Russian_M3
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His posts are constructive.
Most of your posts are gibberish speaking your own bias opinion without stating facts... You criticize many posts without even having a constructive debate or discussion... GTFO !
Turks Say They Just casualy Shot Down a Russian Jet. Happening official thread
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His posts are constructive.
Most of your posts are gibberish speaking your own bias opinion without stating facts... You criticize many posts without even having a constructive debate or discussion... GTFO !
Russian_M3
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You should submit your candidature to Air forces and tell them how to do it and what they give a fuck about.. They will assign you as the main execution chief of carrying out strategical and tactical plans on how to bombard terrorists !
.. I am just joking ... The pilot wanted to fly around for fun while the command centre was drunk.
Or even better Ill give you Putin's direct line you can answer his questions ...
Russian_M3
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Turkey's ambassador to the United States, Serdar Kilic, tweeted: "Understand this: Turkey is a country whose warnings should be taken seriously and listened to. Don't test Turkey's patience. Try to win its friendship."
Putin :
"The plane fell on Syrian territory 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) away from the Turkish border. It was flying 1 kilometer away from the Turkish border when it was attacked. In any case, neither our pilots nor our jet posed any threat to Turkey. That is obvious. They were carrying out an operation fighting against ISIL in Northern Latakia
Two Russian Mi-8 helicopters performed a search-and-rescue operation, but one of them was damaged by small arms fire and made an emergency landing, Russian Lt. Gen. Sergei Rudskoy said. One Russian marine was killed.
Future Russia airstrikes "will be carried out only under cover of fighter aircraft," Rudskoy said.
Also, the Russian cruiser Moskva will go to the shore zone of Syrian port of Latakia, and the military "warns that all the potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed
Putin :
"The plane fell on Syrian territory 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) away from the Turkish border. It was flying 1 kilometer away from the Turkish border when it was attacked. In any case, neither our pilots nor our jet posed any threat to Turkey. That is obvious. They were carrying out an operation fighting against ISIL in Northern Latakia
Two Russian Mi-8 helicopters performed a search-and-rescue operation, but one of them was damaged by small arms fire and made an emergency landing, Russian Lt. Gen. Sergei Rudskoy said. One Russian marine was killed.
Future Russia airstrikes "will be carried out only under cover of fighter aircraft," Rudskoy said.
Also, the Russian cruiser Moskva will go to the shore zone of Syrian port of Latakia, and the military "warns that all the potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed
SUBARU_WRX_STi
Well-known member
Backstabers, never trusted turkey anyways. Why would you do this to your neighbour? its not like the plane was flying on their site for hours.. Sick and tired of this stupid world we live in
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Gregster
Legacy Member
Because Turkey hate Syria? Russia is helping Syria
Dibbs
Active member
a good article here.
Needless to say, Moscow and Ankara are at odds over precisely what happened on Tuesday when a Russian Su-24 was shot down near the Syrian border.
The two pilots ejected and attempted to parachute to safety but Turkmen FSA-allied Alwiya al-Ashar militiamen shot at them as they fell before posting a video purporting to show rebel soldiers celebrating over one of the bodies. It only got worse from there when the FSA's 1st Coastal Brigade used a US-made TOW to destroy a Russian search and rescue helicopter.
Clearly, this was a marked escalation and indeed it was the first time a NATO member had engaged a Russian or Soviet warplane in more than 60 years.
The Kremlin was not happy as Vladimir Putin - who was meeting with King Abdullah in Jordan - proceeded to brand Erdogan a “backstabber” and an ISIS supporter. Sergei Lavrov subsequently canceled a planned trip to Turkey.
At issue now, is whether the Russian fighter jet did indeed, as Turkey claims, venture into Turkish airspace or whether the Turks actually engaged Moscow’s warplane in the skies over Syria.
Here's Russia's version of the story, presented via a video released by the Defense Ministry:
And here's Turkey's account:
Finally, here's The New York Times with a compare and constrast visual:
In the wake of an emergency NATO meeting this afternoon, new information has come to light. First, there’s Ankara’s letter to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the 15 members of the UN Security Council. Here it is:
The highlighted passage reads: “Disregarding these warnings, both planes, at an altitude of 19,000 feet, violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds from 9:24:05 local time."
So, as RT notes, even if we buy Turkey's story (i.e. if we accept that Russia actually did violate Turkish airspace), then it would appear that Ankara has something of an itchy trigger finger. That is, Turkey was apparently willing to risk sparking a wider conflict between NATO and Russia over a 17 second incursion.
But something doesn't sound right.
From wikileaks: Journalists: Learn to do basic maths. Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/669199888052260864
In other words, as Sputnik put it earlier this evening, "according to those numbers, the Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed."
The Su-24's max speed is 1,320 km/hour.
So if we assume the Su-24 was actually going much faster, was 17 seconds more like 5 seconds? Or perhaps even less?
It's important not to forget the context here. Ankara is fiercly anti-Assad and in addition to being generally displeased with Russia's efforts to support the regime, just four days ago, Turkey summoned Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov over the alleged bombing of Turkish villages near the border. "Turkey has asked Russia to 'immediately end its operation,'" AFP reported, adding that "Ankara warned bombing villages populated by the Turkmen minority in Syria could lead to 'serious consequences.'"
Of course Russia wasn't just bombing Turkish civilians for the sheer hell of it. It's likely Moscow was targeting the very same FSA-affiliated Alwiya al-Ashar militiamen who shot and killed the parachuting Russian pilot earlier today.
