Donald John Trump is no longer president: what does it mean for you?

Grim said:
Yes, I agree. I simply think Trump & Giuliani are stuck in the middle of a 100 year old+ Left/Blue fight and they are both the fall guys.

Trump was a Democrat in the 90's. He entered the 2016 race as an Independent. He had to chose a side because of the Electoral College.

At the end of the day Trump won because 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend':


Michael Moore was never Pro-Trump (in fact he was Anti-Trump) but he realized that Trump is America's last peaceful effort before a full blown Civil War.
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Giuliani is a lawyer on a retainer. He is where he wants to be: still relevant. Trump is not stuck in a fight. He is where he wants to be: on top. This is his wildest dream come true.

the video is right about one thing. the media created Trump. in particular, Jeff Zucker, current CEO of CNN, who is is making a bundle right now. Trump is a showman, not a politician. CNN has a crazy number of viewers. It's all a show and everyone is making crazy money.
Did Trump lock Hillary up? no he didn't. Of course he won't. It's part of the show. For a while it inflamed people, but everyone knows you don't lock up royalty. It's all an act. "panem et circenses" (bread and circuses) is from the time of the Romans. keep people fed and entertained and they'll be happy and won't ask questions.

The one thing I don't like is when people don't use their heads. They grab a hold of something and don't think for themselves. Everyone loves to hate Trump and they're not judging him based on the things he does. Everyone loved to love Obama so he wasn't judged on the things he did. Both had their ups and downs and good and bad. But overall people see Obama as the 3rd coming of Jesus while Trump is the antichrist. Obama just made a fool of himself by endorsing Trudeau, and Trump made a fool of himself with the Doral G7 thing. Does everyone still love Obama? of course. Is Trump worse than before? of course. it's just the way things are.
 
vladjet2000 said:
Giuliani is a lawyer on a retainer. He is where he wants to be: still relevant. Trump is not stuck in a fight. He is where he wants to be: on top. This is his wildest dream come true.

the video is right about one thing. the media created Trump. in particular, Jeff Zucker, current CEO of CNN, who is is making a bundle right now. Trump is a showman, not a politician. CNN has a crazy number of viewers. It's all a show and everyone is making crazy money.
Did Trump lock Hillary up? no he didn't. Of course he won't. It's part of the show. For a while it inflamed people, but everyone knows you don't lock up royalty. It's all an act. "panem et circenses" (bread and circuses) is from the time of the Romans. keep people fed and entertained and they'll be happy and won't ask questions.

The one thing I don't like is when people don't use their heads. They grab a hold of something and don't think for themselves. Everyone loves to hate Trump and they're not judging him based on the things he does. Everyone loved to love Obama so he wasn't judged on the things he did. Both had their ups and downs and good and bad. But overall people see Obama as the 3rd coming of Jesus while Trump is the antichrist. Obama just made a fool of himself by endorsing Trudeau, and Trump made a fool of himself with the Doral G7 thing. Does everyone still love Obama? of course. Is Trump worse than before? of course. it's just the way things are.
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I'm sure Zucker is doing just fine and yes CNN's reach is wide without a doubt, but their ratings are in the shitter.

They don't have a crazy number of viewers, they have a number of crazy viewers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...watched-cable-network-for-37th-straight-month

In primetime, Fox News averaged 2.44 million total viewers. MSNBC placed second with an average of 1.5 million, followed by CNN with 797,000.

The top two programs in cable news for the month of July were Fox News’s "Hannity" with 3.33 million total viewers, followed by "Tucker Carlson Tonight" with 3.145 million. “The Ingraham Angle," and "The Five" round out the third and fourth place spots overall, with MSNBC's "Rachel Maddow Show" dropping from third in June to fifth overall in July in total viewer rankings.

Overall, Fox News made up 11 of the top 15 programs on cable news, with MSNBC filling out the other four spots. The two networks finished in the top spots of basic cable, with Home and Garden Television, TLC and USA Network rounding out the third, fourth and fifth spots.

CNN's highest rated program, "Cuomo Prime Time" finished 24th overall in total viewers in averaging 954,000. Overall, the network finished 13th in total viewers.



