exhaust system ticket

They don't give exhaust ticket to loud vehicules, they give exhaust ticket for the looks of a "sport/modified" exhaust system, otherwise tons of rusty car/minivans with broken exhaust would be getting these tickets but it never happens.

Rusty vehicule won't be to loud ticket but " non conforme" since the sound come from failure in the system...but yes they will never receive a ticket for that

But most of the time they don't give a to loud ticket since they dont have reference standard and adequate measurment systeme

They try to revert to "non conforme" system checking the physical spec
 
i'm shocked to see people in a car forum tell someone to pay his ticket cause he modded his car . Since when modding a muffler affects the security of anyone. You have Harley bikes who make retarded noise but that's legal cause its factory.

I hope OP wins his case even if he's running no mufflers , no resonators and no converter .

As for his defense , why would he even need to mention that his muffler is changed , everything is original mr judge , it's not like the cop has any proof that he changed his muffler .

Also even if he changed the muffler , it's an aftermarket muffler that respects factory parameters . Again the officer has no proof of the contrary .
 
i'm shocked to see people in a car forum tell someone to pay his ticket cause he modded his car . Since when modding a muffler affects the security of anyone. You have Harley bikes who make retarded noise but that's legal cause its factory.

I hope OP wins his case even if he's running no mufflers , no resonators and no converter .

As for his defense , why would he even need to mention that his muffler is changed , everything is original mr judge , it's not like the cop has any proof that he changed his muffler .

Also even if he changed the muffler , it's an aftermarket muffler that respects factory parameters . Again the officer has no proof of the contrary .

Were not telling him to pay because he modded his car....but rather because he knowingly did it in a way where he's not supposed to and got caught. Forget about security issues that wont change anything, the fact is that the law currently doesn't allow certain types of mods whether you think it makes sense or not.

Also, in court he can't just answer "no it's not modded", he has to prove it. The cop doesn't have to prove anything, it's up to you to prove the opposite if you want to get the ticket cancelled.
 
Were not telling him to pay because he modded his car....but rather because he knowingly did it in a way where he's not supposed to and got caught. Forget about security issues that wont change anything, the fact is that the law currently doesn't allow certain types of mods whether you think it makes sense or not.

Also, in court he can't just answer "no it's not modded", he has to prove it. The cop doesn't have to prove anything, it's up to you to prove the opposite if you want to get the ticket cancelled.

CuddlyJen you have the justice system in reverse we are not in the usa or other country

The defendant doesn't have to prove anything ... it the crown responsabilty to have a valid proof

if the crown just say hey it's illegal she as to have proof of it

But it help alot to have reverse proof ...

Exemple 1

Court say you did X,Y,Z ... no proof at all
on that days you where on the other side of the planet ... you don't have to provide any plane ticket or nothing to confirm your non presence ...
You could just stand there with your new tan and ask the judge... where ia the evidence i was there
justice system is not what you know, but what you can prove


That why sometime if the judge ask you if you did it you just say nothing (they are fishing for you own demise) ...you just ask if the crown can prove it..

And modding car is not illegal... having a muffler that is more noisy is illegal.... having a muffler that sound like a RICER is not illegal if it's NOT louder but it's bad taste
 
Were not telling him to pay because he modded his car....but rather because he knowingly did it in a way where he's not supposed to and got caught. Forget about security issues that wont change anything, the fact is that the law currently doesn't allow certain types of mods whether you think it makes sense or not.

Also, in court he can't just answer "no it's not modded", he has to prove it. The cop doesn't have to prove anything, it's up to you to prove the opposite if you want to get the ticket cancelled.

c'est la job du procureur de prouver que ton échappement est modifier et que cela l'empêche de satisfaire les normes établis par la SAAQ pour les échappements.
 
c'est la job du procureur de prouver que ton échappement est modifier et que cela l'empêche de satisfaire les normes établis par la SAAQ pour les échappements.

Le rapport de police (voir la divulgation de la preuve) est leur "preuve" que ton echapement n'est pas conforme. Le policier n'a meme pas besoin d'etre present en cour. Tous ses details sont dans ce document et generalement il est assez complet.

Malheureusement OP nous a pas donner l'info qui se trouve sur celle ci.

Une fois le procureur presentera cette preuve, ce sera a toi de prouver qu'ils ont fait erreur. Simplement repondre "non j'l'ai pas changer mon exhaust" ne te menera nule part.
Et tu peux etre sur qu'ils vont te demander s'il a ete changé, s'il est OEM, etc....
 
Note que tu peux tomber sur un policier qui a mal rempli son rapport et la c'est sur sa cause ne tiendra pas et tu pourras t'en sortir sans dire un seul mot....mais je suis pas sure ca arrive souvent ca.
 
