Afflux de migrants en Europe, un probleme considérable??
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Tozzz
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Je suis d'Accord avec toi, mais l'information en rouge est fausse....ça fait partie de toute la compagne qui à été faite pour diabolisé l'image de l'Iran auprès de l'opinion mondial, car l'Iran est toujours sur le Radar comme prochaine cible, L'iran à gagner du temps en relançant ses négociations sur son programme nucléaire ...d'ailleurs Obama était pas chaud à entrer en guerre et ça fesait ses affaires.... mais pas ceux d'israel.
Les homosexuels de l'Iran sont bien plus heureux la bas qu'en Russie
lord_galathon
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Je commencerai pas a t'expliquer que le Canada est une colonie...
Pis x2, mon appui a moi aussi a l'accueil des refugies qui sont des vrais refugies - pas juste du monde que ca leur tente pas d'attendre 2 ans pour obtenir un statut d'immigrant legit.
Tozzz
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Quel est le rapport ? je pense que t'as pas compris mon post
Poiur une immigration normale, ça prend une présence cumulé de 3 ans sur le sol canadien, ce n'est qu'aprés 3 ans qu'ils peuvent poser un dossier pour demander la résidence. Le processus au complet prend 4-5 ans. Pour des réfugiés probablement plus pour les enquête de sécurité approfondies.
Le Patriote
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Justement, à tva, les "réfugiés" haïtien américain qu'on voyait, descendait du bus avec des iPad, sa jasait au téléphone cellulaire, bien Chill.
Dans un mois ont leur envoi tous un chèque de b-s. Il y en a pas de problème. Sérieux, c'est rire du monde.
Spaceman Spiff
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Ironiquement, les Albertains disent la même chose des Québécois quand on parle de péréquation.
Je serai pas contre une procédure comme ce qu'il on adopté au Danemark. Un compte rendu des leurs actifs et si tu a plus que x$ tu recois rien en aide.
Le plus important c'est d'avoir plus de juge et de resources pour le département de l'immigration, en ce moments une personne qui dépose sa demande de status de refugiée peut attendre juste qu'as 6 mois avant d'avoir sa première audience et après si il vas en apelle du judgement ca peut être une année avant la deuxième audience. Beaucoup trop long, j'aimerai mieux que le tout sois régler en dedans de 6 mois.
Le gouvernement vas nous donnée une mise à jour économique à l'automne je m'attend à voire des ressources additionelle pour le département de l'immigration. La meilleur chose à faire c'est des traiter rapidement ces dossiers, le message vas ce passer rapidement dans ces communautés. Perds pas ton temps aller au Canada pour essayer de fuire Trump tu vas te faire refuser.
Trupower Distribution
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We're fucked
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how? Let's say 12 000 people apply for asylum by the end of 2017. Something like 2/3 or 70% of refugee claims are accepted. Let's say we ignore the most recent wave of Haitian that most likely don't have valid claims that's still only 8500 people. That's 1/3 of a number of Syrians we took in last year. That's not even 25% of the yearly quota the country sets for itself. All it means is that they'll be less applications from overseas being accepted. We're a far cry from the millions that showed up in Europe.
lord_galathon
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1) With very few exceptions like lottery winners and "fils a papa qui est riche en tabarnak" everything we have, me, you, our families and friends, anyone who lives here and pays taxes - we have earned. We have earned it by working hard, many hours, studying and learning, efforts, etc.
If I base myself on the way these "migrants" are behaving in Europe - and I know - they are different migrants - I doubt very much they will be willing to get up at 6AM to go work for 17$/h five days of the week and then have 30%+ of that 17$/h taken from them by taxes.
2) In Europe the stadiums and old Olympic villages are occupied by people "claiming" to be Syrian which is odd if we do the math since more people are playing "Syrian migrant" in Europe than have actually left Syria. That means that they don't actually come from Syria but from any of the surrounding third world countries and just want a "clean slate" in Europe but since they have no excuse to actually be a refugee they claim to be from Syria. Some of them are criminals with a criminal record and can't find work in their country so they flee. Many of these criminals are actually wanted by the authorities in their countries.
Hey if any of us ever decide to start an organized crime career and get arrested and prosecuted could we also have a freebie card to go "restart our lives with a clean slate" in another developed country like Sweden, Japan or Australia? (probably not...) but in the mean time can we check the Haiti News channel to make sure we are not getting an "assassin", a "prostituée" or a "violeur" instead of a hard working father/mother of four? Incidentally do they have no control to keep their legs closed? I understand they might not always have access to contraception but tabarnak... how many kids can they "accidentally" have?
3) I'm reading the articles on the news about the Haitian "migrants" and if inherently I have nothing against Haitians, after listening and reading the reports for a few minutes I noticed some discrepancies that should be quite obvious.
For example, Obama's "amnesty" to allow Haitians to stay in the US after the 2010 earthquake - temporary by the way, it was ALWAYS planned to be shut off, it just so happens that because it's being shut off under Trump's presidency suddenly it's Trump's fault... - has been active for ~7 years right? It was meant to accomodate Haitians that had lost everything after the earthquake in 2010.
2010.