CNN doesn't have a single news show in the top 15.
 
Grim said:
I agree with 95% of what you said.

The problem is that there isn't much info that is legit favoring the Dems at this time.
All we gets are 'leaks' to the MSM with biased/unknown/shady sources.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have statements under oath.
I'd be bashing the hell out of Trump if the facts pointed to him being a criminal.

Historically:
Republicans voters are known to call out corrupted Republican members.
Democrat voters are NOT known to call out corrupted Democrat members.


Also:
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Funny day today:


Here is a Gold Nugget, it might be NSFW, Rep. Katie Hill D-California:


Shocking photos of Congresswoman Katie Hill are revealed as she's seen NAKED showing off Nazi-era tattoo while smoking a bong, kissing her female staffer and posing nude on 'wife sharing' sites
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...owing-Nazi-era-tattoo-smoking-BONG-NAKED.html




Rep. Katie Hill admits to ‘inappropriate’ relationship with staffer after announcement of ethics probe
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/24/rep...nappropriate-relationship-with-a-staffer.html


It's a '#metoo variant'
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Katie hill is probably one of the few Democrats I'd vote for, just because whore material .
 
kahos said:
What about yesterday's stupid stunt when some geniuses breached a secure facility to make some sort of point? How is that supposed to be helpful to the cause?

Trump must have been bored yesterday, turning on some of the party establishment and having some choice words for them:
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Not bad looking staffer, would staff


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jeeps005 said:
check le post #4174 ca va te donner une meilleure idee pourquoi ils ont fait ca.
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Or if anyone doesn't have the time/attention span to watch the full video, just pick any given person speech in that video to listen too. They all make it pretty clear.

But if someone has to ask why the Republicans would do that, they haven't been paying any attention.
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government ended fiscal year 2019 with the largest budget deficit in seven years as gains in tax receipts were offset by higher spending and growing debt service payments, the Treasury department said on Friday.
It is the first time since the early 1980s that the budget gap has widened over four consecutive years.
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Wasn't the whole point of electing someone that was business savvy to run the government like a business, not like a money printing machine?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...=Feed:+reuters/topNews+(News+/+US+/+Top+News)


Stirl_ae86 said:
Or if anyone doesn't have the time/attention span to watch the full video, just pick any given person speech in that video to listen too. They all make it pretty clear.

But if someone has to ask why the Republicans would do that, they haven't been paying any attention.
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It's pretty obvious to me that you're taking politics a bridge too far when you're outright breaching security protocols. Trying to ID / expose a whistle blower at all costs is also a big no-no. There's a reason identities are withheld...

Whoever took part in this and holds a security clearance should have it withheld right away.

I can understand that they're frustrated but this doesn't give them carte blanche to form an impromptu posse and muscle their way into places. If there are concerns, there should be better mechanisms to address them then going full on mob mentality.

What a dysfunctional political system...
 
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kahos said:
Wasn't the whole point of electing someone that was business savvy to run the government like a business, not like a money printing machine?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...=Feed:+reuters/topNews+(News+/+US+/+Top+News)




It's pretty obvious to me that you're taking politics a bridge too far when you're outright breaching security protocols. Trying to ID / expose a whistle blower at all costs is also a big no-no. There's a reason identities are withheld...

Whoever took part in this and holds a security clearance should have it withheld right away.

I can understand that they're frustrated but this doesn't give them carte blanche to form an impromptu posse and muscle their way into places. If there are concerns, there should be better mechanisms to address them then going full on mob mentality.

What a dysfunctional political system...
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kahos said:
Wasn't the whole point of electing someone that was business savvy to run the government like a business, not like a money printing machine?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...=Feed:+reuters/topNews+(News+/+US+/+Top+News)




It's pretty obvious to me that you're taking politics a bridge too far when you're outright breaching security protocols. Trying to ID / expose a whistle blower at all costs is also a big no-no. There's a reason identities are withheld...

Whoever took part in this and holds a security clearance should have it withheld right away.

I can understand that they're frustrated but this doesn't give them carte blanche to form an impromptu posse and muscle their way into places. If there are concerns, there should be better mechanisms to address them then going full on mob mentality.

