Ron Dennis is an arrogant bastard

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I know there is a separate thread ongoing about the spy saga, but I want to make this one about Ron Dennis. The penalty his so-called team received is a farce. Ron Dennis is an arrogant bastard that brought this on to himself. If F1 is the way it is today it's because of him. For people who followed F1 in the late 70's early 80's, Ron Dennis is the one that brought massive sponsorship to F1 and inflated the costs to where they are today. For him, this is not a sport but a major business. He never supported the small teams, and never did anything to help anyone out.

The penalty was not harsh enough, he deserves to be removed from function since he still claims they did nothing wrong. And the $100M fine is peanuts for Mclaren, they are heavily backed by Arab money and it's a joke!

Here is his comment on F1 Live:

Even without the offset McLaren are probably the one Formula One team that could cope with such a large penalty, but with it, Dennis is understandably confident that his company can emerge from the whole ordeal in a strong financial position.

"Firstly, we will effectively still have as an offset the revenue from the points earned to date," McLaren boss Dennis said. "That will effectively half the size of the cheque we have to sign, if we ultimately accept this fine.

"But, as you can see if you read our accounts, we turn over roughly 450-500 million dollars a year, and we are debt-free, so obviously we are a very strong company with phenomenal growth."
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Shame on you FIA for not penalizing the drivers. Which in reality is the only championship that really counts.

GO ALONSO, WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP AND TAKE THE # 1 STATUS WITH YOU TO ANOTHER TEAM!!!
 
I am glad they did not penalize the drivers.

ferrari ran with an illegal car and had no sanctions, no reason for them to win...
 
The FIA didn't penalize the drivers because the FIA asked them information from their emails about the spy case and they colaborated.
 
This has nothing to do with the illegal floor.
As for the drivers, irrespective of cooperating or not, they benefited from it.

F1 would be better off without arrogant figures such as Dennis and Ecclestone. They should also remove Mosley from power, this is the British mafia of motorsports.
 
Funny how no one complains when it's Ferrari who enjoys the competitive advantage :dunno:

VWSpeed said:
For him, this is not a sport but a major business.
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You're kidding yourself if you think F1 is not big business! Ferrari uses GP racing essentially as their sole marketing tool. How many cars do you think they'd sell without their F1 team? Why do you think major corporations like BMW, Mercedes, Renault, Toyota, etc. enter into the massive expense of running an F1 team? Obviously, it's because it's good for business.

You're kidding yourself if you think F1 is somehow a "pure sport" untainted by business interests. All high-profile forms of motorsports are big business...and F1 is the biggest of all.

VWSpeed said:
He never supported the small teams, and never did anything to help anyone out.
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Why should the owner of one of the largest, strongest, most profitable F1 team support any other teams? That makes no sense.

Emre
 
haha x2
pis oui sa a rapport avec le faux plancher de ferrari
cé drole comment sa arrange du monde des affaires de meme
 
Alosno should move his ass from McLaren! They'll be in trouble soon...! I think Eclestone doesn't like Dennis too much!
 
For what it's worth, I think Ron Dennis is one of the greatest man in F1 today.
 
They should put the movable floor back on the Ferrari.
Obviously the evidence exposing Ferrari was obtained illegally so they should keep that part even if it is illegal.

F1 should adopt the Harlem Globetrotters model of competition. Every race is won by Ferrari but the process looks kind of interesting. Wild spins, mechanical shenanigans, lots of hand waving. It would be fun.
 
MstrBlstr said:
They should put the movable floor back on the Ferrari.
Obviously the evidence exposing Ferrari was obtained illegally so they should keep that part even if it is illegal.

F1 should adopt the Harlem Globetrotters model of competition. Every race is won by Ferrari but the process looks kind of interesting. Wild spins, mechanical shenanigans, lots of hand waving. It would be fun.
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How about Mclaren wins the WDC regardless of wrongdoings... globetrotters style indeed :p
 
Mercedes Uber alles.

I dont know much about F1, but i love seeing Mercedes beat Ferrari
 
Even Alain Prost (4 time WC) admits that the drivers should have been penalized. Alonso knew since March 2007, what a coincidence just when Ferrari started there down hill trend.

Ferrari does not need F1 to sell their road cars. Just the name will sell. Just like Porsche, they are not in F1 yet they sold well over 100,000 911's since the launch of their latest model.

When you have heritage you do not need F1. Ferrari do it for the passion, just look at the following they have. The Tifosi. Just like the habs, they don't make the playoffs but yet have a full Bell Centre every game they play. That is passion.

Wherease, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, is plain money...
 
VWSpeed said:
Ferrari does not need F1 to sell their road cars. Just the name will sell. Just like Porsche, they are not in F1 yet they sold well over 100,000 911's since the launch of their latest model.

When you have heritage you do not need F1. Ferrari do it for the passion, just look at the following they have. The Tifosi. Just like the habs, they don't make the playoffs but yet have a full Bell Centre every game they play. That is passion.
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Ferrari without F1 would be another Lamborghini - a sports car without a racing heritage and pedigree. Not so good, only adequate. They would sell, but they would not generate the passion they enjoys now.

And Porsche may not be in F1, but they run (an usually win) in every GT race series there is. Porsche never was about F1 (although they won the world championship with McLaren in 1984), but rather about endurance racing - they still pretty much own the Lemans record book.
 
Big Pat said:
Ferrari without F1 would be another Lamborghini - a sports car without a racing heritage and pedigree. Not so good, only adequate. They would sell, but they would not generate the passion they enjoys now.

