Stirl_ae86
Legacy Member
Why did no one complain when this was happening under the Obama administration? Because there were less of them being held?
Donald John Trump is no longer president: what does it mean for you?
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Stirl_ae86
Legacy Member
If you think about it for 2 seconds, the answer will be quite obvious.
Obama had similar travel bans on "Muslim countries" too, but as soon as Trump did it, it was racist, xenophobic, whatever...
Starting to make sense?
Ronin
Legacy Member
If you think about anything for just 2 seconds you'll come up with ridiculous posts like yours...
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery
That zero tolerance policy is what created the systematic separation of kids from parents. They created the crisis, they pretend to have fix it.
Never let a good crisis go to waste
-No politician ever...
The law has existed for a long time, and in essence, if you're charged with a crime (regardless of if you're American or illegal or wtv the type of crime) you go to jail until you appear before court and obviously your child doesn't accompany you to jail.
So that's fine and a normal application of the law.
What's changed is that since april the justice department has enacted a "zero tolerance" policy initiated by Jeff Session/Trump. Previously someone that illegally crossed the border wouldn't normally be charged with a criminal offense and would go through the court procedings to determine if they are eligible for asylum. The new policy is that everyone get's automatically charged criminally for illegally crossing the border and thus everyone get's their children taken away.
There are even stories of people doing it the official way at a border crossing that still have their kids taken away because "they don't have sufficient proof that is their child"
So for Trump to say it's not his fault is bullshit because his direct decision to apply zero tolerance is the reason why the kids are being separated. Again can't take the blame for anything.
So that's fine and a normal application of the law.
What's changed is that since april the justice department has enacted a "zero tolerance" policy initiated by Jeff Session/Trump. Previously someone that illegally crossed the border wouldn't normally be charged with a criminal offense and would go through the court procedings to determine if they are eligible for asylum. The new policy is that everyone get's automatically charged criminally for illegally crossing the border and thus everyone get's their children taken away.
There are even stories of people doing it the official way at a border crossing that still have their kids taken away because "they don't have sufficient proof that is their child"
So for Trump to say it's not his fault is bullshit because his direct decision to apply zero tolerance is the reason why the kids are being separated. Again can't take the blame for anything.
Stirl_ae86
Legacy Member
Thanks for clarifying that.
Would you agree that they did this with the hopes that it would deter people from illegally crossing the border? Or Trump's just an evil bastard that loves tearing families apart?
I have no problem with them justifying the policy as a deterrent, whether it's an effective deterrent is up for debate. I just can't stand the fact that they won't ever take responsibility for their policies.
250Rocket
Well-known member
Typically I'd agree with you except the deficits around the world and especially the US are so far past the point of return, at this point you go petal to the metal until it inevitably crashes. Any historian knows the ultimate result of fiat currency is implosion, so why not print to your hearts content and spend those green paper rectangles that people are willing to trade their blood sweat and tears for before they're not worth the paper they're printed on. If Trump was the one responsible for the entirety of it, sure he deserves to be heavily criticized but he inherited about $18B
Barring that, if you wanted to keep up this financial charade, you cut military spending on occupation of hundreds of bases around the world and bring troops home and the money you spend on deployment now goes to new tech.
To your other points, in this day and age with companies specifically seeking out safe returns on R&D for investor sake, seldom will they take huge risks for a market that's thoroughly indebted and wouldn't be able to buy it.
About being top secret and it never seeing the light of day, is your microwave classified? What about the jet engines on just about every single 100+ seat airplane? Last time you bought tires, were they cheaper because we have synthetic rubber compounds. And when you hop in the car and have to drive somewhere you're not familiar with, are you using a printed map or GPS. If you're baller enough it will be built in along side the night vision tech for spotting animals in the road at night.
I hate taxes and government spending but there are some things that take a lot of money to see the light of day. They would never make it to market, or even be started if a company relied on the public to buy the product. If it's not 100% government thru the military then it's subsides to get the ball rolling like on solar panels which would have never been adopted otherwise.
Dibbs
Active member
fake news gonna fake news
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html
HeavyMetal
New member
Obama est Noir, Musulman et homosexuel. À cause de tous ces attributs, il ne peut porter les étiquettes de raciste, de xénophobe et d'homophobe même s'il a agit de la même façon que Trump fait en ce moment.
Ronin
Legacy Member
It's a missleading picture, doesn't make the news fake but yeah...
Broody
Well-known member
18k B, not 18B
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known member
Les audios des enfants qui pleurent leurs parents et les photos comme celle de la petite fille avec son chandail rose sont vrais.
Stirl_ae86
Legacy Member
Yes, there were major differences, I only said they were similar. One thing I think that's worth noting is that the Obama administration did not report their ban and either did a good job hiding it from the media, or the media was just not interested in reporting it. From what was claimed to be the most transparent President in history. If Trump had done the same, he would be crucified as we've seen time and time again.
The one thing I did learn from that link is that Trump never actually listed any countries for the ban, those countries had been identified as a potential threat by the previous administration. Why do you think Obama had removed travel privileges from people who had traveled through those countries? Because those countries pose a potential threat.
In the end I think Trump was simply attempting to get a point across; the US will be tough on terrorism. The execution may have been flawed, especially if those stories of people being denied entry because the law came into effect while they were mid-flight are true, but the media shitstorm was a lot of drama over nothing.
lord_galathon
Well-known member
Whether you win by a cm or by a km a win is a win. -Eddie Irvine
Sauf que je doute fort que la police ait vraiment mis des enfants dans des cages a chien, ce que plein de matantes croient est 100% full vrai grace a certaines fausses photos.
Either way, en principe c'est fini.
PsychoBandito
New member
That article explains that it was taken out of context. Did you even read it?
