Article: Why Isn't Koenigsegg Considered Part of the Holy Trinity?

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Sweedish supercar manufacturer Koenigsegg is responding to being left out of recent "Holy Trinity" comparisons. Holy Trinity refers to the Ferrari LaFerrari, Porsche 918 and McLaren P1 which are considered the world's fastest supercars. The first sanctioned comparison between the three was published Nov 19 by Chris Harris (see the video and read what MontrealRacing thought of that comparo in the discussion thread here). Another unsanctioned test was published by SCD-TV and you can view that thread here. A third comparison by Alejandro Salomon even threw in the Bugatti Veyron and Pagani Huyara and you can read that thread here.

In their blog post, Koenigsegg writes:


There has been a lot of talk in the motoring press and online about the #HolyTrinity of hypercars. For those of you who are unaware, the #HolyTrinity is comprised of the Porsche 918 Hybrid, the Ferrari LaFerrari and the McLaren P1. Youtube videographers and car magazines around the globe are dampening their trousers at the prospect of getting their hands on all three cars and testing them together.
A few of them have finally done it, lapping the cars and putting them through drag races to see which one performs best.
Regardless of who the ‘winner’ is (if there can be such a thing in these tests) we have to acknowledge that all three are beautifully executed cars that carry a lot of technology in them.
Does it trouble Koenigsegg that we’re not included in tests like these, that we’re not included in the #HolyTrinity that publications are writing about so much? Not really. Well, not until such a time as it troubles any of our customers.
Last night, I had an email from a customer. He wanted some reassurance that the Agera RS he had on order was competitive with the 0-186mph times achieved by the #HolyTrinity in this video from SuperCarDriver (SCD) on Youtube…



Disclaimer: It would normally be considered somewhat impolite for a company such as ours to talk about our vehicle’s performance this way. This is why we don’t usually talk directly about competitor cars when we do performance tests. We let the figures speak for themselves. However, in this instance, with one of our customers writing to us directly about this, we thought it important to say something, primarily to provide reassurance to our customers about the cars that they are buying.
Let’s go directly to the graphic for the 0-186mph times achieved for the three cars.
Note: 186mph is equivalent to 300kmh.


It should be said from the outset that these seem like exceptionally slow times for these cars. As noted in the video, Bruntingthorpe has a 2% incline and it’s likely that this uphill sprint had an effect on the times achieved.
Let’s compare the manufacturer’s times for 0-300 with the times achieved by SCD.
Porsche 918

SCD: 22.95 sec
Porsche: 19.9 sec (with Weissach package)

Ferrari LaFerrari

SCD: 21.99 sec
Ferrari: 15 sec

McLaren P1

SCD: 20.11 sec
McLaren: 16.5 sec

There are some absolutely crazy differences in these times. Up to 7 seconds in the case of the LaFerrari.
Let’s have a look at some comparative times for Koenigsegg cars. We’ll use the manufacturer’s claimed times rather than the SCD times because a) they’re faster and therefore fairer to the manufacturers, and b) they’re presumably not compromised by the incline in the track shown on the video.
The fastest claimed 0-300 time by any of these manufacturers is the 15 seconds claimed by Ferrari for the LaFerrari. Then comes the 16.5 seconds claimed by McLaren for the P1. The Porsche is an outlier in this instance with a time of 19.9 seconds but it is understood that the Porsche is aimed at acceleration at the lower end rather than the higher end (as shown by their exceptional, unbeaten 6:57 at the Nurburgring).
So how do Koenigsegg models compete with these times?
We are on the record – with video support – as having achieved a 14.53second time for a 0-300kmh sprint. That time is half-a-second faster than the fastest manufacturer-claimed time from the #HolyTrinity cars.
That was with an Agera R in 2011.






We are also on the record – with video support – as having achieved an11.922 second time for a 0-300kmh sprint. That’s a full three seconds faster than the fastest #HolyTrinity claimed time.
That was earlier in 2015 with the One:1





We don’t have an acceleration figure from 0-300kmh for the Agera RS because we don’t (yet) have an Agera RS factory test car. All the RS’s built so far are for customers. We will have our own RS test car soon.
We would expect the Agera RS in standard configuration to achieve a figure somewhere between the Agera R and the One:1, both of which are already quicker than the #HolyTrinity times. An Agera RS with the One:1 engine upgrade would, of course, be faster still.
And note that we fully expect the Koenigsegg Regera (still in shakedown testing) to get to 400kmh in under 20 seconds.
Conclusion:

The #HolyTrinity is made up of exceptionally good performance cars that any fair-minded person would be happy to own. Acceleration is only one aspect of performance car ownership but we just wanted to demonstrate to our customers and fans that our vehicles lose no ground when compared against this lofty competition.
And with up to 2G’s of lateral grip in the One:1, we don’t think we’d lose anything in the corners, either. Our lap records at Suzuka and Spasupport this, but we know that everyone is waiting for us to tackle the Nurburgring, which we definitely want to do when restrictions are finally lifted in 2016.
 
I'm curious- did anyone ask Koenigsegg for a car to test against the other 3? If so, what was the answer?

Another reason they don't really qualify IMO;

"The Koenigsegg Agera R was produced between 2011 and 2014. 18 examples of the Agera R were produced during that time."

