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    Citation Envoyé par lord_galathon Voir le message
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...mployment-rate

    Yeah it really backfired with a steady rise of employment in the last 3 years.
    The US has been applying tariffs for the past 3 years?

    If you actually read the thread (it looks like you haven't) you would have seen the article mentioning that the US manufacturing sector is entering a recession because of tariffs.
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    Citation Envoyé par Stirl_ae86 Voir le message
    What was this magical product that requires no human involvement at any point?
    Do you think all companies in the manufacturing sector are running at 100% capacity?
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    Citation Envoyé par Spaceman Spiff Voir le message
    Do you think all companies in the manufacturing sector are running at 100% capacity?
    Do you always answer a question with another question that is completely unrelated?
    Fix the cause of the issue, don't cater to the result

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    Citation Envoyé par Stirl_ae86 Voir le message
    Do you always answer a question with another question that is completely unrelated?
    Only when the original question is stupid.
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    CNN butthurt because the world isn't falling for their race baiting bullshit. Hilariously satisfying.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/polit...ntl/index.html

    The silence from other world leaders in condemning US President Donald Trump's most recent racist comments has been deafening. There have been remarks from Canada's Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, who said: "That's not how we do things in Canada," and that a "Canadian is a Canadian." The outgoing British Prime Minister, Theresa May, said that Trump's comments were "completely unacceptable."

    Otherwise, the world, it seems, is turning a blind eye to the most powerful office in the world being used to make overtly racist statements.


    "Overtly" racist statements that had nothing to do with race. Well done.




    Sorry CNN, you're the boy who cried racism and you're now being ignored by the world.
    Fix the cause of the issue, don't cater to the result

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    Citation Envoyé par Spaceman Spiff Voir le message
    Only when the original question is stupid.
    Actually it's when you have no answer, but okay.
    Fix the cause of the issue, don't cater to the result

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    Citation Envoyé par Stirl_ae86 Voir le message
    Actually it's when you have no answer, but okay.
    Stop being so childish.
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    Citation Envoyé par Spaceman Spiff Voir le message
    Do you think all companies in the manufacturing sector are running at 100% capacity?
    When you can't get workers, then no, your company is not 100% running.

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    Citation Envoyé par Spaceman Spiff Voir le message
    Stop being so childish.
    No, seriously, you love to fling shit in this thread but NEVER have an answer when faced with facts or reason. When you hear something you don't like, you deflect.

    Stop being so womanly.
    Fix the cause of the issue, don't cater to the result

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    Citation Envoyé par NoTop5.0 Voir le message
    When you can't get workers, then no, your company is not 100% running.
    Sigh. Most companies don't need to hire additional employees to increase production. That's the beauty of automation. Most of the time, they have to slow down production because of unsold inventories. The main limitation is and will always remain sales.
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    Citation Envoyé par Stirl_ae86 Voir le message
    No, seriously, you love to fling shit in this thread but NEVER have an answer when faced with facts or reason. When you hear something you don't like, you deflect.

    Stop being so womanly.
    I'm sorry but your question was incredibly stupid. If you can rewrite it intelligently, i will gladly answer it.
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    Citation Envoyé par NoTop5.0 Voir le message
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/1764651001/

    It's always racist, isn't it? I wonder if telling German white guy that if he doesn't like the states, he should go back, will be racist too?
    I wonder if he would have made the comments in the first place if a german white guy was the one criticizing him, considering he himself is a german white guy.

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    Citation Envoyé par Stirl_ae86 Voir le message
    Clearly. You know a lot more about trade and business than the man that's been in it for decades.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYKwS8jN50

    How tariffs "work":
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/more...trade-war.html

    The pace of companies moving production out of China is accelerating as more than 50 multinationals from Apple to Nintendo to Dell are rushing to escape the punitive tariffs placed by the U.S., according to the Nikkei Asian review.

    The trade war between the U.S. and China has dragged on for more than a year with 25% tariffs placed on $200 billion of Chinese goods. President Donald Trump is still threatening to slap duties on another $325 billion of goods. In wake of the intensifying battle, more and more companies announced plans or are considering shifting manufacturing from China.
    And where do you think all those manufacturing jobs are going? They aren't going to back to the US, it's other South-East asian countries, like Vietnam, Laos and India.

    Citation Envoyé par Grim Voir le message
    Occam's razor:

    The Chinese company, because if the price of the lower quality chinese product goes up, they will simply not sell in high volumes in the USA. Low volume would raise the shipping costs making China obsolete.

    American consumers will end up purchasing american products WHICH IS TRUMP'S INTENT in order to Make America Great Again.

    Anything else? That one was waaaaaaaaay too easy.
    What?

    First you assume that the Chinese good is of lower quality, secondly, you also assume that there's a readily available American or another foreign alternative. Neither of which is a given.