And Porsche may not be in F1, but they run (an usually win) in every GT race series there is. Porsche never was about F1 (although they won the world championship with McLaren in 1984), but rather about endurance racing - they still pretty much own the Lemans record book.
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Ferrari made their name in Sports Car racing as well in the 50's and 60's. The legendary TestaRossa, GTO, P3/P4, etc... They are also in the Le Mans series and that is some of the best racing on TV right now.

F1 as a lot to lose if Ferrari decides to call it quits. Ferrari cars would not sell any less if they were not in F1. You can't even compare Lamborghini and Ferrari.
 
VWSpeed said:
Ferrari made their name in Sports Car racing as well in the 50's and 60's. The legendary TestaRossa, GTO, P3/P4, etc... They are also in the Le Mans series and that is some of the best racing on TV right now.

F1 as a lot to lose if Ferrari decides to call it quits. Ferrari cars would not sell any less if they were not in F1. You can't even compare Lamborghini and Ferrari.
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Jaguar was Ferrari's main rival in the 50s and early 60s (they handed Ferrari and MB their ass more than once). But then they quit racing almost altogether. I know, they were in F1 for a few years, and Lemans and touring cars for a little while in the 80s, but nothing serious and systematic like Ferrari.

Look what happened to Jaguar, image-wise... ;)

A glorious past in racing can only last for so long. MB is another good example - they were everywhere in the 50s, but they stopped racing. Their image went from sporting to mundane - good cars, but for an older crowd. Then, they went back to racing big time in the 80s - their image now is much more universal. Several young people want MBs now, it wasn't the case in the 70s and early 80s.
 
Big Pat said:
Jaguar was Ferrari's main rival in the 50s and early 60s (they handed Ferrari and MB their ass more than once). But then they quit racing almost altogether. I know, they were in F1 for a few years, and Lemans and touring cars for a little while in the 80s, but nothing serious and systematic like Ferrari.

Look what happened to Jaguar, image-wise... ;)

A glorious past in racing can only last for so long. MB is another good example - they were everywhere in the 50s, but they stopped racing. Their image went from sporting to mundane - good cars, but for an older crowd. Then, they went back to racing big time in the 80s - their image now is much more universal. Several young people want MBs now, it wasn't the case in the 70s and early 80s.
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Ferrari have been involved in motor racing throughout their existence, and they mainly made their name with privateers such as Ecurie Francorchamps, Ferrari North America, Charles Pozzi, etc... Granted F1 is their biggest investment today, but there is the Ferrari Challenge, LeMans, they raced IMSA, sports car racing...and they will not stop tomorrow morning.

Jaguar, that is their own demise. The last exciting car they built was the E Type. Sold themselves to Ford and the rest is history.
 
VWSpeed said:
Ferrari does not need F1 to sell their road cars. Just the name will sell. Just like Porsche, they are not in F1 yet they sold well over 100,000 911's since the launch of their latest model.
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That's what you think! No way people would be lining up for $250,000+ Ferrari road cars if it weren't for the F1 connection.

It's true that back in the old days, Ferrari road cars were built and sold to subsidize the Ferrari Grand Prix effort. But that was a LONG time ago! Make no mistake, Ferrari is an auto manufacturer first and a race team second...just like BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, and Renault. The F1 effort brings customers to their showrooms to buy cars...and that's how Ferrari makes their money. No different than any other auto manufacturer.

If you believe any different, then I guess the Ferrari P.R. machine really works. You seem to have bought into the hype hook, line, and sinker.


VWSpeed said:
When you have heritage you do not need F1. Ferrari do it for the passion, just look at the following they have.
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Heritage only goes so far. Besides, lots and lots of manufacturers had a race heritage...50 years ago. Heritage can only carry you so far if you don't keep it up.


Big Pat said:
Ferrari without F1 would be another Lamborghini - a sports car without a racing heritage and pedigree. Not so good, only adequate. They would sell, but they would not generate the passion they enjoys now.
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Exactly. Ferrari without the F1 mystique would be another Lambo.

Emre
 
VWSpeed said:
Ferrari have been involved in motor racing throughout their existence, and they mainly made their name with privateers
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Join the club. The same can be said of Porsche, BMW, Lotus, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, and others.

The fact that the company is involved in racing doesn't mean that they're a race team first and an auto manufacturer second. Selling cars makes money. And success racing helps sell cars.

Emre
 
LanEvo said:
Join the club. The same can be said of Porsche, BMW, Lotus, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, and others.

The fact that the company is involved in racing doesn't mean that they're a race team first and an auto manufacturer second. Selling cars makes money. And success racing helps sell cars.

Emre
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Ferrari was a race team before they were a manufacturer. Enzo Ferrari is the one that made the phrase "race on Sunday sell on Monday".

Enzo started the Scuderia Ferrari racing modified Alfa Romeos. It was only in 1947 that he started designing is own race cars. Eventually, started building road cars to sell to the general public.

The only other two figures that comes close to Enzo are Dr. Ferdinand Porsche and Colin Chapman.

Even when Ferrari suffered for 20-years without a Championship win in F1, not once did their road cars not sell. Even when they built shitty cars such as the 328/Mondial, they were having record sales. Enzo Ferrari was savvy, he built an aura around the Ferrari make and that is why people want them.

Owning a BMW, Mercedez, Audi, is nothing special. Anyone can walk in and lease one. But when you own a Ferrari, it's a different ball game (provided you drive it like it's meant to be driven).
 
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