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Tesla shares dive after Consumer Reports yanks recommendation for Model S

In a stunning reversal, the L.A. Times is reporting that Consumer Reports has withdrawn its recommendation for the Tesla Model S due to reliability issues. The rating agency has also given a “worse-than-average” rating for the predicted reliability of the Model S.As a result, Tesla stock is down more than 10% to $204 per share.

The rating change comes after Comsumer Reports surveys 1400 Model S owners and who reported an “array of detailed and complicated maladies” with the drivetrain, power equipment, charging equipment and giant iPad-like center console. They also complained about body and sunroof squeaks, rattles and leaks.

"As the older vehicles are getting up on miles, we are seeing some where the electric motor needs to be replaced and the onboard charging system won’t charge the battery,” explained Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports’ director of automotive testing. “On the newer vehicles, we are seeing problems such as the sunroof not operating properly. Door handles continue to be an issue.”
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Of course they will have problems they are new manufacturers and their cars are full of electronic gadgetry and wizardry. I always hated CR and the American consumer is not the savviest...
 
Its the first of many media hit pieces to drive their valuation down before Apple acquires them.
 
Everybody knows electric cars are the future and they will have to work out the kinks.. I was thinking about buying shares but last I checked the PE ratio was like 200..that`s simply out of this world
 
here's an interesting article on why Tesla is bound to fail eventually

http://bgr.com/2015/01/14/tesla-tsla-sales-market-data-model-s-d/

It’s actually quite simple, too. What Tesla has now, right now, this second, is an all-electric vehicle with a good infrastructure. And I’m not trying to pick a fight when I say what I’m about to say… but that’s it. Yes, I’m ignoring their beautiful 17-inch touchscreen in the middle of the car, and the engineering of said car, and everything else — but it’s for a reason.

Mercedes will make an all-electric or hydrogen car in the next 5 to 7 years, and it’s probably going to be game over for Tesla at that point. BMW will make one, Volkswagen will make one, Audi will make one, and so on. And those cars will be better designed, better manufactured, and better engineered than whatever Tesla is working on.

Tesla still has not figured out how to make a great car overall. What Tesla has done in just 7 short years is nothing short of astonishing, but they are not going to learn what took Mercedes 100 years to figure out in the next 2 years. Their cars still won’t be on the same level as Mercedes even 5 years from now.

The soul of Tesla is perfect. It’s everything else that concerns me, and is the reason why I ultimately couldn’t pull the trigger.

The fit and finish of a Tesla, especially a $140,000 Tesla, is quite frankly embarrassing. Panels with gaps, cheap plastic components, a decade-old Mercedes shifter, and none of the high-end amenities of luxury cars. The doors are, quite frankly, crap. The leather is medium grade at best. The seats are terrible (disclosure: I have not sat in the brand new Model S seats, though they are still one piece with no power-adjustable lumbar, etc).

When you’re driving a Tesla, it messes with your head because of the immediate power and only one gear of drive. Instant. Power. It’s like a magnetic roller coaster launch. But when you get over that, there is something missing, because it feels like you’re driving a go-kart. It feels like someone strapped bare bones onto an electric motor and said, off you go.

Tesla also has big problems with how they sell cars. Thankfully they don’t require a $5,000 refundable deposit to test drive one, because that was just insane. But you can’t just go to a dealership and buy a car. You have to order it. Sometimes Tesla can find you a car in production that someone might have cancelled, or something like that, but for the most part, you order the car and in 2 to 8 months, you get it.

That’s not how people want to buy a car.

There’s another huge problem — getting out of your existing car and into a Tesla. Right now, there are a few ways Tesla does this. One is they find out a quick wholesale price for your car, not unlike regular dealerships. The second is they recommend leasetrader.com or swapalease.com if your vehicle is leased. But again, more problems. Why?

Traditional dealerships make money two ways, front end and back end. They make money on selling the car for anything over invoice (what the dealership owns the car for), but then they make money back from the manufacturer on the back end.

That means they have way more money in the deal to play with. That means they can offer you more for your used car than Tesla can. That means you’re going to get a better deal pretty much anywhere else getting out of your existing car than with Tesla.

That’s a problem.

Let’s talk about instant gratification. At some point, Tesla is going to have to start having major inventory on the ground. Why? I don’t know… maybe it’s the fact that someone spending $80,000 or $120,000 wants their new car now? Sure it’s great to build, but a huge percentage of the cars bought in the U.S. are bought off the lot.

Don’t you maybe want to see that silver or dark gray or white color in person before you order your $110,000 vehicle? This isn’t the color of an iPhone you’re choosing.

Do you see where I am going? Tesla is going to have to start to become more like Mercedes or BMW, and they aren’t going to be able to do it faster than Mercedes or BMW can become Tesla.

The fit and finish, the ordering, the inventory, the trade-in, the differentiation — these are the problems I see with Tesla, and the reason why I ultimately did not buy a Model S. I hope Tesla succeeds because the competition is fantastic for everyone, and I don’t think they are going to disappear anytime soon, but these are my concerns with the company’s entire strategy.
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Peut importe ce qui se dit sur tesla, mon dépôt pour le model 3 sera donné en mars prochain. Cette compagnie est l'avenir de l'automobile et je suis tanné de payer du gaz.
 
DRS said:
Peut importe ce qui se dit sur tesla, mon dépôt pour le model 3 sera donné en mars prochain. Cette compagnie est l'avenir de l'automobile et je suis tanné de payer du gaz.
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This! Le jours qui sorte le pick-up jen aie un dans ma cours.

C drole de voir le monde basher sur tesla quand c'est eux les leader dun changement automobile.
 
D_Accord said:
Everybody knows electric cars are the future and they will have to work out the kinks.. I was thinking about buying shares but last I checked the PE ratio was like 200..that`s simply out of this world
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They're not profitable therefore they have no PE.
 
I think Apple will have a better solution through associations that will not require massive infrastructure investment and will give an edge over Tesla. That opinion is purely speculative, don't flame me.
 
Ce que l'article dit c'est que Tesla ont ni l'expérience ni le même budget/bagage de R&D des gros manufacturiers. Vous pouvez être sur que la journée ou Volks, Honda, bmw ou whatever décideront de sortir des véhicules électrique/hydrogène Tesla vont manger une claque.
 
I'm willing to bet that the people who say the the Tesla is a hype were the same as those who said the internet was "just a fad" in 1994...
 
DJD&G said:
Ce que l'article dit c'est que Tesla ont ni l'expérience ni le même budget/bagage de R&D des gros manufacturiers. Vous pouvez être sur que la journée ou Volks, Honda, bmw ou whatever décideront de sortir des véhicules électrique/hydrogène Tesla vont manger une claque.
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Les gros fabricant embarquerons jamais dans la voiture électrique. Les lobby du gaz sont trop puissant et il vont tjrs acheter les constructeurs. La différence avec Musk c'est qui n'est pas achetable.
 
BoxsterBoy said:
On va ressortir ta quote dans kek années.
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Entk il seront très loin de la compagnie Tesla quand ils vont décider de faire de la voiture électrique (vrai char à batterie) de toute façon rendu la je vais m'en calisser ma de avoir ma Model 3.

J'avais pas remarqué avoir écrit jamais. Pcq tout les constructeur actuel sont déjà sur l'électrique. Je voulais plus dire, 100% de leur production.
 
Hey guys remember the EV1 ?
Yeah well same thing will happen to tesla.

Btw the EV1 with the 3rd gen battery was able to reach a range of 160 miles or 257km. In 2002. And cost was 33k. So the 265 miles range of the tesla s, with the price tag of 110k welp hmmm, is very overpriced.


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