Alberta 2018 - 15$/h minimum, c'est fait. A quand notre tour?

NemesisBob said:
That has nothing to do with a $15/ minimum wage, it will happen @ $11 or $15/hour just the same. And prices rising with a $15 minimum wage is untrue. Wonder how long it will take this backward province to realize $11/hour is not a living wage.
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Le problème va plus être ceux qui gagne déjà 15$ ou genre 16-17$.
Il vont vouloir des augmentation substantiel eux aussi.
Sa va fucké le chien

L'économie va prendre 2-3 ans se placé pis après bien ton argent va valoir la même chose que avant faq tes pas gagnant a par de payé plus d'impot
 
NemesisBob said:
That has nothing to do with a $15/ minimum wage, it will happen @ $11 or $15/hour just the same. And prices rising with a $15 minimum wage is untrue. Wonder how long it will take this backward province to realize $11/hour is not a living wage.
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Ok so lets say, you have 15$ an hour and the minimum is going up to 15$. Now youre making the minimum.. what would you want next. Would you think its fair for you? Wouldnt you want to have the raise to?
 
split said:
Ok so lets say, you have 15$ an hour and the minimum is going up to 15$. Now youre making the minimum.. what would you want next. Would you think its fair for you? Wouldnt you want to have the raise to?
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yes, what is the problem with wanting a raise?
 
NemesisBob said:
And prices rising with a $15 minimum wage is untrue. .
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Really? Lets say you own a restaurant and employ 15 people, each person gets a $3.25 raise, that is $48.75 per hr and you are open 17 hrs a day that is $828.74 per day out of your pocket, add that the person who is selling you his product is charging an extra 5% due to having to pay his workers more so lets just round this up to $1,000.00 a day. Are you going to eat this cost? Serious.
And that is not even adding the extra CPP and whatever else the employer pays to the government.
 
split said:
Ok so lets say, you have 15$ an hour and the minimum is going up to 15$. Now youre making the minimum.. what would you want next. Would you think its fair for you? Wouldnt you want to have the raise to?
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The trickle up effect will happen as the more experienced person will demand more that the new guy with the same wage, everyone in your company will also want that increase, and some people do not think it will effect the cost of goods, Bahahahahahaha. Same with the carbon tax, some will say only the polluters and big business will have to pay, wake up the cost will all be charged to us, no business will eat the tax.
 
NemesisBob said:
Wonder how long it will take this backward province to realize $11/hour is not a living wage.
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it is not supposed to be a living wage, it is meant for students, beginners in the workforce, second job. If you are only able to have a min wage job all your life it should not be anyone elses problem, take night courses, try harder at work, there are many grants available for low income earners to further educate themselves and advance in the workforce, just need to get off your ass and apply yourself.
 
NemesisBob said:
That has nothing to do with a $15/ minimum wage, it will happen @ $11 or $15/hour just the same. And prices rising with a $15 minimum wage is untrue. Wonder how long it will take this backward province to realize $11/hour is not a living wage.
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So go work harder and get a better job. Minimum wage is paid for minimum skills. Students, side-jobs, part-time, skill-less people. You're not supposed to be living on it. People are so stupid and jealous of others that they don't want to accept the fact that some people have worked tirelessly and made a lot of sacrifices to be where they're at. "Everyone should be paid well and live a comfortable life." That's not how it will ever work... Even if we didn't live in the complex economic systems that we are currently in, the ones that always succeeded and were able to have more were the ones that woke up the earliest, went to bed latest, worked the hardest, made the sacrifices and/or came up with new ideas and discoveries.
 
NemesisBob said:
That has nothing to do with a $15/ minimum wage, it will happen @ $11 or $15/hour just the same. And prices rising with a $15 minimum wage is untrue. Wonder how long it will take this backward province to realize $11/hour is not a living wage.
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split said:
Ok so lets say, you have 15$ an hour and the minimum is going up to 15$. Now youre making the minimum.. what would you want next. Would you think its fair for you? Wouldnt you want to have the raise to?
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As aforementioned and to reiterate the last few posts ahead of mine: minimum wage is meant as a placeholder "in between" jobs or when you're a student or forced to work part time for any reason including maternity.

It's not meant to make a living and raise a family of four.

But it's probably meant for people with limited physical and/or mental abilities so that they can have a job without some corporation (or PME, or private) taking advantage of them by lowballing their salary.

It's also probably meant so that immigrants can't come into the country and lowball regular candidates for low paying jobs. As in "I will tend your cash for 8$/hour instead of 11..." (which of course we all know still happens incessantly as they are often paid cash - and not only immigrants.)

Anyone that is raised to think that they can live on minimum wage should have their parents shot in the head behind an alley.
 
lord_galathon said:
As aforementioned and to reiterate the last few posts ahead of mine: minimum wage is meant as a placeholder "in between" jobs or when you're a student or forced to work part time for any reason including maternity.

It's not meant to make a living and raise a family of four.

But it's probably meant for people with limited physical and/or mental abilities so that they can have a job without some corporation (or PME, or private) taking advantage of them by lowballing their salary.

