Canada's largest Protestant church approves boycott of Israeli settlement products

why hang on to the golan heights ?

Well i already stated above the israelis offered the land back to syria in exchange for peace, which the Syrians rejected because of the khartoum resolution. So the israelis had to hold on to it because of the geographics of the region and ill explain why.

Forget for a minute that there are jews, muslims syrians, whoever is involved, and think from a strategic military stand point.

Now Syria borders northern israel, a very narrow section of the country, and the golan heights are the highest mountains if you will, east of the galilee(northern israel) which is a very flat piece of land. From the perspective of the israeli army, post war, how can you give the high ground back to a nation that openly rejects a peace treaty, when the high ground is in range of some major population centers.

How do you defend Haifa, Acco and the northern cities which are all in range from the top of the golan heights, without a buffer zone or a peace agreement? Especially in tense times post war? You can't! This is why the golan heights could not be returned without peace.

To give you an idea, you can see the mediteranean sea from the golan heights.

Forget religion and think strategically, use your head and and some logic.



Now im sure you understand why the golan heights were a target during the 1967 war.

In terms of Syrian coast, Syria has hundreds of kilometers of beautiful coastline from Lebanon to Turkey?...





A quote as a reminder from my earlier text "90% of the land israel won through war since 1967 was returned to the respective countries, with the exception of the golan heights among others. Israel offered the land back to syria just a few days after the end of the war, in exchange for a peace agreement between the two nations. However, Syria REJECTED this offer in light of the Khartoum Resolution procured during the 1967 Arab League Summit, through which the syrians declared the famous 3 NOs. NO peace with israel, NO recognition of israel and NO negotiations with israel."
 
90% of the land israel won through war since 1967 was returned to the respective countries, with the exception of the golan heights among others. Israel offered the land back to syria just a few days after the end of the war, in exchange for a peace agreement between the two nations. However, Syria REJECTED this offer in light of the Khartoum Resolution procured during the 1967 Arab League Summit, through which the syrians declared the famous 3 NOs. NO peace with israel, NO recognition of israel and NO negotiations with israel.

THIS IS A MYTH. LOL I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THIS. Israel didn't spend huge amount of dollars on a war and years of planning and lose 1000 soldiers for a peace agreement. They never took the idea seriously of giving the land back for peace treaties. It was their rhetoric for international support because it couldn't have been more illegal. Look up "war of attrition with Egypt". Why was egypt bombing the bar lev line for 3 years? Isreal wasn't talking. They took Sinai, Golani and the West Bank and they cut off all communication with the arabs. Everything else is bull shit.

The reason why Isreal still has the Golan Heights and WILL NEVER GIVE IT BACK TO SYRIA is because of the Jordan River. Without it, Isrealis will have no water and dehydrate to death. It's their only source of drinking water.

They don't want to give back the west bank because of a geographic military advantage. Israel has a policy of battle readiness which means that 365 days a year, 24/7 they are ready to sustain a full frontal attack. It's how they guarantee the safety of their land. If the west bank isn't under their control, it takes exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes to drive from the border of the west bank to tel aviv. They can't ensure battle readiness with such a small distance. Even worse are air strikes. A jet could hover the border and then bomb tel aviv and back before they can scramble any jets to intercept.

When Israel controlled Sinai for 15 years, they looked for oil everywhere. Millions of dollars of exploration. You know that gulf between sinai and saudia arabia was closed land thousands of years ago? Most of Saudi oil is in the north west part of the country. Oil comes fome fossil fuels. Do the math.

Why the fuck would Isreal offer the lands back if it attacked first? They started the war in 1967. This is fact. Egypt had troops in the Sinai because the russians gave them false intelligence (Which the mossad had to do with) that Israel was going to attack. Then Israel used the deployement of troops in Sinai as a reason to attack.
 
logically, why doesnt the arab world acknoledge isreal ? the answer to that basically answers everything that has happened since what was it 1947 or somthing like that
 
THIS IS A MYTH. LOL I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THIS. Israel didn't spend huge amount of dollars on a war and years of planning and lose 1000 soldiers for a peace agreement. They never took the idea seriously of giving the land back for peace treaties. It was their rhetoric for international support because it couldn't have been more illegal. Look up "war of attrition with Egypt". Why was egypt bombing the bar lev line for 3 years? Isreal wasn't talking. They took Sinai, Golani and the West Bank and they cut off all communication with the arabs. Everything else is bull shit.