I stress this because it's SEVEN years ago. In SEVEN YEARS even the slowpokes we have in Quebec's construction industry would have had time to rebuild at least the most necessary buildings and infrastructure for housing and basic hygiene like aqueduct, especially if we consider the BILLIONS "Haiti" received in donations from across the world.
Reading on, in the news I realized EVERY SINGLE REFUGEE they spoke to has been in the US for LESS THAN 2 years. Some less than ONE so what is the REAL reason they left Haiti in the first place?
WTF Guys? You were in Haiti for 5-6-7 years after an Earthquake before deciding that you couldn't rebuild?
I'm sorry but No. Just no. Those people should either prove that they are in danger if they return to their country, or be sent back.
If I base myself on the way these "migrants" are behaving in Europe - and I know - they are different migrants - I doubt very much they will be willing to get up at 6AM to go work for 17$/h five days of the week and then have 30%+ of that 17$/h taken from them by taxes.
2) In Europe the stadiums and old Olympic villages are occupied by people "claiming" to be Syrian which is odd if we do the math since more people are playing "Syrian migrant" in Europe than have actually left Syria. That means that they don't actually come from Syria but from any of the surrounding third world countries and just want a "clean slate" in Europe but since they have no excuse to actually be a refugee they claim to be from Syria. Some of them are criminals with a criminal record and can't find work in their country so they flee. Many of these criminals are actually wanted by the authorities in their countries.
Hey if any of us ever decide to start an organized crime career and get arrested and prosecuted could we also have a freebie card to go "restart our lives with a clean slate" in another developed country like Sweden, Japan or Australia? (probably not...) but in the mean time can we check the Haiti News channel to make sure we are not getting an "assassin", a "prostituée" or a "violeur" instead of a hard working father/mother of four? Incidentally do they have no control to keep their legs closed? I understand they might not always have access to contraception but tabarnak... how many kids can they "accidentally" have?
3) I'm reading the articles on the news about the Haitian "migrants" and if inherently I have nothing against Haitians, after listening and reading the reports for a few minutes I noticed some discrepancies that should be quite obvious.
For example, Obama's "amnesty" to allow Haitians to stay in the US after the 2010 earthquake - temporary by the way, it was ALWAYS planned to be shut off, it just so happens that because it's being shut off under Trump's presidency suddenly it's Trump's fault... - has been active for ~7 years right? It was meant to accomodate Haitians that had lost everything after the earthquake in 2010.
2010.
I stress this because it's SEVEN years ago. In SEVEN YEARS even the slowpokes we have in Quebec's construction industry would have had time to rebuild at least the most necessary buildings and infrastructure for housing and basic hygiene like aqueduct, especially if we consider the BILLIONS "Haiti" received in donations from across the world.
Reading on, in the news I realized EVERY SINGLE REFUGEE they spoke to has been in the US for LESS THAN 2 years. Some less than ONE so what is the REAL reason they left Haiti in the first place?
WTF Guys? You were in Haiti for 5-6-7 years after an Earthquake before deciding that you couldn't rebuild?
I'm sorry but No. Just no. Those people should either prove that they are in danger if they return to their country, or be sent back.
Quick599
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C'est 4,345 de trop. (Immigration illégale)
CRNKY
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Always wondered what countries think of doing with all the uneducated people with no skills letting them stay, besides welfare for life. Also Haitians coming from the US are NOT refugees, they are economic migrants like the majority of people invading Europe. I really hate how the media or anyone else call them refugees coming from the US, they were disaster refugees entering the US, but that status goes away when they migrate into another country.
Most media I've been consuming have consistently been using the term asylum seekers and refugees for those that have actually gone through the process and been granted the status.
En!vy
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Ever read Charles Ortel? He can provide some answers to your Haiti questions.
http://charlesortel.com/a-deep-dive-into-how-the-clinton-foundation-operates-illegally-and-in-haiti
CRNKY
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CTV keep calling the people getting off the bus Asylum seekers and they did not have a single immigration hearing yet. Sometimes I wonder if the media purposely mislabeled people to create sympathy for them, or they actually don't know the difference. Also all these people and all the others jumping the border now could have applied for permanent residency while they were in the US and get an answer while they were still in the US. Like how a lot of Eastern Europeans running from the communists did while they were in camps in Austria and Germany.
Technically they are asylum seekers while also being economic migrants, I guess it's a choice of which one is a better descriptor and a choice of being PC.
They could have applied through the normal channels to come to Canada but on the merit based system (which accounts for 50% of our yearly immigrants) I think they'd stand next to no chance, and they are also under time constraints. Those who treked across central america and mexico and snoke into the US probably deportation hearings in the US.
A large problem is the disinformation going around, there's this perception that refugee status is easy to obtain in Canada because of the relatively high acceptance rate. I'd argue it's high because we've been able to process and select our refugees abroad. When 90%+ of the haitian applicants get turned down and sent back, they'll stop coming.
This country has gotten away for decades with seriously underfunding our immigration services. We've been lucky to have 3 oceans surounding us and a historically more attractive immigration destination on our only border.
Spaceman Spiff
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j ai jamais vu un truck de vidange propre comme ca entre les sacs