In short, it looks like Ankara saw an opportunity to shoot down a Russian jet in retaliation for strikes on Turkish rebel fighters who are operating alongside anti-Assad forces. Erdogan is essentially gambling that Russia will not retailiate militarily against Turkey because doing so would open the door for a direct confrontation with NATO.
Time will tell whether that gamble pays off or whether Moscow decides that the next time a Turkish F-16 gets "lost" over Latakia, a little payback is in order
Lexus
Moderator
La Turquie veux etre LA puissance du coin, c'est sur. Je pense que personne nie que les russes se melent partout et que Putin est un dictateur nutjob MAIS, en ce moment, c'est le seul qui merite du respect, le seul qui est realiste et qui a un minimum de couilles.
Not sure if srs. Tu penses que le genocide des armeniens n'est pas un genocide parce qu'il ne peut pas reflechir au neutre? C'est un fait historique, que bcp de grandes puissances essayent de sous-evaluer, parce que tout a coup la Turquie et le grand "ami" de l'ouest.
Si je cours sur le trottoir a cote de ta maison et ca arrive que je mets un pied sur ton gazon, c'est vrai que je suis coupable d'avoir touche ta propriete prive mais ca veux dire que ca serait correct de m'exploser avec un shotgun?
It sure as hell wasn't heading for Ankara!
What an idiot. If they weren't backed by the US they wouldn't be so arrogant.
Dibbs
Active member
Because the united states' (and by extension, NATO) military presence hinges on their ability to deploy military bases within turkey (which, as a reminder, holds tactical NATO nuclear weapons), Turkey knows they would not let them down if there is a confrontation between Turkey and Russia.
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Wally West
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Go russia
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Big Pat
New member
S.V.P., pointe moi la partie de mon message où je dis que Kossak n'est pas intelligent? Je dis juste qu'il est incapable d'épeler correctement. Je lui dit pas d'apprendre à écrire, lui dit juste d'apprendre à écrire Syria.
Même un dyslexique est capable de ça.
Si tu ne vois pas ça toi non plus, ça se pourrait que je questionne ton intelligence...
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Big Pat
New member
Hate to say this, but that Russian flight plan makes no sense whatsoever. Why the dogleg North? It's not like the insurgents had SAMs out the wazoo...
It does make sense if you try to antagonize Turkey. Stay as long as possible in the Air Defense I dentification Zone in order to make a point and/or provoke an incident.
HeavyMetal
New member
^^ Et la trajectoire supposée par les Turcs fait plus de sens? J'ai rarement vu un bombardier faire une trajectoire erratique comme si son pilote était saoul.
Et la boucle nord de la trajectoire supposée faire les Russes, tu dis, un non-sens? Étales-nous tout ce que tu sais parce que tu sembles être mieux informé que quiconque ici. Back your claims with facts.
Et la boucle nord de la trajectoire supposée faire les Russes, tu dis, un non-sens? Étales-nous tout ce que tu sais parce que tu sembles être mieux informé que quiconque ici. Back your claims with facts.
Russian_M3
Shop Representative
Hate to say this however maybe there was a purpose for that ?!
Maybe getting intel on other possible terrorist movements ?!
Unless you are a pilot, a gregster or work for a military air command centre we can't rely on your logics regarding the trajectory.
Russian_M3
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Turkey violated Syria sovereignty by attacking Su-24 in its airspace – Syrian FM
The downing of the Russian warplane, which aggressively violated Syria’s sovereignty, is proof to the world of Turkish support for terrorism. This has been going on for years, the Syrian foreign minister said.
Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - FM Lavrov
The downing of a Russian warplane in Syria by Turkey appears to be a pre-planned provocation, the Russian Foreign Minister said. Ankara failed to communicate with Russia over the incident, he added.
MOSCOW READY TO HELP HOLLANDE GET SYRIA-TURKEY BORDER CLOSED TO STOP FUELING MILITANTS - LAVROV
Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev
Russia to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria
Russian missile cruiser off Latakia coast, ready to destroy dangerous air targets
One of 2 Russian pilots shot down by Turkey rescued, back to airbase in Syria
The downing of the Russian warplane, which aggressively violated Syria’s sovereignty, is proof to the world of Turkish support for terrorism. This has been going on for years, the Syrian foreign minister said.
Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - FM Lavrov
The downing of a Russian warplane in Syria by Turkey appears to be a pre-planned provocation, the Russian Foreign Minister said. Ankara failed to communicate with Russia over the incident, he added.
MOSCOW READY TO HELP HOLLANDE GET SYRIA-TURKEY BORDER CLOSED TO STOP FUELING MILITANTS - LAVROV
Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev
Russia to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria
Russian missile cruiser off Latakia coast, ready to destroy dangerous air targets
One of 2 Russian pilots shot down by Turkey rescued, back to airbase in Syria
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known member
Shall we talk about the Ukrainian holocaust of 1932-33 where 7 million Ukrainians died?
More info:
http://www.ukemonde.com/genocide/margolisholocaust.html
How many people were killed in Russian gulags? 5 millions? 7 millions?
If you're going to play the genocide card, fist make sure your country doesn't have blood on their hands.
Russian_M3
Shop Representative
^^^ Sure !
Open a thread on that subject and we can all discuss that..
Open a thread on that subject and we can all discuss that..
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known member
My goal was mainly to point out a certain hypocrisy on your part.