Brexit

The british are fucked no matter what they chose. The barbaric invasion has harmed the country forever. London even has an islamic mayor now.
 
I have no idea what to think with the Brexit, dont know squat

i would actually think it's better for then to stay,

but the fact that All the media is bashing the PRO Brexit people makes me think it might not be the right choice,

oh and john Oliver, saying PRO BREXIT I's racist might be a factor as well. God knows what CNN wants me to think sometimes is not the right way to think
 
Dont start me on John Oliver.
He is a propaganda tools. buzz word with out any meaning like meh racist.

They pay google good Money to get his video always in view of everyone on youtube.
Who is the damn puppeteer of John Olivier.

He is like our patrick lagacé. He Tell us what to think.
They dont explain to us the informations. they do not report the fact. They push their Agenda.
Remember, I clam to be propaganda specialist. I cant spot them miles away. like Thief noticing another Thief.
 
Kossak and Riffo, both first in a thread about something we don't care about.

I am surprised.

Sorry mais c'est un sujet extrêmement intéressant à plein de niveau... Ça fais longtemps qu'il n'y as pas eu un évènement aussi important au niveau de la démocratie, de la liberté d'un peuple, au niveau géopolitique aussi ça risque de changer beaucoup de choses. J'vois pas ce que tu vois de plate dans tout ça?
 
On Thursday, citizens of the United Kingdom will vote in a referendum on whether their country should remain in or withdraw from the European Union.

The vote — dubbed "Brexit," a nifty portmanteau combining the words "Britain" and "exit" — marks a historic moment that could shape the future of the country, both politically and economically, for generations.

What's on the ballot?

The referendum question will read, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

Voters will have the option of putting an "x" next to one of two answers:

"Remain a member of the European Union."

"Leave the European Union."

The wording was changed from a simple "yes" or "no" last September, after the Electoral Commission warned it could be confusing, and might be biased toward those who want to stay in the E.U.

Who can vote?


• British or Irish citizens who live in the U.K.

• Commonwealth citizens who are residents of the U.K.

• British citizens who live overseas but have been registered to vote in the U.K. in the last 15 years.

• Irish citizens living overseas who were born in Northern Ireland and who have been registered to vote in Northern Ireland in the last 15 years.

For more info, head to the Electoral Commission website.

So, Canadians can vote?

Yes, if you are a Canadian citizen who currently lives in the U.K.

When will we know the result?

The polls close at 10 p.m. GMT on Thursday, but the results are not likely to come in until the next morning. The ballots will be sent to one of 382 counting areas to be verified. Unlike a general election, in which victories are declared riding by riding, the referendum results will be a tally of every vote; the side that gets the most votes wins.

Why do some people want to leave the E. U.?

Britain's relationship with Europe has been complicated. In 1988, then-prime minister Margaret Thatcher famously gave a speech in Bruges in which she railed that "we have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain only to see them reimposed at a European level."

Although the U.K. was one of the original 12 countries to sign the Maastricht Treaty in 1992, which established the EU, it retained control over its own borders and its own currency.

Since the economic meltdown of 2008, and the financial catastrophe in Greece, some Brits have become more skeptical about the benefits of remaining in the EU, especially as the British economy has remained relatively strong.

Former London mayor Boris Johnson has been the public face of the "leave" campaign.

How has immigration been a factor in the debate?

While some simply don't like the idea of giving the EU control over trade deals and foreign policy, others are scared that Britain's stronger economy makes it a magnet for low-wage European immigrants from hard-hit countries like Poland and Greece.

This is where the Brexit debate has turned ugly.

Nigel Farage, the leader of the right-wing U.K. Independence Party, released a poster in favour of leaving the EU that showed masses of dark-skinned men, presumably refugees, that read: "Breaking Point: The EU has failed us all. We must break free of the EU and take control of our borders."

Treasury secretary Harriett Baldwin called the poster "vile xenophobia," but its message enjoys some resonance. UKIP got 12. 6 per cent of the vote in last year's election, and concerns about immigration factor heavily into pro-Brexit rhetoric.

Why do some people want to stay?

Those in favour of remaining think the benefits far outweigh the negatives. The EU is the world's largest economic free-trade zone, and British businesses save on import/export costs.

Prime Minister David Cameron, a noted opponent of Brexit, has warned that leaving would throw the economy into short-term turmoil and could undo the country's gains since the economic recession.

"After six years of sacrifice, when risks to our economy are still high, wouldn't the gravest risk be walking out of the biggest single market in the world?" he wrote in an editorial for The Sun.

Why is the referendum being held now?

While Cameron is opposed to the leaving the EU, he promised to redraft the terms of Britain's involvement and hold a referendum on the issue during his 2015 election campaign. At the time, this was seen as a way to appease voters who might have been swayed by far-right parties such as UKIP.

In May, a new agreement between the EU and the UK was ratified. If Britain votes to remain in the EU, it will go into force, and gives Britain more autonomy.