Comme ça a été dit précédemment, ce n'est pas au OP à prouver quoi que ce soit. D'après ce qu'il dit, le policier à mesurer la dimension de son silencieux... point. À ce que je sache, il n'y a rien dans la loi qui régis la dimension du silencieux, alors ca ne sert à rien. L'impression de bruit, ca n'a aucun poids en court, même venant d'un expert.

Le seul argument pour les policiers qui tiens en court c'est de démontrer que le silencieux d'origine a une chambre de résonance, tandis que le silencieux installé est de type "résonateur". Encore la ça prend toutes les preuves à l'appui et un expert pour expliquer le principe de différence de construction. Et même à ça, des gens sur le forum ici ont gagné des causes avec des preuves similaires contre eux.

Personnellement j'ai gagné ma cause (qui ressemblais à celle de l'OP). Pas assé de preuve du policier, juriceprudence en appui avec ma cause et that's it. Il n'a jamais été question de "remplacé" ou de OEM...

Anyway la date est déjà passé, je serais curieux d'avoir le feedback du OP
 
i'm shocked to see people in a car forum tell someone to pay his ticket cause he modded his car . Since when modding a muffler affects the security of anyone. You have Harley bikes who make retarded noise but that's legal cause its factory .

You realize bikes get pulled over as much as cars? Lots of brand new Harleys leave the dealership with aftermarket pipes, they're not very loud stock.

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Le rapport de police (voir la divulgation de la preuve) est leur "preuve" que ton echapement n'est pas conforme. Le policier n'a meme pas besoin d'etre present en cour. Tous ses details sont dans ce document et generalement il est assez complet.

Malheureusement OP nous a pas donner l'info qui se trouve sur celle ci.

Une fois le procureur presentera cette preuve, ce sera a toi de prouver qu'ils ont fait erreur. Simplement repondre "non j'l'ai pas changer mon exhaust" ne te menera nule part.
Et tu peux etre sur qu'ils vont te demander s'il a ete changé, s'il est OEM, etc....

Write on his ticket "the muffler is illegal" is not a proof . An actual proof for example would be to do a sound test and see if the muffler respect the parameters set. It's like a cop putting you in jail for DUI without doing the alco test , his proof is "he looks drunk" . That's not how the court system works .

Also if the cop doesn't show up in court it's an automatic win for the accused no matter how detailed his "proof" is . The crown will try to proceed but the judge will flat out tell him the cop is not here you can't .
 
Write on his ticket "the muffler is illegal" is not a proof . An actual proof for example would be to do a sound test and see if the muffler respect the parameters set. It's like a cop putting you in jail for DUI without doing the alco test , his proof is "he looks drunk" . That's not how the court system works .

Also if the cop doesn't show up in court it's an automatic win for the accused no matter how detailed his "proof" is . The crown will try to proceed but the judge will flat out tell him the cop is not here you can't .


https://www.educaloi.qc.ca/capsules/la-contestation-dune-contravention

Le policier sera-t-il présent au procès?

Le policier sera présent au procès si le poursuivant décide qu'il est nécessaire qu'il soit questionné devant le juge.

Le policier n'est donc pas obligé d'être présent puisque le constat qu'il a délivré ou le rapport d'infraction qu'il a rédigé ont la même valeur que s'il venait en Cour dire la même chose de vive voix.

Le poursuivant peut donc décider que le constat (ou le rapport) suffit et que la présence en Cour du policier n'est pas nécessaire. D'ailleurs, les policiers viennent rarement en Cour pour témoigner sur des contraventions.

Si la présence du policier vous semble essentielle, c'est-à-dire que vous avez besoin de lui poser des questions pour bien vous défendre, vous devez l'exiger à l'avance. Le poursuivant s'assurera alors de sa présence.

Attention! Si le juge est d'avis que le constat (ou le rapport) du policier suffisait et que sa présence en Cour n'était pas nécessaire, ce qui est souvent le cas, contrairement à la croyance populaire, il peut vous condamner à payer des frais supplémentaires.
 
Ce doit être la pire section sur MR pour avoir des conseils.

Oui on peux (facilement) gagner un constat d'infraction d'échappement illégale, non suivez pas les conseils que vous lisez ici.
 
Ce doit être la pire section sur MR pour avoir des conseils.

Oui on peux (facilement) gagner un constat d'infraction d'échappement illégale, non suivez pas les conseils que vous lisez ici.


J'aime bien se genre de personalité..

ce n'est pas bon blah blah ....

Mais ne donne aucun commentaire sur se qui est mauvais et n'amene aucune correction ou meilleur options

Très utiles comme commentaire
 
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