Tesla 3/Y major price drop

rebel said:
I m surprised ev car don’t have a reserve as in even if you reach 0% you should still be able to drive 20-30km to reach a recharge station

Many ICE cars, especially toyota/lexus you can drive down to 0 km range and still have 3-5 liters in the tank, it s a protection to ensure ppl dontget atranded on aaide of road
Idiotproof kinda thing
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There is a reserve buffer . The State of Charge displayed is often 4-6% off vs whats SOC BMS on the top end and low end.

To manage the reserve, the system will start limiting power output and electrical consumers (hvac for example) Engagement of “Turtle Mode” depends on manufacture fail safes with low pack voltage Example Tesla at 0% isn’t nearly as bad as Vinfast was. Even Ford in my experience isn’t that bad or Hyundai at low pack voltage.

Some EVs don’t like to be charged from 0% SOC BMS. You need to disconnect the 12v plug in, reconnect 12v and initiate the charge. GM for example. Ford will have a very long handshake time at low pack voltages. All EVs on cold, low voltage low SOC packs could encounter charging issues. This is what happened in Chicago last year, ride share drivers were showing up very low SOC, cold packs and failing to charge or unable to charge

I have software that can measure all this. Pack voltage, SOC BMS, cell temp, pack temp, charging etc
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android25ua said:
Tesla drives a good 10+kms at 0% soc.
That being said, gas or electric, driving on a low gas/low soc is just plain stupid. Inb4 « j’étais mal pris ».

Model Y LR was always at 300-330kms for me in winter, similar temps as now -8c to -12c
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You are starting to see mobile 50kw charging setups to rescue EVs. Although a tow truck would be cheaper.

I was speaking to another youtuber and we both agreed there is a point of speed/ keeping pack temp up vs driving slower doesn’t make any sense. Large reason why you see people going slower with EVs in the winter is trying to conserve range but you are better off maintaining a decent speed and charging when needed. Like how slowly do you drive….

Also any dual motor tesla will precondition quickly as it’s pulling off both motors. Rear drive takes forever

This would be an interesting test. Lower speed going further vs higher speed driving and charging. Ill go find a Model Y LR to do this. Only way to pull it off is with superchargers
 
I can say I express semi-conclusively tested that in the Y LR
I was completely unprepared and couldn't charge at an on-route (missing adapter)
So there I was at 11PM on the 401 with something like 2SOC, -10C outside, something like 5km range
looked up a supercharger, was 2 exits further.
accelerated and parked up behind a truck like 4ft distance
by the time I got to the supercharger I was back to 9km range lol
from then onwards I was hopping superchargers into Toronto, up north from Toronto and back, but moral of the story is I really did not feel the gain from coasting and hypermiling, vs just driving normally, 110-120kmh and charging when needed.
On one of the legs I was on B-roads, doing 80-90 behind trucks and the range was still around 330kms...
20C in cabin, no steering heater, no seat heater, one passenger
 
GregsterEV said:
There is a reserve buffer . The State of Charge displayed is often 4-6% off vs whats SOC BMS on the top end and low end.

To manage the reserve, the system will start limiting power output and electrical consumers (hvac for example) Engagement of “Turtle Mode” depends on manufacture fail safes with low pack voltage Example Tesla at 0% isn’t nearly as bad as Vinfast was. Even Ford in my experience isn’t that bad or Hyundai at low pack voltage.

