Le Canada achète 65 avions de chasse furtifs F-35

Le F-35 est quand même un avion de 5e génération (le F-18 est de 4e), furtif et à décollage vertical en plus. Faut bien se mettre à jour à un moment donné.

Pour ceux qui chiale encore contre les dépenses militaires, aviez-vous des parents dans l'armée polonaise à la fin 1939 par hasard ? ;) On connais le résultat :p
 
Teg97RS said:
Le F-35 est quand même un avion de 5e génération (le F-18 est de 4e), furtif et à décollage vertical en plus. Faut bien se mettre à jour à un moment donné.

Pour ceux qui chiale encore contre les dépenses militaires, aviez-vous des parents dans l'armée polonaise à la fin 1939 par hasard ? ;) On connais le résultat :p
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I don't like the way you think..Who do you think is going to invade Canada? The USA, and even if they tried, you want us to use their machinery to defend ourselves. Besides get us OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. Canada is a peaceful country.
 
Camry90 said:
why not the "euro-fighter"? cheaper?
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Parts commonality with the americans is much more important than with euro nations.

If we have to defend we are next to the US and we rarely sent troops anywhere without US forces...
 
od_man99 said:
I don't like the way you think..Who do you think is going to invade Canada? The USA, and even if they tried, you want us to use their machinery to defend ourselves. Besides get us OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. Canada is a peaceful country.
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Même la Suisse et la Suède a une armée. Tu peux pas adopter une mentalité de ''ça n'arrivera jamais'' sinon t'es un faible.
 
Teg97RS said:
Le F-35 est quand même un avion de 5e génération (le F-18 est de 4e), furtif et à décollage vertical en plus. Faut bien se mettre à jour à un moment donné.

En passant ils ont pas pris l'option de décoller a la verticale.....
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od_man99 said:
I don't like the way you think..Who do you think is going to invade Canada? The USA, and even if they tried, you want us to use their machinery to defend ourselves. Besides get us OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. Canada is a peaceful country.
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US, Russia, Denmark, Finland, Canada all claim the North Pole. And we are the weakest, militarily-speaking.

Presently the north pole is in international waters. yet all 5 countries make argument that the north pole belongs to them.

with the amount of resources in the area, its might be enough to go war for.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,579265,00.html
 
STOL/VTOL equipped F-35s are useless for us.

The F-18 E SuperHornet is actually a gen 4.5 fighter minus the stealth technology that F-35s have. The F18 avionics are virtually the same. One can say that Russian fighters are cheaper but what about upgrading them to be used here.. the same for the Euro Fighter. Yes the C17s Globemaster IIIs were an excellent purchase along with the new C130Js

Also with 65 fighters we are downgrading from the current 80 flyable aircraft we have. I rather have quantity in an airforce. We could have bought 3x as many SuperHornets for the price of the 65 F-35s, that would rattle some cages. " Canada places order for 192 F18E SuperHornets". While the single engine is not a big deal on modern turbofan the fact of the matter remains that 65 aircraft is not enough to fill our squadrons . The original order back in the 80s for the CF-18 was around 140 airframes.
 
didn't read to see if it was mentioned, but it's 9 billion over like the next 20 years and foctors in repairs and maintenanace.


we are a country....not one guy, 9 billion is nothing over that timespan. R-lax bros.

our planes are so damn old.
 
The airframes are old but the avionics, engines and other elements aren't. What is really costing money in the CF-18 program is maintenance. Older airframes need more attention.
 
new f18s to replace our rusty cf-18s would be a better option logically and economically. I love the f35 (not so much the watered down base model) but im actually hoping this deal never makes it through parliament
 
od_man99 said:
Who do you think is going to invade Canada?
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Aucune idée. Tu aurais pu poser la même question aux USA avant Perl Harbor et tu aurais eu la même réponse.

od_man99 said:
Canada is a peaceful country.
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Et ça veut dire qu'on ne doit pas prendre les mesures nécessaires pour assurer notre souveraineté sur notre territoire ou bien participer à des exercices extra-territoriaux ? :rolleyes:

rusta said:
En passant ils ont pas pris l'option de décoller a la verticale.....
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T'es sérieux ? fait chier :(
 
firelephant said:
Premièrement, l'appel d'offre n'était pas vraiment nécessaire puisque les seul concurant offrant une technologie similaire sont le boeing x-32 et le raptor f-22, mais puisque le x-32 est rester a l'état de prototype puisque'il n'a pas été choisit par le pentagone et que le coût unitaire du f-22 est de 140 millions US$, il n'e reste que le f-35. Un autre avion qui pourait avoir autant de potentiel qe le x-35 est le Sukhoi PAK FA russe, mais il est encore en dévelopement et ne devrait donc pas être opérationnel, il faudra attendre au moins 5 à 10 ans avant sa mise en service et sa commercialisation à l'export, sans oublier que la production totale ne sera que de 1000 avions. Il a aussi une moins bonne capacité à être indétectable au radar que le f-35 ou le f-22.
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le f-22 peut importe son prix, les USA ont refusé de le vendre a qui que se soit..
 
