Donald John Trump is no longer president: what does it mean for you?

-Il y a des républicains prêts à voter démocrate pour se débarasser de Trump (voir le Lincoln Project)
-Les imbéciles font déjà partie de sa base.
-Les fermiers ont été les grand perdants de sa guerre commerciale avec la Chine.
-C'est peut-être l'endroit où les républicains se tirent le plus dans le pied. Les latinos sont religieux et moralement conservateurs en plus de connaître une croissance démographique. AU lieu d'Essayer de les attirer, ils font campagne sur la peur des immigrants et la fermeture des frontières.
-Les évangélistes ne changeront jamais d'idée mais ça serait intéressant de voir leur véritable poids démographique.

Le Lincoln Project (et autres républicains dans leur genre) sont des Never Trumper depuis 2016, ils n'ont jamais votés pour lui donc il n'a rien perdu de ce côté-là. La grosse question avec Trump c'est combien de votes va-t-il réellement perdus depuis 2016? Il a réussi à garder son bloc de 35-40% et ils sont full énergisés à voter quand on voit l'enthousiasme pour ses rallyes.

Les latinos ne sont pas un bloc monolithique. Les mexicains de la Californie ne votent pas pour lui? Who cares, il n'a aucune chance en Californie de toute façon. Il a fait des gains chez les cubains en Floride cependant, et ça, ça pourrait lui donner la victoire dans un état qu’il a absolument besoin.
 
Je comprends tout ça, mais esti, ils sont ''bucké'' sur leur idéologie et incapable d'ouvertement critiquer l'administration Trump de son cafouillage.

J'écoutais sur PBS l'autre jour le reportage des fermes laitières au Wisconsin et de la catastrophe économique de ce milieu depuis 2016 et malgré que Trump y soit impliqué directement, bah ils se disent qu'ils ne voteront pas pour un socialiste lol.
L'ironie c'est qu'un bailout gouvernemental de 28 Milliards pour les fermiers, c'est la définition même du socialisme.
 
Je comprends tout ça, mais esti, ils sont ''bucké'' sur leur idéologie et incapable d'ouvertement critiquer l'administration Trump de son cafouillage.

J'écoutais sur PBS l'autre jour le reportage des fermes laitières au Wisconsin et de la catastrophe économique de ce milieu depuis 2016 et malgré que Trump y soit impliqué directement, bah ils se disent qu'ils ne voteront pas pour un socialiste lol.

Les évangelistes ont gagné des dizaines de millions d'adeptes depuis 2016 et ce sont des gens en âge de voter...

Pas mal de républicain sont pas fan de Trump, mais les démocrate c'est tellement n'importe quoi qu'ils vont voter pour trump quand même. Si les democrates avaient pousser un candidat plus modéré ils auraient sorti Trump facilement.
 
L'ironie c'est qu'un bailout gouvernemental de 28 Milliards pour les fermiers, c'est la définition même du socialisme.

Ils sont anti-socialistes quand ça leur chante... Pour eux, ce n'est pas du socialisme, mais un appuie financier patriotique.

Le plus drôle est que le 28Milliards va aller majoritairement aux grandes sociétés fermières financé par des chinois lewl

Triste pour la petite ferme laitière
 


A non deranged, left leaning journalist puts it into perspective very well.

What people fail to understand is most don't like Trump for who he is, they like him for what he stands for and what he's doing.

I don't like his attitude, I hate the way he speaks (constant hyperbole), he fails to capitalize on easy wins and opens himself up to unnecessary criticism when he knows the media grills him on everything, justified or unjustified, but he's getting the job done.

We have the perfect counter example here in Canada, all show no go Trudeau. He's swooned over for his charm and looks but he's worse than useless and is actively ruining Canada.
 
Now this is actual disinformation. NBC dug up some weird Hunter Biden decoy story that nobody has ever heard of and is pretending that it's the real Hunter Biden story and they've debunked it. This has no relation whatsoever to the NY Post story that has yet to have a single element of it debunked.

You’ve got this odd it’s all true / it’s all lies type of dichotomy going on in most of your posts.

I think the reality is more nuanced than you make it out to be.
 
You’ve got this odd it’s all true / it’s all lies type of dichotomy going on in most of your posts.

I think the reality is more nuanced than you make it out to be.

Discussing nuance with the likes of Brust is less productive than hitting your head against a wall.