The reason why Isreal still has the Golan Heights and WILL NEVER GIVE IT BACK TO SYRIA is because of the Jordan River. Without it, Isrealis will have no water and dehydrate to death. It's their only source of drinking water.

They don't want to give back the west bank because of a geographic military advantage. Israel has a policy of battle readiness which means that 365 days a year, 24/7 they are ready to sustain a full frontal attack. It's how they guarantee the safety of their land. If the west bank isn't under their control, it takes exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes to drive from the border of the west bank to tel aviv. They can't ensure battle readiness with such a small distance. Even worse are air strikes. A jet could hover the border and then bomb tel aviv and back before they can scramble any jets to intercept.

When Israel controlled Sinai for 15 years, they looked for oil everywhere. Millions of dollars of exploration. You know that gulf between sinai and saudia arabia was closed land thousands of years ago? Most of Saudi oil is in the north west part of the country. Oil comes fome fossil fuels. Do the math.

Why the fuck would Isreal offer the lands back if it attacked first? They started the war in 1967. This is fact. Egypt had troops in the Sinai because the russians gave them false intelligence (Which the mossad had to do with) that Israel was going to attack. Then Israel used the deployement of troops in Sinai as a reason to attack.

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THIS IS A MYTH. LOL I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THIS. Israel didn't spend huge amount of dollars on a war and years of planning and lose 1000 soldiers for a peace agreement. They never took the idea seriously of giving the land back for peace treaties. It was their rhetoric for international support because it couldn't have been more illegal. Look up "war of attrition with Egypt". Why was egypt bombing the bar lev line for 3 years? Isreal wasn't talking. They took Sinai, Golani and the West Bank and they cut off all communication with the arabs. Everything else is bull shit.

I see that you get your information from very anti israel websites that are conveniently missing the facts, the golan heights were used from 1949-1967 to take pot shots at israeli population centers and the occassional sniper shot if anyone got close enough, be it an arab or jewish citizen. This is why the israelis near the golan heights used to sleep in bomb shelters, and the roads would have to be regularily inspected for mines. The syrians also allowed terrorist movement through the golan heights. read below for more details about the bar lev bombing. It might have something to do with egypt blockading all supply ships going to and from israel in the suez canal and egypt's acceptance fo a resolution the declared NO peace with israel, NO recognition of israel and NO negotiations with israel. The egyptian government formally declared that there only relations with israel will be through warfare. And lets not forget that following the first blockade of the suez canal in 1956, israel declared that a second blockade would be considered an act of war.

The reason why Isreal still has the Golan Heights and WILL NEVER GIVE IT BACK TO SYRIA is because of the Jordan River. Without it, Isrealis will have no water and dehydrate to death. It's their only source of drinking water.

23% of israel's water supply comes from the jordan river, not all of it.

They don't want to give back the west bank because of a geographic military advantage. Israel has a policy of battle readiness which means that 365 days a year, 24/7 they are ready to sustain a full frontal attack. It's how they guarantee the safety of their land. If the west bank isn't under their control, it takes exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes to drive from the border of the west bank to tel aviv. They can't ensure battle readiness with such a small distance. Even worse are air strikes. A jet could hover the border and then bomb tel aviv and back before they can scramble any jets to intercept.

And history has shown that given concession, an attack will ensue. Fortunately for israel, its arab neighbours seem to be more interested in mutilating their own population.

When Israel controlled Sinai for 15 years, they looked for oil everywhere. Millions of dollars of exploration. You know that gulf between sinai and saudia arabia was closed land thousands of years ago? Most of Saudi oil is in the north west part of the country. Oil comes fome fossil fuels. Do the math.

The egyptian government implemented a blockade on the israeli port of eilat in the 1956, not allowing passage of any ships to israel or from israel. Israel along with france and england took control of the sinai for a few months and withdrew following the implementation of (UNEF) which prevented military control of the sinai and blockading of ships to and from israel. In 1967 egypt re-instated its military presence in the Sinai, as well as the blockade of any ships to or from israel and ordered UNEF out of the sinai without security council approval, subsequently israel attacked egypt and jordan under military threat, initiating the 6 day war. Shortly after the 1973, as part of the sinai disengagement agreements, israel withdrew from the canal after egypt agreeing to allow shipments to and from israel, in 1979 egypt signed an agreement with israel to remove its present from the sinai in stages until 1982, all settlements were dissmantled. This is what actually happend, not an oil hunt.