Matt_mg said:
Parts commonality with the americans is much more important than with euro nations.

If we have to defend we are next to the US and we rarely sent troops anywhere without US forces...
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It is more complex than the average public understands.

It is all about politics, lobbying, kick backs, job creation and government investment already wasted into the F-35 project.
 
Gregster said:
STOL/VTOL equipped F-35s are useless for us.

The F-18 E SuperHornet is actually a gen 4.5 fighter minus the stealth technology that F-35s have. The F18 avionics are virtually the same. One can say that Russian fighters are cheaper but what about upgrading them to be used here.. the same for the Euro Fighter. Yes the C17s Globemaster IIIs were an excellent purchase along with the new C130Js

Also with 65 fighters we are downgrading from the current 80 flyable aircraft we have. I rather have quantity in an airforce. We could have bought 3x as many SuperHornets for the price of the 65 F-35s, that would rattle some cages. " Canada places order for 192 F18E SuperHornets". While the single engine is not a big deal on modern turbofan the fact of the matter remains that 65 aircraft is not enough to fill our squadrons . The original order back in the 80s for the CF-18 was around 140 airframes.
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We have some many young talented pilots flying a desk rather than planes because of lack of serviceable aircrafts and they have to wait their rotation to fly them and many get pissed off and just leave the CF and this is precisely why the CF lacks pilots ! I know too many friends who left by 30 to fly for airlines just because of lack of air time. The original 138 CF-18s purchased by the Trudeau government in 1976 was made for the simple reason as Trudeau put it "a twin engine plane that cost less than a single engine F-16 was a no brainer" ! 138, 22 as 2 seat trainers, now down to 80 or so means 36 or so planes are being cannibalized for parts.

Now if Canada is really an aviation giant like we say we are, I say we should ditch the Americans and start-up our own plane like in the glory days which would attract new talent, create jobs and national pride in the same breath !

An all Canadian designed and produced fighter aircraft
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlrfGx4ncgI&feature=related"]YouTube- A Part of Our Heritage - Avro Arrow[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJbmOF3WxZw"]YouTube- Canadian Forces Air Command March[/ame]

The only all Canadian design and built fighter ever to go into production - the CF-100 Canuck
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvVJStQSFKc"]YouTube- Avro CF-100 Canuck Part 1[/ame]
 
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Matt_mg said:
No, we are the center of aviation cheap labor. Bell helicopter is american and bombardier is barely getting by with government bailout after bailout.

We are simply one of the cheapest NATO countries to manufacture in.
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Yes, we were ONCE a player in the aviation field with names like Canadair, DeHavilland and Avro.

Believe it or not Bombardier Aerospace ranks No. 3 in the world after Airbus and Boeing, but other foreign companies like Embraer of Brazil and ACAC of China are fast catching up for that title.
 
When they did the fly-by at this year's Grand Prix after the National Anthem I yelled "They sent all three of our planes! Our troops are DOOMED!" ... the guys from Baltimore sitting behind us were thoroughly amused.
 
EdT said:
Yes, we were ONCE a player in the aviation field with names like Canadair, DeHavilland and Avro.

Believe it or not Bombardier Aerospace ranks No. 3 in the world after Airbus and Boeing, but other foreign companies like Embraer of Brazil and ACAC of China are fast catching up for that title.
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we can thank deHavilland (britain) and Lear (USA) for making bombardier what it is today. The general aviation sector occupies the majority of air travel today but its commercial planes like the Cseries that will help get canada back on the map

i agree with the national pride but its wishfull thinking.. like matt mg said we are the center of cheap labour for the big corporations like GE, rolls royce, pratt, bell, messier, etc.. right here in montreal the aviation city of the world!

atleast we thave CAE for true canadian spirit, but their planes are bolted to the ground :doh:
 
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