Some EVs don’t like to be charged from 0% SOC BMS. You need to disconnect the 12v plug in, reconnect 12v and initiate the charge. GM for example. Ford will have a very long handshake time at low pack voltages. All EVs on cold, low voltage low SOC packs could encounter charging issues. This is what happened in Chicago last year, ride share drivers were showing up very low SOC, cold packs and failing to charge or unable to charge

I have software that can measure all this. Pack voltage, SOC BMS, cell temp, pack temp, charging etc
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makes sense.

a bit like trying to tender charge a dead 12v battery that's otherwise new.

it's reading 4-6volts whatever so the charger just tips out for safety/making sure what you're connected to is actually a battery and not a "short"
I couldn't charge a brand new battery on my motorcycle this summer, until I jump started it, drove around (alternator doesnt have brains :)) and then charged it with a plug in
 
rebel said:
I m surprised ev car don’t have a reserve as in even if you reach 0% you should still be able to drive 20-30km to reach a recharge station

Many ICE cars, especially toyota/lexus you can drive down to 0 km range and still have 3-5 liters in the tank, it s a protection to ensure ppl dontget atranded on aaide of road
Idiotproof kinda thing
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They do; my Mach-E has a buffer but they dont show it just like an ICE car
 
Québec vient d'annoncer aussi la fin du programme de subvention pour les bornes de recharge en même temps que la suspension du programme Roulez Vert
 
Jeremi01 said:
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Il faut vraiment être mauvais pour annoncer la fin du programme à 6 semaines d'avance, belle façon de se mettre quelques manufacturiers à dos.

Volkswagen ont 1900 ID4 qui devraient être remis en vente début janvier...ils vont avoir 2-3 semaines pour tout vendre.

Après ça ils vont continuer d'accumuler la poussière sur un temps quand il va seulement rester le 5000$ du fédéral.
 
RedLemon said:
Il faut vraiment être mauvais pour annoncer la fin du programme à 6 semaines d'avance, belle façon de se mettre quelques manufacturiers à dos.

Volkswagen ont 1900 ID4 qui devraient être remis en vente début janvier...ils vont avoir 2-3 semaines pour tout vendre.

Après ça ils vont continuer d'accumuler la poussière sur un temps quand il va seulement rester le 5000$ du fédéral.
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Federal may need a top up as well
 
RedLemon said:
Il faut vraiment être mauvais pour annoncer la fin du programme à 6 semaines d'avance, belle façon de se mettre quelques manufacturiers à dos.

Volkswagen ont 1900 ID4 qui devraient être remis en vente début janvier...ils vont avoir 2-3 semaines pour tout vendre.

Après ça ils vont continuer d'accumuler la poussière sur un temps quand il va seulement rester le 5000$ du fédéral.
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C'est suspendu jusqu'au prochain budget. Pour une fois que le gouvernement décide de ne pas dépasser l'enveloppe budgétaire d'un programme, le monde chiâle pareil.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
C'est suspendu jusqu'au prochain budget. Pour une fois que le gouvernement décide de ne pas dépasser l'enveloppe budgétaire d'un programme, le monde chiâle pareil.
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Comme les augmentations prévues depuis plusieurs mois pour plusieurs corps de métiers relevant du provincial...

Ils niaisent et ne paient pas les sommes promises... Ils tentent d'étirer ça jusqu'au 1er avril / budget 2025..

Envoyé de mon SM-S911W en utilisant Tapatalk
 
RedLemon said:
Il faut vraiment être mauvais pour annoncer la fin du programme à 6 semaines d'avance, belle façon de se mettre quelques manufacturiers à dos.

Volkswagen ont 1900 ID4 qui devraient être remis en vente début janvier...ils vont avoir 2-3 semaines pour tout vendre.

Après ça ils vont continuer d'accumuler la poussière sur un temps quand il va seulement rester le 5000$ du fédéral.
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I think, au contraire CA va pouser ceux qui etais pas sure a acheter live vs attendre....
 
Moins de subventions ça va favoriser plus de concurrence sur les prix au lieu de tout mettre à 54999$, et à un moment donné il va falloir sortir le bâton, pas juste la carotte.
 
Peak gas was 2017 94.6% of car sales. Today they are 73% and falling. To add more context, total # of new vehicles in Canada has remained fairly consistent since 2017 (excluding three COVID years) at around 1.9 million vehicles per year (Canada is a mature & stable auto market). So gas car declines are not from softer overall demand, they’re losing real market share.

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