Why the fuck would Isreal offer the lands back if it attacked first? They started the war in 1967. This is fact. Egypt had troops in the Sinai because the russians gave them false intelligence (Which the mossad had to do with) that Israel was going to attack. Then Israel used the deployement of troops in Sinai as a reason to attack.

Egypt made the first move in 1967 by blockading ships going to and from israel as a result of increased tensions between israel and syria as the syrian government was allowing terrorist organizations to pass freely through there border with israel despite the fact that Israel declared in 1957 that ayn closure of the straights would be considered an act of war, and as a result of massives amounts of propaganda from the governments of neighbouring arab countries toward the imminent destruction of israel through a united arab attack as (the public goal was the total destruction of israel) , the israeli government decided not to wait for the attack to come, and the nation to be destroyed, but rather to destroy the militaries, of it ennemies in 6 days, targeting only military installations.

And make no mistake, if israel had waited for an attack and lost the war, the arab governments would not have stopped at simply seizing the land, genocide is a very common practice in these countries.
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logically, why doesnt the arab world acknoledge isreal ? the answer to that basically answers everything that has happened since what was it 1947 or somthing like that

This is a great response skylox, while your at it, explain, logically of course, why does the arab world massacre massive amounts of their own populations, commit genocide, and mass cover ups, as well as promote hate in massive public spectacles that hitler an mousolini would be proud of? Is that from 1947 as well? no sunni vs shiite conflicts stem from before your hatred for israel, and muslim vs jew conflicts stem from the 7th century.

Just stop posting
 
Many people have been living in the area for thousands of years, many christians, many muslims, and many jews. I dont think you really understand the situation, the history of the region or the nature of the propaganda that you bought. Maybe visit israel and speak to the locals, see how they live.

For those who are interested:

Pre World War

youre text is pure propaganda, the brtish mandate of palestine was originally a shit sized hole of a couple of km's that was populized by british and german immigration programs before ww2. they never really dealt anything with the palestinians there except for buying land from palestians with all theyre holocoast doe $$$

when the 50'S came the jews started killing ppl there in all out night operation with guns and bombs and since the king of jordania did not care they got away with for a long time because the ppl that where being massacred had no country to be represented. there was no negotiation or kindness from 'israel ' , they just took what internatinal law did not care to protect
 
people don't hate israelis

israelis hate anybody who isn't israeli

look at the ethnic cleansing amongst Ashkenazi , oriental jews, arabs and now black migrants in israel.

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=281972

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-teenagers-Jerusalem-wouldnt-cigarette.html

Oh look, in England there is ethnic cleansing going on towards old white women with pentions

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191627/Delia-Hughes-murder-Great-grandmother-battered-death-home.html

And more horrific ethnic cleansing in america, by black teens towards mentally challenged asian ladies.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a8f_1344381705

I can make weak points as well.

Is that what you call ethnic cleansing? Every country has idiots, how many youtube videos have you seen of native kids beating up other kids for a stupid reason, or black people beating up white people and vice versa, how many news articles from every corner of north america about random race/religion related acts of violence.

Following your logic each and every race in canada and the states, hey why not, every country in the world, is undergoing a racial apartheid.

Go to israel and talk to people about an apartheid and they'll laugh, there are many cases of stoning by jews and muslims in the west bank for stupid religious reasons, the israeli army acts more as a policing force than anything in those areas. sunni fighting shiites, both fighting orthodox jews, orthodox jews hating on everyone who isnt like them. Like i said, the west bank is a cesspool, but there is no apartheid going on, and fyi, a large chunk of israeli soldiers in the west bank are arab, usually bedouins.
 
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Many people have been living in the area for thousands of years, many christians, many muslims, and many jews. I dont think you really understand the situation, the history of the region or the nature of the propaganda that you bought. Maybe visit israel and speak to the locals, see how they live.

For those who are interested:

Pre World War

youre text is pure propaganda, the brtish mandate of palestine was originally a shit sized hole of a couple of km's that was populized by british and german immigration programs before ww2. they never really dealt anything with the palestinians there except for buying land from palestians with all theyre holocoast doe $$$

when the 50'S came the jews started killing ppl there in all out night operation with guns and bombs and since the king of jordania did not care they got away with for a long time because the ppl that where being massacred had no country to be represented. there was no negotiation or kindness from 'israel ' , they just took what internatinal law did not care to protect


You seem like your a very intelligent guy, very well educated too. Dose dem der jews carrying out dem night operations on dose poor arabs sitting peacfully minding there own business. poor guys.
 