18 cars... They can't be considered a car manufacturer on the same level as McLaren, Ferrari and Porsche. I'd still love to see them all go head to head though, and I'm sure everyone else would as well.

Has Koenigsegg ever given one of their cars to a reviewer for testing? There's a lot of mystery surrounding the company...
 
I'm curious- did anyone ask Koenigsegg for a car to test against the other 3? If so, what was the answer?

Another reason they don't really qualify IMO;

"The Koenigsegg Agera R was produced between 2011 and 2014. 18 examples of the Agera R were produced during that time."

18 cars... They can't be considered a car manufacturer on the same level as McLaren, Ferrari and Porsche. I'd still love to see them all go head to head though, and I'm sure everyone else would as well.

Has Koenigsegg ever given one of their cars to a reviewer for testing? There's a lot of mystery surrounding the company...

Paganis, Koenigsegg and the Hennessey Venom GT of this world do not belong in those tests.
 
Why was it not included?

Answer: Because it's too damn fast for the competition.
 
Salomon asked for à 'segg to compete but there is none in the US of the Agera variant..

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Ils ont dit non car ils ont peur des resultats..

Koenigsegggggg sont en processus de venu aux USA. Alors une mauvaise performance dans ses tests casserait le gros hype et pourrait nuire a leur lancement aux USA...

GAY!


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Porsche, Mclaren, and Ferrari have spent decades, even longer than half a century building their reputation and creating the feats of strength that have be broken time after time.

They have done this all while producing hundreds of examples of their cars, and having them be capable of legally driving worldwide. More than what Koenigsegg could say about their cars. Producing a handful of cars simply doesn't cut it in my book as "production", especially when they can't pass emission and safety tests worldwide, like the other companies do.

I remember reading a thread on a forum called Luxury4play where the Koenigsegg spokesman was bashing the owner of the first Agera R in the USA for creating negative press about the car. They're still a juvenile company and saying they should be a part of the big three in supercars is them not knowing their position.

Look at Pagani for instance... They rarely make performance claims, and make no attempt to mingle with the bigger brands, because the company knows its place. Their cars are about pure passion and artwork, and clients have responded positively to that. Horacio's own Pagani has over 100,000kms on it I believe it still rolls the streets, (albeit with meticulous maintenance ofcourse).
 
Le test mule pagani "nonno" a genre 1 000 000 km !!!!!

1 fucking milion!!


Pagani sont dans une classe a part..! C est de la poRn auto! Des oeuvres d art sur roues!

Le souci des details est juste incroyable
 
Tiens


The Pagani Zonda has been around since 1999, with the very first variant, the Zonda C12, having made its debut at the Geneva Motor Show that same year. The first couple of cars Pagani built weren’t customer cars but prototype versions used for development and testing.

One was used for crash safety testing, another was kept as a demonstrator and another is the test mule featured in this latest video from serial car spotter Shmee150.

The test mule is actually the second Zonda to ever be built and it's still in use today.

The car has done over 1.1 million kilometers (approximately 680,000 miles) and has been nicknamed the Zonda ‘Nonno’ because of its age. Nonno is the Italian word for “grandfather.”

Before any new Zonda variant is launched, the Zonda Nonno is first upgraded to the new specifications and handed over to Pagani’s official tester Davide Testi.

The car’s current specification is the same as the Zonda 760 cars like the Zonda 760 LH owned by Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton. This means it has 760 horsepower emanating from its 7.3-liter AMG V-12, which is sent to the rear wheels via a sequential gearbox.
 
Le test mule pagani "nonno" a genre 1 000 000 km !!!!!

1 fucking milion!!


Pagani sont dans une classe a part..! C est de la poRn auto! Des oeuvres d art sur roues!

Le souci des details est juste incroyable

Would you buy a car from The Count
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or Dr.Evil??

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wow such koenigsegg bashing here, quite unbelievable coming from car guys.

I have visited the Pagani factory in Italy, I would love to visit the koenigsegg factory on a future trip.

For an engineer the koenigsegg is madness, for design it's the Pagani.
 
wow such koenigsegg bashing here, quite unbelievable coming from car guys.

I have visited the Pagani factory in Italy, I would love to visit the koenigsegg factory on a future trip.

For an engineer the koenigsegg is madness, for design it's the Pagani.

Wait in 2-3 post alex' will show us a pics of his car with one of his ''friend'' who own a pagani im sure......
 
Rien pour Diss pagani parce que j'adore la compagnie, mais niveau fiabilité, c'est sur que quand ton moteur est produit par AMG, vs Koenigsegg qui le fabriquent jusqu'a un certain point from scratch, il doit y avoir une différence de fiabilité.

La seule affaire qui me bug, c'est le claimed fastest 0-400km/h pi fastest top speed, mais qui a jamais été prouvé.
 
Koenigsegg sont rendu avec une auto sans transmission, c'est fou leur R&D. Ils travaillent aussi à enlever les camshafts.

Moteur sans supports, turbo 3d print, roues en carbone etc.

Je dis pas que c'est fiable loin de là mais bordel les prouesses d'ingénierie!!!

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Koeniggsegg est sur un autre planète côté engineering selon moi. Seulement les pneus sont construits hors usine.
 
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