audi s4 b8 dsg stage 2+? question pour ma garantie

corvette5691

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salut jai un audi s4 2012 jai 4 ans de garantie chez audi lauzon,mais jaimerais vraiment le mettre stage 2+unitronic je voulais savoir si je suis stage 2 et le fais reflasher stock vont t-il ce rendre compte de quelque chose de louche??? merci
 
Stage 2 plus, ça veut dire que tu vas mettre un intake aftermarket et possiblement un downpipe donc oui à moins bien sûr de tout enlever et reflasher stock à toutes les fois que ta voiture rentre au dealer, ça devrait passer inaperçu. Mais si ta voiture tombe en panne, c'est quoi ton plan?
 
Stage 2 plus, ça veut dire que tu vas mettre un intake aftermarket et possiblement un downpipe donc oui à moins bien sûr de tout enlever et reflasher stock à toutes les fois que ta voiture rentre au dealer, ça devrait passer inaperçu. Mais si ta voiture tombe en panne, c'est quoi ton plan?

Ça ne passe pas inaperçu. Il va avoir le TD1 Flag et Audi va savoir qu'il y a eu des modifs, même en remettant tout stock.

Chapter 5 - TD1… "Engine ECM Modification (Tuning)"
*****These are screenshots of the Audi side of things, it is absolutely 100% identical to the Volkswagen side, ELSA is the same program for both brands*****
When an Audi/VW comes in for service one of the first things the that happens is the ELSA PRO is opened
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When you enter the VIN it will show if there are any open campaigns (Recalls, Service Actions, and Updates as listed in the last section) but it will also reveal customer info, warranty info, repair history (anything done at a dealership paid by the manufacturer will show up), etc. In the case of this chipped S4 there is an exclamation point next to vehicle data.
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When you click on vehicle data it shows… drum roll please… vehicle data! In this case it tells you, clear as day, that the vehicle has been chipped. As you can see to the right of the picture it even reveals the date and mileage of when it was detected that the ECM has been chipped. This is the same place it will show if it has a salvaged or totalled title.
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Now lets talk about how a VIN number get flagged with a TD1 code. I’ve read all sorts of stupid shit that people have imagined up on how this works, everything from the dealership flagging the VIN for any modifications, even just a filter on a stick intake to tuners reporting your VIN numbers back to VW/Audi. Please stop spreading that crap. How it happens is very simple and there is nothing a dealership does to intentionally throw you under the bus. The dealership does NOT have the ability to manually “flag” a vehicle that has been modified, the entire process of flagging a VIN with TD1 code is completely behind the scenes and unintentional and unannounced at the dealership level. The way warranty has worked since 2004 with Audi/VW is that you are REQUIRED by the manufacturer to submit a GFF (Guided Fault Finding) log online with any and all warranty repairs for engine, transmission, or electrical related warranty claims. If it’s a suspension problem there’s no reason to submit a GFF log but if it’s anything that throws a fault in ANY system a GFF log is required or the manufacturer will deny the warranty claim and the dealership eats the cost. If the dealer eats the cost the tech does not get paid for the work they did… the tech does not want to work for free, therefore GFF log are ALWAYS sent in to ensure payment on warranty repairs. Anytime you run a GFF log or you perform an SVM (software) update the scan tool records all sorts of hidden data and send it back to the manufacturer. That’s how a VIN gets flagged with TD1, it’s not the dealership telling on you and manually flagging it, it’s the factory scan tool detecting it is not factory software and reporting it back to the manufacturer.

Putting it in stock mode and locking the ECM…
Some people have gotten the impression that they can switch their tune “stock” mode and “lock” it and somehow that makes it undetectable… or even stupider, that it’s “locked” that the tune can't be overwritten/flashed back to stock by the dealer. I don’t know how people came up with that or why people think that but I’d wish they would stop saying it. It doesn't matter what mode it’s in or it’s locked it has absolutely ZERO effect on the scan tools ability to detect the tune or the dealerships ability to overwrite your aftermarket software. If your ECM is flashed and locked all that means is someone can’t change the mode without without the password… and literally nothing else.

The evolution of TD1… remember when shit hit the fan when I posted this thread http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29163
It started off as saying TD1 - Motor SG geaendert. It then became TD1 - Engine ECM Modification (Tuning). It eventually evolved to Volkswagen (Audi has not done this **yet**) emailing every single dealership technician the link to a video that every single VW tech will have to watch in order to get/maintain their certification for the year that shows how to see if vehicle has been chipped. There is officially no more hiding it and no more stupid employees who didn’t how to figure it out. you know, I know, the dealership knows, and the manufacturer knows.
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Fait chier oui, mais d'autre autre point de vue, ça fait du sens que Audi n'a pas à payer pour tes modifications.
 
en plus unitronic garde en banque le VIN de ton auto quand tu flash.

Je ne sais pas si les dealers ont accès à ca, mais reste que ça laisse des traces quand quelqu'un veut fouiller.
 
Soooooo... anyone buying a used Audi/VW that's supposed to have some left-ver warranty should be ble to get something in print from the dealer that their car is NOT a TD1 I hope?

Would suck big time to buy the car, CPO on top of that and get this handed to you at the first oil change...
 
Le meilleur compromis est un Piggyback si tu es garantie... Plug & Play en 5 mminutes et tu peut l'enlever a tout moment. J'ai ça sur mon S4 2011 DSG et ca sort +400 HP. Moins puissant que le Stage 2 mais bonne différence VS stock. Le mien est de la marque HOFELE et roule #1 depuis 1 an!
 
Le meilleur compromis est un Piggyback si tu es garantie... Plug & Play en 5 mminutes et tu peut l'enlever a tout moment. J'ai ça sur mon S4 2011 DSG et ca sort +400 HP. Moins puissant que le Stage 2 mais bonne différence VS stock. Le mien est de la marque HOFELE et roule #1 depuis 1 an!

T'as pluger ton auto au dealer depuis que tu l'as instaler pour voir si sa flash TDI ?
 
Would replacing the ECU by pass this problem ?

Say you have one ECU tuned and buy one that's not flashed . If you swapped the Stock ECU before going to the dealer would that be a way to not have the car tagged as TD1 ?
 

for members info, I spoke about your case at someone at lauzon, and they don't scan the ecu if you ask to dont scan it. They won't try to figure out if it's flashed or not.
But if for any X reason they scan it and they figure it out, they will declare TD1.

For other member, just mention to not scan the ECU if you go for , i.e., a tire change.
 
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