So resorting to high level true/false is the only sane way to get the information out there.
 
Discussing nuance with the likes of Brust is less productive than hitting your head against a wall.

So resorting to high level true/false is the only sane way to get the information out there.

The irony if that we can say the same of you. Everytime we submit you clear evidence, you pull out the "fake news, hoax" card.
 

That's a lot of hoopla over some editorial in the Times. At the time Miles described Trump as, ‘impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.’
Which, if any, of these qualifiers would you like to dispute? I'd say he was pretty on point.

People are upset that he wouldn't take credit on a hit piece that would likely get him fired? Is that really the big story here? It's like a witch hunt of sorts...
Typical tabloid piece.

I couldn't read the whole WSJ articles but it's not unexpected. That's what you get when you pay someone (steele) to dig some dirt. Some potentially less than reliable information. And sure, whoever wanted the information very much wanted it to be true / to be believed so they spun it hard.

I don't think Turkey has any pee tapes kind of leverage but they've certainly done well under Trump's administration. It comes back to his self disclosed "minor conflict of interest" back in 2015.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/us/politics/trump-erdogan-halkbank.html

Six months earlier, Matthew G. Whitaker, the acting attorney general who ran the department from November 2018 until Mr. Barr arrived in February 2019, rejected a request from Mr. Berman for permission to file criminal charges against the bank, two lawyers involved in the investigation said. Mr. Whitaker blocked the move shortly after Mr. Erdogan repeatedly pressed Mr. Trump in a series of conversations in November and December 2018 to resolve the Halkbank matter.

The president’s apparent eagerness to please Mr. Erdogan has drawn scrutiny for years. So has the scale and intensity of the lobbying effort by Turkey on issues like its demand for the extradition of one of Mr. Erdogan’s political rivals, a Turkish religious leader living in self-imposed exile in the United States. Mr. Erdogan had a big political stake in the outcome, because the case had become a major embarrassment for him in Turkey.
 
C’est drôle de vous voir vous obstiner pour le sort électoral d’un pays étranger.

Peu importe qui va gagner, les US sont un shithole. La Chine est la plus grande puissance mondiale maintenant. La domination des imbéciles d’américains est finie, et ça va continuer sur la pente descendante pour les années à venir.
 
C’est drôle de vous voir vous obstiner pour le sort électoral d’un pays étranger.

Peu importe qui va gagner, les US sont un shithole. La Chine est la plus grande puissance mondiale maintenant. La domination des imbéciles d’américains est finie, et ça va continuer sur la pente descendante pour les années à venir.

J'aimerais bien le croire mais...
 
C’est drôle de vous voir vous obstiner pour le sort électoral d’un pays étranger.

Peu importe qui va gagner, les US sont un shithole. La Chine est la plus grande puissance mondiale maintenant. La domination des imbéciles d’américains est finie, et ça va continuer sur la pente descendante pour les années à venir.

Perso qui va gagner les prochaines élections en Espagne, c'est pas d'intérêt. Le sort du pays a 2h de chez nous? Pas mal plus.

Notre qualité de vie / pouvoir d'achat / sécurité et standing dans le monde est fortement liée avec ce qui se passe l'autre bord. Y'a un certain niveau de self-interest la dedans.

La distinction est plus grande dans le Canada Français, mais dans le Canada Anglais, y'a une certain homogénéité culturelle et idéologique qui dépends largement de ce qui se passe l'autre bord. Même dans le thread ici, tu peux faire un lien entre langue et prise de position.
 
Perso qui va gagner les prochaines élections en Espagne, c'est pas d'intérêt. Le sort du pays a 2h de chez nous? Pas mal plus.

Notre qualité de vie / pouvoir d'achat / sécurité et standing dans le monde est fortement liée avec ce qui se passe l'autre bord. Y'a un certain niveau de self-interest la dedans.

Surtout que c'est notre plus gros partenaire commercial. Si le président des États-Unis décide d'appliquer des tarrifs sur les exportations canadiennes, ça affecte des milliers d'emplois.
 
Surtout que c'est notre plus gros partenaire commercial. Si le président des États-Unis décide d'appliquer des tarrifs sur les exportations canadiennes, ça affecte des milliers d'emplois.

Ouais, mais si ils "own" les libs en le faisant, c'est tiguidoo! Des tarifs de "sécurité nationale" ça un certain cachet, non?
 
