-fi hotspots" in cars. No one cared for the feature per se but it was a trojan horse to get modems into cars and get a lot of data.
 
I'd rather add 6l of oil between each maintenance, blow 5 engines and go 11 times a year to the dealer then to give my personnal data.
 
I'd rather add 6l of oil between each maintenance, blow 5 engines and go 11 times a year to the dealer then to give my personnal data.
Typical response incoming ....

Bouhouhou everyone does it , what you got to hide, are you a criminal or somthing yaddda yadda yadda.

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Typical response incoming ....

Bouhouhou everyone does it , what you got to hide, are you a criminal or somthing yaddda yadda yadda.

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Missing the point. These billion dollar companies that sell you a product that you have to finance over many years because of the sheer cost, are making additional money off you without your "actual" consent. I say actual because its all opt out data collection that is never explicitly explained to the end user.

As privately owned vehicles use sensors to become increasingly connected to each other and to external infrastructure, a massive amount of data is being generated. Yet while gathering such data is now routine, actually identifying insights that can be monetized is still in its nascent stages. Our new report, Monetizing car data: New service business opportunities to create new customer benefits, analyzes consumer perspectives on the prospect of accessing car-generated data, and identifies and assesses the value and requirements of possible car data-enabled use cases. We find that the global revenue pool from car data monetization could be as high as $750 billion by 2030—and our report sheds light on how industry players can quickly build and test car data-driven products and services and develop new business models around that.

Report: https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...s/monetizing car data/monetizing-car-data.pdf

Additionally, this data will be weaponized by the insurance companies and governments to limit our freedoms on the road.

Being ambivalent about the collection of your data because you have nothing to hide is exactly what the big money wants.
 
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I am totally against this, but it's not surprising in the least, and I feel it should be an easily locatable toggle to deactivate ALL data collection, but it won't be. I wonder how much money companies make off each person's data over the lifetime of the vehicle, how will they deal with 2nd, 3rd, 4th owners?
 
How is it getting immigration status and sexual activity. That’s a bit far fetched


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How is it getting immigration status and sexual activity. That’s a bit far fetched


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Its not clear, but the manufacturers have included disclosure information in their privacy policies for exactly this type of data collection.
 
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C’est facile d’avoir des reponses juste avec les meta données. Tu as dit à ton assureur que tu consome 4 verres d’alcool par semaine. Les données de de l’appli de l’assureur montre que tu arrêtes à la saq deux fois par semaine avant de rentrer à la maison et que le jeudi et dimanche tu passe 3 heures au bar de cartier. 1+1
 
"25 major car brands"

y'a plus que 25 major car brands?
Si y'en a plus que 25, quelles major car brands collectent pas de données?
 
Du moment ou que vous possédez un téléphone intelligent, vos conversations, déplacement, contacts, album photo etc...Tout est accessible à Google, Microsoft, Apple. Sans oubliez les applications douteuses comme Tiktok. C'est pas un problème en tant que tel, c'est plutôt le risque de fuite de données personnelles de ces sociétés et celles qui s'occupent de gérer ces données sensibles.
 
Du moment ou que vous possédez un téléphone intelligent, vos conversations, déplacement, contacts, album photo etc...Tout est accessible à Google, Microsoft, Apple. Sans oubliez les applications douteuses comme Tiktok. C'est pas un problème en tant que tel, c'est plutôt le risque de fuite de données personnelles de ces sociétés et celles qui s'occupent de gérer ces données sensibles.

But that's the business model of these tech companies making these devices- they are in the data collection/ad revenue/software business. It is known to the end user, and if privacy is paramount there are options available without stripping your phone of some of its basic functionality.

Car companies sell cars. And they aren't even subsidizing the cost of the car in exchange for your "unsolicited" data. They are double dipping. Want my data? Pay me for it by reducing the cost of the car.
 
Car companies sell cars. And they aren't even subsidizing the cost of the car in exchange for your "unsolicited" data. They are double dipping. Want my data? Pay me for it by reducing the cost of the car.

Most kind of do, though. Not so much from a hardware but from a service perspective. You don't need to pay for the car's mobile connectivity as an add on to your cellphone plan.

In most cases, the original owner gets the convenience of remote unlock/ start, location through an app for these new cars. Others will also include navigation with live traffic update.
 
J'hais ça les char pleins de techno. C'est toute des patentes qui vont donner du trouble sur le long terme anyway.
Alors je vais rester avec mes vieux bazous de 20ans qui sont les derniers VRAIS chars anyways...

Le futur sucks
 
People keep talking about “omg this tech is going to break” meanwhile most of it has been around for a decade and is rather reliable… but yes it’s going to break any day now…




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J'hais ça les char pleins de techno. C'est toute des patentes qui vont donner du trouble sur le long terme anyway.
Alors je vais rester avec mes vieux bazous de 20ans qui sont les derniers VRAIS chars anyways...

Le futur sucks

Ton futur est en Afrique.

Tu vas pouvoir rouler ta corolla 1996 SD jusqu'à ta mort (entre aujourd'hui pis 2089)
 
C’est facile d’avoir des reponses juste avec les meta données. Tu as dit à ton assureur que tu consome 4 verres d’alcool par semaine. Les données de de l’appli de l’assureur montre que tu arrêtes à la saq deux fois par semaine avant de rentrer à la maison et que le jeudi et dimanche tu passe 3 heures au bar de cartier. 1+1

Mais ça ne prouve absolument rien et ça ne peut pas être utilisé pour ou contre toi.
 
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