    All of Apple's products are made in China are they of lower quality than American made electronics? Oh wait practically all consumer electronics are made in Asia.
    You're right though higher prices mean lower sales volume, which means less profit for American corporations.
    LOL @ shipping cost is what's going to make China obsolete.

    Suppose for a second your flawed set of assumptions holds and that American consumers now shift their consumption to American made goods (woo hoo MAGA) the same American consumer that hasn't seen an increase in their wage or standard of living in decades and that also has less than $500 cushion for an emergency is now spending more on an artificially higher costs item)

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-america...ry?id=63253846

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    Citation Envoyé par lord_galathon Voir le message
    https://www.lapresse.ca/internationa...ilhan-omar.php

    That's ^ funny enough on its own but the quote of the day - at least for me - goes to this guy:



    You mean your founding fathers the ones that brought in Africans SPECIFICALLY to use for slaves?
    hahahaahah this is amazing.

    She is placing all the Democratic Party in the spotlight with these comments. The voters are seeing the Democrats as angry women.

    Here is the key difference though:
    - Angry women in the eyes of the general simpleton american public = Hysterical
    - Angry men in the eyes of the general simpleton american public = Strenght

    Trump is now just laughing at all these bunch of hysterical bottom dwellers from the Democratic party and so are the voters.






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    Citation Envoyé par Stirl_ae86 Voir le message
    CNN butthurt because the world isn't falling for their race baiting bullshit. Hilariously satisfying.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/polit...ntl/index.html

    The silence from other world leaders in condemning US President Donald Trump's most recent racist comments has been deafening. There have been remarks from Canada's Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, who said: "That's not how we do things in Canada," and that a "Canadian is a Canadian." The outgoing British Prime Minister, Theresa May, said that Trump's comments were "completely unacceptable."

    Otherwise, the world, it seems, is turning a blind eye to the most powerful office in the world being used to make overtly racist statements.


    "Overtly" racist statements that had nothing to do with race. Well done.




    Sorry CNN, you're the boy who cried racism and you're now being ignored by the world.
    Can't CNN just say Nationalism is bad and encourage burning the flag already?

    Racism, what a washed up word. At least, call it nationalism or ethnocentrism.


    Here is the simple difference:

    Did Trump say: Go back to your brown or black people country of origin? That would indeed be Racist.
    No Trump said: Go back to your crime filled country of origin or leave if you're not happy. That is not racism, that is Nationalism in its purest form.



    United States is based on strong nationalism. That is why they said FUCK YOU to the garbage scum British government and fought for their freedom.

    It wasn't racism that built America, even though slavery is part of US history.


    Open borders is the absolute GREATEST threat to nationalism. (that is exactly why Trump placed these 4 democrats in the spotlight)


    "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.".
    ('all' implies others that are also nationalists and love America)
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    And where do you think all those manufacturing jobs are going? They aren't going to back to the US, it's other South-East asian countries, like Vietnam, Laos and India.



    What?

    First you assume that the Chinese good is of lower quality, secondly, you also assume that there's a readily available American or another foreign alternative. Neither of which is a given.

    All of Apple's products are made in China are they of lower quality than American made electronics? Oh wait practically all consumer electronics are made in Asia.
    You're right though higher prices mean lower sales volume, which means less profit for American corporations.
    LOL @ shipping cost is what's going to make China obsolete.

    Suppose for a second your flawed set of assumptions holds and that American consumers now shift their consumption to American made goods (woo hoo MAGA) the same American consumer that hasn't seen an increase in their wage or standard of living in decades and that also has less than $500 cushion for an emergency is now spending more on an artificially higher costs item)

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-america...ry?id=63253846
    It is lower quality. It is made by underpaid starving children in horrible working conditions and long hours in highly polluted cities real close to being unliveable dumps with highly hazardous air quality. If I hired you and underpaid you, overworked you and starved you: how should I logically expect the quality of your work to be in the long run?

    This is the only reason everything is Made in CHINA: Careless and Lawless EXPLOITATION of expendable humans (children) and nature (Pollution levels in China will not magically get better). That and cheaper everything to build their products for the previous reason. It has reached a tipping point. The bubble is about to pop.

    I actually fix TVs for fun and don't get me started on Chinese capacitors.

    Yes Shipping and Storage costs of billions of products that are not selling faster enough anymore will make China obsolete. No High Volume sales of their garbage products = Bye Bye China.

    That is exactly how businesses go bankrupt: Lower Sales + lower volume = shipping costs go up, then you must raise prices to cope which leads to even lower sales volume and then storage costs goes through the roof. RIP.

    Also, Apple is the most overpriced underperforming cute garbage on the market. Apple only survives on HYPE. I give it another 10 years max before hipsters wake up.

    Obviously common Americans have less money, as you stated nearly nothing is currently made and manufactured in America.

    If you flood America with Made in China products, how do you expect new American companies to exist, establish themselves and thrive in a capitalist economy?
    They have to be completely careless about the environment and exploit children to be competitive with China.