That's a lot of hoopla over some editorial in the Times. At the time Miles described Trump as, ‘impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.’
Which, if any, of these qualifiers would you like to dispute? I'd say he was pretty on point.

People are upset that he wouldn't take credit on a hit piece that would likely get him fired? Is that really the big story here? It's like a witch hunt of sorts...
Typical tabloid piece.

I couldn't read the whole WSJ articles but it's not unexpected. That's what you get when you pay someone (steele) to dig some dirt. Some potentially less than reliable information. And sure, whoever wanted the information very much wanted it to be true / to be believed so they spun it hard.

I don't think Turkey has any pee tapes kind of leverage but they've certainly done well under Trump's administration. It comes back to his self disclosed "minor conflict of interest" back in 2015.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/us/politics/trump-erdogan-halkbank.html


^actually they weren't that "nice" with Turkey, that decided to go with the russian s-400 instead of waiting for the Americans to sell their patriot or whatever defensive system, all this while being one of the biggest partners of the US in regards to the F-35 program, the message was clear from the us admin., if you get the s-400 (us doesn't like them having too close to the f35) you wont get the f-35's, than Trump said if they try to do anything about it in regards to their dealings with the US, he'll sanction the shit out of them... so they didn't do shit... their pilots got put on a plane while in training on the F-35 in the states and returned to Turkey which isn't getting any of the jets...
 
Ouais, mais si ils "own" les libs en le faisant, c'est tiguidoo! Des tarifs de "sécurité nationale" ça un certain cachet, non?

La joke c'est que l'industrie métallurgique américaine n'était toujours plus chère même après l'application des tarrifs sur les produits importés. Tout ce que ça a donné, c'est de hausser le coût des matières premières pour les manufacturiers américains.
 
^actually they weren't that "nice" with Turkey, that decided to go with the russian s-400 instead of waiting for the Americans to sell their patriot or whatever defensive system, all this while being one of the biggest partners of the US in regards to the F-35 program, the message was clear from the us admin., if you get the s-400 you wont get the f-35's, than Trump said if they try to do anything about it in regards to their dealings with the US, he'll sanction the shit out of them... so they didn't do shit... their pilots got put on a plane while in training on the F-35 in the states and returned to Turkey which isn't getting any of the planes...

Turkey being a Nato ally is a remnant of the Cold War that fucks us. Culturally and ideologically we're worlds apart but from a geopolitical point of view they still have a strong hand. Them inching closer and closer to the Russian (s400 purchase) is just a power play to keep the west in check. The U.S ducked tail and served up the kurds on a silver platter. It would've been nice to have a POTUS conduct Nation to Nation diplomacy without worrying about their own economic interest in that country / region.

That's the most ironic aspect of an "America First" approach when you consider the extensive foreign assets of their head of state.

Do as I say, not as I do.
 
That's a lot of hoopla over some editorial in the Times. At the time Miles described Trump as, ‘impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.’
Which, if any, of these qualifiers would you like to dispute? I'd say he was pretty on point.

People are upset that he wouldn't take credit on a hit piece that would likely get him fired? Is that really the big story here? It's like a witch hunt of sorts...
Typical tabloid piece.

I couldn't read the whole WSJ articles but it's not unexpected. That's what you get when you pay someone (steele) to dig some dirt. Some potentially less than reliable information. And sure, whoever wanted the information very much wanted it to be true / to be believed so they spun it hard.

I don't think Turkey has any pee tapes kind of leverage but they've certainly done well under Trump's administration. It comes back to his self disclosed "minor conflict of interest" back in 2015.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/us/politics/trump-erdogan-halkbank.html

For Miles, there are two points. One, the NYT either didn't do their due diligence or they helped the lie when they allowed it to come out as a "top official". If it was published as "a low level worker of the Trump admin", the importance of the story quickly fades. They built it up like it was Pence who wrote it when really he was some low to mid level schmuck that only became Chief of staff to a department after the article. Then he lied to CNN when they asked him if he was the source yet they won't fire him now. The left protects their own on all fronts.

The WSJ, I didn't see the full article either but it was to show the fact that the main sources were all shit. Yes, spinners gonna spin, especially if paid but as a result I ask; why was the Russian hoax peddled for almost 4 years without question and more importantly any due diligence yet now they all come out with "journalistic integrity" and say that we can't talk about the Biden laptop until it's thoroughly vetted? Hypocrisy dial to 11. That's why I bring it up.
 
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