What a dysfunctional political system...
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whistleblower indentity should be protected. it helps weed out problems that could pose a threat to many society pillars.
however, if you start an impeachment procedure based on something like that, this becomes a public matter. you can't run a whole impeachment based on "secret sources" like some of today's 2 bit journalists do.
imagine the police shows up at your house saying you molested a child. they have an informant who saw you. they will drag you through the courts. you will have to move, even though you didn't do it. you won't be able to hold a job anymore. nobody will talk to you. but you didn't do it. and you can never know who it was. in the end, it turns out it's an autistic kid who sees things. but you still can no longer have a job anywhere within 50 kms of any place where someone has heard of you. there's actually a movie that's a bit on the subject, called the hunt. a little girl lies about being molested, and the man's life is upside down forever even though he's innocent. you know some will not believe it, ever.
this is another chapter in the smear campaign.

nobody has died around Trump, so they can come forth and say it. Monica is still alive and made millions from blowing Bill. I'm pretty sure this particular whistleblower will be set for life if the implications are true, but first the person must be cleaner than that whistle that's being blown, because otherwise it's going to be a shit show. and history teaches us that usually these people are usually motivated by some pretty obvious reason. so bring forth this savior, but make sure he's holy first.
 
vladjet2000 said:
whistleblower indentity should be protected. it helps weed out problems that could pose a threat to many society pillars.
however, if you start an impeachment procedure based on something like that, this becomes a public matter. you can't run a whole impeachment based on "secret sources" like some of today's 2 bit journalists do.
imagine the police shows up at your house saying you molested a child. they have an informant who saw you. they will drag you through the courts. you will have to move, even though you didn't do it. you won't be able to hold a job anymore. nobody will talk to you. but you didn't do it. and you can never know who it was. in the end, it turns out it's an autistic kid who sees things. but you still can no longer have a job anywhere within 50 kms of any place where someone has heard of you. there's actually a movie that's a bit on the subject, called the hunt. a little girl lies about being molested, and the man's life is upside down forever even though he's innocent. you know some will not believe it, ever.
this is another chapter in the smear campaign.

nobody has died around Trump, so they can come forth and say it. Monica is still alive and made millions from blowing Bill. I'm pretty sure this particular whistleblower will be set for life if the implications are true, but first the person must be cleaner than that whistle that's being blown, because otherwise it's going to be a shit show. and history teaches us that usually these people are usually motivated by some pretty obvious reason. so bring forth this savior, but make sure he's holy first.
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Yeah, the BS comparison with child molesting is both overblown and in poor taste... If anything, it shows a lack of understanding in what's at stake here.

The whisteblower ain't some random person pretending they were part of a conversation / witness to a situation that no one else was privvy to. If that was the case, their identity and character would be of the utmost importance. By most accounts, they have no personal involvement in the larger picture. You can't argue Trump was baited or that this was entrapment. That's what makes this basically a moot point.

From what has been released, they're a government employee that had the courage of conviction to report through the proper channels that there is a transcript out there that shows the president may have crossed ethical boundaries.

The evidence itself is NOT the whisteblower's testimony, it's the recording / transcript. It's also in the further investigation and interviews that were conducted with key stakeholders afterwards.

The whisteblower may have set the ball in motion, but they're not a central figure in this investigation. The administration's ongoing effort to oust and smear them is a diversion.

Besides, this is still the preliminary part of the process. The investigation is still underway. Odds are that a significant amount of information will be turned over to the administration if / when formal proceedings get underway.
 
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Why are you even talking about whistleblowers? The identity of the person that was being interviewed was known at the time. There are prefectly good procedural reasons as to why you'd hold a closed-door session instead of an open hearing. Chief of which is that you don't want future witnesses to piggy back off the lies of a previous testimony. It's also very common for a witness to appear before congress in a closed and then again in an open setting.

Also your analogy of child molestation is poorly formed no proper judicial system is going to charge you without corroborating evidence and if I remember correctly in the hunt Mads Mikkelsen's character is never charged by the police.
 
kahos said:
It's pretty obvious to me that you're taking politics a bridge too far when you're outright breaching security protocols. Trying to ID / expose a whistle blower at all costs is also a big no-no. There's a reason identities are withheld...