    It needs to start somewhere and sometime. The time is now.

    That or Let's let China be the new superpower by doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. (Leftist way of thinking and definition of insanity)

    Its okay, business is not your forte. Leave that to Trump. Making America Great Again will directly benefit Cuck Canada. You should be all for it.
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    I'm sorry but your question was incredibly stupid. If you can rewrite it intelligently, i will gladly answer it.
    Je vois pas ce qu'il y avait de con dans da question initiale.
    Tant qu'il y aura de la production à faire, il y aura des emplois peu importe le foutu robot que tu vas placer dans la chaine. Les spécialisations changent, mais la base de l'économie reste la même que ce soit en Chine ou aux states.
    Pour l'instant, le marché du travail aux states se porte bien si on se fie aux derniers chiffres. Qu'est-ce que ça donne de faire des scénarios catastrophes quand t'es pas au bout des décisions économiques et politiques? Plutôt que de spéculer et envoyer des insinuations rétrogrades sur les opinions des autres (parce que c'est le petit jeu que tu joues depuis trop longtemps), regarde ce qui se passe maintenant et la vitesse dont l'information évolue.
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    So basically the customer is now paying 20$ more and there won't be any additional job creation thanks to automation. No wonder why government economic interventions always backfire.
    Even if it's automated, as long as its an American company and factory it's all good. This is because people fail to understand the flow and velocity of money.

    Let me use a ridiculously simple example, and allow some dynamics not possible in the real world only to not have to write a PHD thesis on the matter.

    You have two Americans, a farmer and a baker. Let's just say they can both produce instantaneous some wheat and a loaf of bread, respectively. The baker buys some wheat for $1 and makes the bread. The farmer now having one dollar buys the baker's bread for $1. The baker then buys more wheat from the farmer and the farmer buys another loaf and so on so forth. Each time money changes hands it increases the velocity of money and the economy is boosted without having to print new money.

    Now introduce a third person, a Chinaman who makes dodads. Baker pays the farmer and the farmer instead buys a dodad the money leaves the country. Unless the Chinese person buys something from the baker, the cycle is dead. Basically it went from being able to buy infinite breads/wheat to nothing.

    I understand this is oversimplified to the max but when the inflows match the outflows (and it doesn't have to be every year, let's say average every 5-10 years) you get an environment where people can thrive. Instead right now you got a siphon where the productivity is continuously stripped away, and future opportunity of other Americans goes towards zero.

    As others pointed out it's hard to compete with the likes of companies in China, where they install safety nets to prevent workers from committing suicide so tariffs are just a way to level the playing field and make sure the inflows more equally match the outflows. And even if it's 100% automated in the USA, what about the companies who manufacture and maintain those robots? If they're also American based and owned it becomes the real life version of my baker/farmer example where they will go spend into the economy and pump up the velocity of money.
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    Even if it's automated, as long as its an American company and factory it's all good. This is because people fail to understand the flow and velocity of money.

    Let me use a ridiculously simple example, and allow some dynamics not possible in the real world only to not have to write a PHD thesis on the matter.

    You have two Americans, a farmer and a baker. Let's just say they can both produce instantaneous some wheat and a loaf of bread, respectively. The baker buys some wheat for $1 and makes the bread. The farmer now having one dollar buys the baker's bread for $1. The baker then buys more wheat from the farmer and the farmer buys another loaf and so on so forth. Each time money changes hands it increases the velocity of money and the economy is boosted without having to print new money.

    Now introduce a third person, a Chinaman who makes dodads. Baker pays the farmer and the farmer instead buys a dodad the money leaves the country. Unless the Chinese person buys something from the baker, the cycle is dead. Basically it went from being able to buy infinite breads/wheat to nothing.

    I understand this is oversimplified to the max but when the inflows match the outflows (and it doesn't have to be every year, let's say average every 5-10 years) you get an environment where people can thrive. Instead right now you got a siphon where the productivity is continuously stripped away, and future opportunity of other Americans goes towards zero.

    As others pointed out it's hard to compete with the likes of companies in China, where they install safety nets to prevent workers from committing suicide so tariffs are just a way to level the playing field and make sure the inflows more equally match the outflows. And even if it's 100% automated in the USA, what about the companies who manufacture and maintain those robots? If they're also American based and owned it becomes the real life version of my baker/farmer example where they will go spend into the economy and pump up the velocity of money.
    You should write your own blog or create your own news agency. You could call it JRE: 'Just Right Enough'.

    #wouldread

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    You should write your own blog or create your own news agency. You could call it JRE: 'Just Right Enough'.

    #wouldread
    Thanks for the vote of confidence. My problem though is consistency. When people expect an article every day or week religiously, my thoughts are more like soapbox rants where I can have 5 in a day if something starts the thought and then I could go incognito for a week or two.
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