Im curious why you hate israel so much when you really dont know much about the region, like Syrians coast that was stolen by israel... waitwut lol?

do you agree with the boycot ? do you beleive whats going on in the region just ? answer thse 2 question without writing a freeking bible about . yes or no
 
^^ what ?

This guy is a bit special, he's trying to tell me that the jews commited genocide against jesus, im not sure if he knows what genocide means.

Anyways, to answer your questions:

Do i agree with the boycott?

Short answer: Yes

Long answer(bible):

Although a boycott is a noble idea, this practice is largely inneffective, and has proven on many occasions to simply be a waste of time, and an excuse for A: antisemitism, or B: Media attention. And I simply do not know what the real motivation of this church is, since 80% of the members did not want to get involved, which leads me to believe this is most likely a media stunt or an excuse for antisemitism as i said, not a genuine movement. Im just judging based on the numbers here as the church is known to cater to the masses, which is not the case.

Do i believe whats going on in the region is just?

Short answer: No

Explanation (long answer):

I dont think either party is entirely "just" in the west bank. In light of the fact that if there will ever be a two state solution, which i doubt will happen, it is detrimental to the peace for jews to settle in the west bank as it will be a palestinian part of the land, but only detrimental because mahmoud abbass made a public statement that he wants a palestine WITHOUT jews, which is, lets be honest here, an apartheid statement, although im sure the settlers know this, and are aware of what they are doing. If he really does want a state, he should accept the land with the existing arab majority population and not discriminate.

On the other hand, the land is administered illegally by israel, however, people forget this new administration is far from violent compared to the jordanian administration of the land prior (palestinians were not allowed to build anything whatsoever and were shot for doing so). So yes the israeli government does bulldoze palestinian houses that were recently built without permit, and yes they even bulldoze jewish and christian houses that were built without permit (not as popular to demonstrate in the news), but the government has now made it illegal to build any new settlements for israeli citizens in the west bank.

Even if it does one day become a palestinian piece of land, and they want peace as they claim, then why shouldnt the jews that have settled there recently along with the recent arab settlers(yes not all of them have been there for a while) be allowed to live in new palestine, governed by a palestinian government along with the christians and muslims if they choose to? It is the holy land after all.

Now keep in mind that there are 1,600,000 arabs living inside israel(not including the west bank or gaza strip) who do not wish to leave the country, and live, for the most part, very good lives with the same opportunities as jewish and christian citizens. The israeli government is in no way practicing apartheid.

No i do not believe either side is just, but in a conflict of this scale and complexity, the solution is always the lesser of two evils, and rarely a "just" one.
 
honestly you can tell the jews in the thread - their very butthurt

anyone can look at the ethnic cleansing going on in israel where AFRICAN immigrants are being deported just for being black... its disgusting
 
honestly you can tell the jews in the thread - their very butthurt

anyone can look at the ethnic cleansing going on in israel where AFRICAN immigrants are being deported just for being black... its disgusting


And what about the large ethiopian population that lives peacefully in israel? Again you prove that you dont know much about this situation, south sudan was declared independant in 2011, many of these temporary refugees cannot gain refugee status in Egypt or Israel because of the south sudanese independance as it is now a recognized country. You also neglected to mention that the egyptian government employs a "shoot to stop" policy towards illegal sudanese immigrants, many of which have been allowed to stay in israel temporarily.

These are temporary refugees who went to israel for protection, they no longer need protection as south sudan gained independance. The israeli government offered each refugee whats equivalent to $350 USD (a very large sum for a sudanese national) and a free plane ticket to go back to south sudan. Remember israel is a country of only 8,000 square miles, who has taken in 200,000 non-jewish immigrants since 2008, many illegaly. Ask your self why is it only sudanese who are being deported, and not south africans or ethiopeans etc... But you dont want to ask yourself that because it would ruin your argument.

There are 57 islamic countries in the region with 1.4 billion people, only 1 of them accepted refugees, and only 1 middle eastern country accepted refugees, Israel. Yet each and every one of these countries that has refused refugees, some with violence, has critisized the israeli government for sending them back to their newly independant country with money in their pockets, now that its deemed safe...

You guys keep fishing for any reason to bash this country. Its far from perfect, but its also far from your attempted portrayal of it.
 
do you agree with the boycot ? do you beleive whats going on in the region just ? answer thse 2 question without writing a freeking bible about . yes or no
It's not his fault he has to write "a bible", he's just trying to explain that with every 5 words you type out, it is filled with lying facts and propaganda.
 
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