It's also probably meant so that immigrants can't come into the country and lowball regular candidates for low paying jobs. As in "I will tend your cash for 8$/hour instead of 11..." (which of course we all know still happens incessantly as they are often paid cash - and not only immigrants.)

Anyone that is raised to think that they can live on minimum wage should have their parents shot in the head behind an alley.
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BoxsterBoy said:
^^ Damn, I can't give multiple likes.
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Tabarnak c est un commentaire digne de la 2 e mondiale ca. Zhe italian est vraimmmment pas content.
 
split said:
Ok so lets say, you have 15$ an hour and the minimum is going up to 15$. Now youre making the minimum.. what would you want next. Would you think its fair for you? Wouldnt you want to have the raise to?
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And I can't agree more to this as well.

Since the start, THIS is my main question... The guy that works there for 3 years and managed to get a raise to 15.25$/h, what happens to him? He's fucked and stays there? If that's the case, his buying power is DECREASING because the raise from 11$ to 15$ will have an effect on the prices he pays on mostly everything.

Good companies will do something like:

11$ -> 15$
12$ -> 16$
13$ -> 16.75$
14$ -> 17.5$
15$ -> 18$
16$ -> 18.5$
17$ -> 19$
18$ -> ???

Even at 20$... You were 10$ over minwage and now you're just at 5$...


Fuckers be like:


11$ -> 15$
12$ -> 15$
13$ -> 15$
14$ -> 15$
15$ -> 15$
16$ -> 16$
17$ -> 17$
 
lord_galathon said:
As aforementioned and to reiterate the last few posts ahead of mine: minimum wage is meant as a placeholder "in between" jobs or when you're a student or forced to work part time for any reason including maternity.

It's not meant to make a living and raise a family of four.

But it's probably meant for people with limited physical and/or mental abilities so that they can have a job without some corporation (or PME, or private) taking advantage of them by lowballing their salary.

It's also probably meant so that immigrants can't come into the country and lowball regular candidates for low paying jobs. As in "I will tend your cash for 8$/hour instead of 11..." (which of course we all know still happens incessantly as they are often paid cash - and not only immigrants.)

Anyone that is raised to think that they can live on minimum wage should have their parents shot in the head behind an alley.
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Ce sont les plus démunis de la société (jeune, retraités, handicappés physiques ou mentaux, nouveaux arrivants) qui ont le plus besoin de jobs au salaire minimum. Comme tu l'as dit, c'est supposé être des jobs temporaires pour dépanner, prendre de l'expérience ou pour un revenu d'appoint dans le cas de jeunes de 15 ans ou de vieux de 70 ans.

Faire monter le salaire minimum, ca va faire disparaitre ces jobs et/ou faire monter la barrière à l'entrée. Un employeur va y penser à deux fois avant d'engager un handicappé mental à $15/h.

Encore une fois, les attardés de la gauche ne voient pas que les premières victimes de leur "justice sociale" c'est les plus faibles de la société. Ironique mais la route vers l'enfer est pavée de bonnes intentions.
 
Et mon autre argument du début du thread était que j'ai peur au school dropouts...

"Eille Big, moé, m'en vo worker à 15$/h, c'est 30,000$ par année so, ak ma blonde on pète le 60,000$ big, on va être riche en tabarnak."


Un autre ostide beau plan de bozo du gouvernement pour garder de bons petits moutons en bas de l'échelle... Mais ça les ti criss de moutons s'en sont même pas rendu compte encore.
 
BoxsterBoy said:
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Fuckers be like:


11$ -> 15$
12$ -> 15$
13$ -> 15$
14$ -> 15$
15$ -> 15$
16$ -> 16$
17$ -> 17$
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Not fuckers. ALL companies will work that way. We just had a raise to 11.25$/hour a month ago that's 50¢/hour raise for everyone except people that already made 11.25$. They must be fucking ecstatic at this turn of events.

HISTORIQUE DU SALAIRE MINIMUM AU QUÉBEC
Date Salaire Minimum Salaire à pourboire
1er mai 2017 11,25 $ 9,45 $
1er mai 2016 10,75 $ 9,20 $
1er mai 2015 10,55 $ 9,05 $
1er mai 2014 10,35 $ 8,90 $
1er mai 2013 10,15 $ 8,75 $
1er mai 2012 9,90 $ 8,55$
1er mai 2011 9,65 $ 8,35$
1er mai 2010 9,50 $ 8,25$
1er mai 2009 9,00 $ 8,00$
1er mai 2008 8,50 $ 7,75$
1er mai 2007 8,00 $ 7,25$
1er mai 2006 7,75 $ 7,00$
1er mai 2005 7,60 $ 6,85$
1er mai 2004 7,45 $ 6,70$
1er janvier 2004 7,30 $ 6,55$
1er mai 2003 7,30 $ 6,55$
1er février 2003 7,30 $ 6,55$
1er octobre 2002 7,20 $ 6,45$
1er février 2001 7,00 $ 6,25$
1er octobre 2000 6,90 $ 6,15$
1er octobre 1999 6,90 $ 6,15$
1er octobre 1998 6,90 $ 6,15$
1er octobre 1997 6,80 $ 6,05$
1er octobre 1996 6,70 $ 5,95$
1er octobre 1995 6,45 $ 5,73$
1er octobre 1994 6,00 $ 5,28$
1er octobre 1993 5,85 $ 5,13$
1er octobre 1992 5,70 $ 5,00$
1er octobre 1991 5,55 $ 4,83$
1er octobre 1990 5,30 $ 4,58$
1er octobre 1989 5,00 $ 4,28$
1er octobre 1988 4,75 $ 4,03$
1er octobre 1987 4,55 $ 3,83$