Whoever took part in this and holds a security clearance should have it withheld right away.

I can understand that they're frustrated but this doesn't give them carte blanche to form an impromptu posse and muscle their way into places. If there are concerns, there should be better mechanisms to address them then going full on mob mentality.
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How naive can you be?

Do you understand the game that being played right now by little Adam Schitt? They are trying to create an impeachment story and they want to control the narrative completely. With the "whistle blower", they modified the parameters for whistle blowing to include hearsay (i.e. not even first hand knowledge) a few days before they filed it. Moreover the whistle blower contacted the office of Adam Schitt before filing and they were found out to be a CIA asset. Schitt, which is spelled how it should be, even gave us his rendition of Gangsta Trump's call and was it not for Trump releasing the actual transcript, all the fake news media industrial complex would have been circle jerking to his lies.

So when he failed royally, he tries again this time with a diplomat that has a beef against Trump. Mark my works, the SCIF was set up ONLY so that they can control the flow of information. Isn't it funny that almost instantaneously "damning testimony" was leaked to the Washington ComPost and away the impeachment fervor renewed. The "mob" rush of Republicans is not to stop actual justice, because there's none to speak of. They're just in on the BS stunt he's trying to pull and they put a stop to it by walking in and shining some light on the rumor factory little Schitt set up.
 
Hasn't the whistleblower thing beat the death already? How and Why it came to be is hardly relevant at this point; it certainly sounds like the substance of the allegation has been substantiated through other means. Unless your intent on "shooting the messenger" ? This won't save trump.

And yes, to no one's surprise, controlling the flow of information is part of an investigation. If/when Trump is impeached, he will get that information. It's pretty simple really.

If this is all about media coverage, Trump fell into in head first. Advisers have said the best way "to beat" an impeachment is to ignore it and to keep on trucking. Trump is fanning the flames, going on the attack with every angle, every time. Trump, 21st century's "man child that cried wolf" is how it might go down at this point.
 
kahos said:
Hasn't the whistleblower thing beat the death already? How and Why it came to be is hardly relevant at this point; it certainly sounds like the substance of the allegation has been substantiated through other means. Unless your intent on "shooting the messenger" ? This won't save trump.

And yes, to no one's surprise, controlling the flow of information is part of an investigation. If/when Trump is impeached, he will get that information. It's pretty simple really.

If this is all about media coverage, Trump fell into in head first. Advisers have said the best way "to beat" an impeachment is to ignore it and to keep on trucking. Trump is fanning the flames, going on the attack with every angle, every time. Trump, 21st century's "man child that cried wolf" is how it might go down at this point.
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Yes, beaten to death but like the living dead it seems to keep coming back. It needs the proverbial bullet to the brain to end it for good and that would be the identity of the WB to prove it's full of shit.

Regarding information, Schitt it a notorious leaker. If you want to make it cofidential, keep it confidential. What really happens though is that any turd nugget against Trump gets shined and presented on a silver platter to the fake news media and exculpatory information is buried as "top secret".

Lastly bash anybody over the head with constant lies and they'll end up believing it. Only counter measure is to provide an equal amount of truth. That's what's happening these days. CNN and the likes are repeating lies hourly and people are believing it. What's harder is not to trick them, but to deflate their ego by getting them to admit they've been fooled. Result is so many think Trump actually did something worthy of impeachment and you hilariously think he will be.

250Rocket, Grim and Vladjet:

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It's pretty heard to release the person's name when one, if not the most, powerful persons in the nation has pretty much said it's treasonous and should be punished by death.

Had he not played that card, it would have been ever so slightly more likely to happen. This is why you need to think before you tweet, Donald...

Even just now, he's asking on twitter where that person is... That ship has sailed...

A federal judge has said yesterday that vetted information in the Mueller files may be worthy of impeachment and has turned it over to the dems.

There's so much out there, and you guys still claim Thanos did nothing wrong. Why, because media bad?
 
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