It also restricts some of the social welfare that EU immigrants can receive in Britain, and includes guarantees that Britain won't have to bail out other European countries, like Germany did with Greece.

How is the Brexit debate linked to the killing of MP Jo Cox?

Cox, a rising Labour MP and notable Brexit opponent, was killed last week by a gunman who reportedly screamed "Britain first." She had championed the cause of Syrian refugees.

Cox's husband says he believes she was killed because of her political views.

What do polls say?

According to the Financial Times's Brexit poll tracker, it's a neck-and-neck race, with 44 per cent in favour of remaining with the EU, 45 per cent in favour of leaving and 11 per cent undecided.

But while the population as a whole is split, there are great regional variations. A study by the London School of Economics showed that people from London and Scotland tend to view the EU far more favourably than those in other regions.

Are people split along party lines?

Not really. There are notable members for each side of the debate in each party. While Cameron, the leader of the Conservative Party, wants to remain, about 38 per cent of Conservative MPs have declared that they want to leave.

The Labour Party is also split: Leader Jeremy Corbyn wants to remain, but there are some notable members who are pro-Brexit, like John Mann and Dennis Skinner.

What might be the economic impact of leaving?

There is large consensus among economists that leaving the EU would hurt Britain.

The Centre for Economic Performance, at the London School of Economics, found that increased trade costs could knock down the U.K.'s GDP by between 1.1 and 3.1 per cent, reducing the economy to its lowest since the financial crisis. The U.K. would also lose out on EU trade deals with the United States, which could save U.K. consumers £6.3 billion per year, the report found.

Canadian Mark Carney, who is governor of the Bank of England, warned the Treasury Committee that Brexit posed the "biggest domestic financial stability risk" facing the U.K. The Treasury department determined that "Britain would be permanently poorer by the equivalent of £4,300 per household by 2030 and every year thereafter."

Similarly, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development estimates that Brexit would cost each household £3,200 a year after 2030, and that the GDP could shrink between 2.7 per cent and 7.5 per cent.

And if Britain votes to leave? Then what?

The government has not made any contingency plans for how the country would begin such a process public, but many have speculated that Cameron would step down.

The Bank of England says it has plans in place, which may include liquidating sterling in order to inject more cash to the economy, or adjustments to commercial bank rates to stem inflation.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, has warned that the U.K. would receive no special treatment if it votes to leave, which means it would have to negotiate an E.U. trade deal just like third-party countries such as Canada and the U.S.

This can be a lengthy process — Canada's trade deal has been in negotiations since 2009. The U.K. would also have to negotiate its own trade deals with countries that already have agreements with the EU.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6735402--brexit-explained-in-13-simple-points/
 
Sorry mais c'est un sujet extrêmement intéressant à plein de niveau... Ça fais longtemps qu'il n'y as pas eu un évènement aussi important au niveau de la démocratie, de la liberté d'un peuple, au niveau géopolitique aussi ça risque de changer beaucoup de choses. J'vois pas ce que tu vois de plate dans tout ça?

Exactement.

De plus on chialle toujours nous avons jamais de choix que la démocratie est morte.

enfin ce pays a la chance de choisir leur destiné.

J ai des amis et collegue orrigine european. certain qui ont encore un pied dans les vieux pays.
et union european est un big deal. leur lois influence et parfoit enlève des liberté au membre de union.

le vote aujourd'hui va être historique. on va en parlé dans 1000 ans.

il y a des Libertard qui va ce basé sur John Oliver pour leur opinion sur cet décision historique et important.
God help us.
 
Exactement.

De plus on chialle toujours nous avons jamais de choix que la démocratie est morte.

enfin ce pays a la chance de choisir leur destiné.

J ai des amis et collegue orrigine european. certain qui ont encore un pied dans les vieux pays.
et union european est un big deal. leur lois influence et parfoit enlève des liberté au membre de union.

le vote aujourd'hui va être historique. on va en parlé dans 1000 ans.

il y a des Libertard qui va ce basé sur John Oliver pour leur opinion sur cet décision historique et important.
God help us.


Interesting movie made by the pro Brexit Side. It's very informative nonetheless, you just have to keep in mind it's made by biased people.
 
The problem with polling is that it doesn't consider voter participation. Usually older people will tend to vote in greater numbers than the young ones. And they hate change.

On this particular matter, I've heard that brexit is more popular with old people. Can't wait ti see the results.
 
On this particular matter, I've heard that brexit is more popular with old people. Can't wait ti see the results.

Of course it would be more popular with old people.

United Europe IMHO was a good idea at the start but it had inherent flaws that made it less viable than expected.

For example the difference in different cultures like Germany and Switzerland (among others) where everyone works hard, saves money vs Greece and Turkey (among others including Italy) where to find someone working you have to look really hard.

Imagine if Quebec was part of EU. Would we be giving money or getting some from the others.

Oooh, wait. We are part of a type of EU.

We do get money.

Less now but we still get money.
 
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