[edit] for reference my first job as a student - I worked 2x 8h/day during the weekends, made 4.55$/hour for a total of ~70$/week. I was a total badass baller.
 
Pas drole pareil ein se pogner avec quelquun pour lui expliquer que l augemtation drastique du salaire minimum fera plus de mal que de bien...C est vraiment pas drole etre obligé de repeter 5 fois avant qu'ils ''comprenent''.
 
SolTNutz said:
Really? Lets say you own a restaurant and employ 15 people, each person gets a $3.25 raise, that is $48.75 per hr and you are open 17 hrs a day that is $828.74 per day out of your pocket, add that the person who is selling you his product is charging an extra 5% due to having to pay his workers more so lets just round this up to $1,000.00 a day. Are you going to eat this cost? Serious.
And that is not even adding the extra CPP and whatever else the employer pays to the government.
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You need to do more research. This has already taken place in BC, AB, Seattle etc. Your scenario was not the result. In Vancouver I remember reading a resto owner raised salaries 25% to the new minimum, raised his menu prices 20% and advertised no more tipping required. Sales consequently went up.


SolTNutz said:
The trickle up effect will happen as the more experienced person will demand more that the new guy with the same wage, everyone in your company will also want that increase, and some people do not think it will effect the cost of goods, Bahahahahahaha. Same with the carbon tax, some will say only the polluters and big business will have to pay, wake up the cost will all be charged to us, no business will eat the tax.
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More baloney. This won't happen overnight but over the course of 2-3 years, the guy making $15/hour today will be making more in 2-3 years. You are also free to ask for a raise no matter what your salary is, if you don't get one and you think you are truly worthy of it and not because the next guy is making $15 then it's up to you to move on.


SolTNutz said:
it is not supposed to be a living wage, it is meant for students, beginners in the workforce, second job. If you are only able to have a min wage job all your life it should not be anyone elses problem, take night courses, try harder at work, there are many grants available for low income earners to further educate themselves and advance in the workforce, just need to get off your ass and apply yourself.
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darkestfenix said:
So go work harder and get a better job. Minimum wage is paid for minimum skills. Students, side-jobs, part-time, skill-less people. You're not supposed to be living on it. People are so stupid and jealous of others that they don't want to accept the fact that some people have worked tirelessly and made a lot of sacrifices to be where they're at. "Everyone should be paid well and live a comfortable life." That's not how it will ever work... Even if we didn't live in the complex economic systems that we are currently in, the ones that always succeeded and were able to have more were the ones that woke up the earliest, went to bed latest, worked the hardest, made the sacrifices and/or came up with new ideas and discoveries.
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I don't live in a 3rd world country and it doesn't matter who you are it's 2017, it's Canada and everyone should be paid a living wage and have a minimum standard of living no matter what level of experience or age. There are all sorts of people in society, some are successful, some are not. One in 69 is diagnosed with autism and rising, some people have PPD, some have ASD, some are not go-getters, some aren't as ambitious as others. I can go on and on, what is the point of exploiting these people and not pay them a fair wage. There are people advocating a minimum basic income, see Mark Zuckerberg speech.
 
theoutsider said:
Pas drole pareil ein se pogner avec quelquun pour lui expliquer que l augemtation drastique du salaire minimum fera plus de mal que de bien...C est vraiment pas drole etre obligé de repeter 5 fois avant qu'ils ''comprenent''.
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Because : "Moé là... Moé là... Moé là...Tel dit moé... Moé là... Ben voyons, kessé j'voulais dire moé donc?"
 
Lol, I say fuck it, authorize everything. Weed, coke, 25$ h min, salary, change your sex like you change mags, errrthyng Toute, la poud, toute. Let society desintegrate and keep the real human being that has any values.

Filtration des mauvais genes, probleme de pollution reduit.....WOW!! Its about time that some cleansing happends. Ca a toujours ete, catastrophes, maladie, etc....On approche le 8 milliard....tic tac tic tac.
 
BoxsterBoy said:
Because : "Moé là... Moé là... Moé là...Tel dit moé... Moé là... Ben voyons, kessé j'voulais dire moé donc?"
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A mon grand regret et amertume, je me pogne 3 fois l,an avec ma soeur la dessus. Aux grandes fetes. Shes a university diploma, im just a ''professionnal''. Calisse de pelleteux de nuages.
 
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