Judging cars at Car Shows

Popular vote isn't fair. The winner ends up being the person with the most friends.

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Good list if you go back in time after the release of the 1st Fast and Furious movie

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pour ca que je vais poser 14 speakers Pyle dans mon char ca va me donner des points fuck mes 4 JBL GTO caches sous les grilles OEM

pis en lavant mon char il va etre propre partout 12 points
 
Pour mettre du piquant, je ferais un concours "guess the owner".

Tu prend 5-10 chars tunés, et met les 5-10 propriétaires sur le stage. Le public et le jury doivent déterminer à qui appartient chaque voiture en fonction de sa coupe de cheveux, style vestimentaire, tatoos, etc.

Popular vote isn't fair. The winner ends up being the person with the most friends.

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C'est pas de même que ça marche dans tout le système politique et une bonne part des entreprises privées aussi?
 
I know cars shows aren't MR's favorite thing by far however I still thought it would be fun to discuss how cars are judged at shows. At a modified car show, the more modified the vehicle is, the more points it usually gets. There are points for things like cleanliness, rarity, custom work, overall theme etc. Motor work does play a factor but since there are also many other factors, a sleeper car won't likely win a car show.

Oups j'ai rate ce bout la
si je l'aurais avant je n'aurais pas ete sarcastique face a ta grille de point
je l'aurais carrement demoli

construire un sleeper, un vrai, demande 1000 fois plus de talents , patience et effort que construire un show car typique
c'est facile mettre des bancs racings pour avoir le cul qui ne bouge pas, mettre un kit de suspension pour dropper, mettre un hood en fibre de carbone avec un scoop pour faire croire que ta mecanique a besoin de plus d'air , pis mettre une couple de petits bolt ons qui sont plus esthetique que fonctionnels

mais dans un sleeper tu as une contraite majeure, l'apparence doit rester modeste sleeper ne veut pas dire stock ca peut etre extremement custon mais fait de facon a ne pas attirer l'attendion , le detail est fin mais la performance doit etre a la elle !
essait d'avoir une traction convenable et une tenue de route tout en gardant une hauteur stock et des pneus pas tellement plus large que ceux d'origine
tu vas en essayer des combinaisons de springsm, swaybars, freins etc avant d'avoir quelque chose de fiable
essait de faire respirer un gros moteur sous un capot stock, souvent juste reussir a faire fermer le capot demande un miracle
meme chose pour l'interieur un banc de sleeper demande un support et dossier ferme ca veut dire refaire les springs au complet du siege tout en gardant une apparence d origine
le monde ont pas idee c'est quoi un vrai sleeper

je te presente Chicayne de Troy Trepanier, ca juste l'air d'un Biscayne de chicanos avec sa drop
0312-02z%2B1962-chevrolet-biscayne%2Bfront-passenger-side.jpg

0312_05z%2B1962_chevrolet_biscayne%2Bengine.jpg

et quand il va partir en fleche avec 1200 Hps sur son v8 bi turbo tu vas dire ouin mais l'eclipse fast n furious merite plus de points a cause de ses collants, de son body kit de son interieur racing ...

en passant c'est un autre gagnant du Ridler Award
 
I guess your point system works but you might end up with a controversial winner.


This is my solution: (popular vote)

Every visitor gets a stack of cards at the entrance for different categories. (Best of show, best jdm, best euro, best muscle, best wheels, best paint, etc..)
They then vote by placing their cards on the windshield (under the wiper) of the car they choose.
Tally the cards at the end.
If you put the cards on the windshield it's easy for people to swap them over to somebody else's car to make them win.

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I guess your point system works but you might end up with a controversial winner.


This is my solution: (popular vote)

Every visitor gets a stack of cards at the entrance for different categories. (Best of show, best jdm, best euro, best muscle, best wheels, best paint, etc..)
They then vote by placing their cards on the windshield (under the wiper) of the car they choose.
Tally the cards at the end.

although that IS the best way to judge a show, the guy with the most friends will win.

the little brand competitions that danny had on facebook, the person with the most likes won free tickts to cars on fire. I lost by a land slide on the Ford one to a guy with a bone stock 80's Lincoln who was the host of some meet Ive never heard of, who probably isnt even on the forum. That's how it is.

That list is such a typical tuner car list. You could bring a f40 race car there, and even though it would be the coolest, fastest, rarest, and most valuable car there it still wouldnt win, no speakers, no body kit, rough paint... etc. You have no consideration for the wow factor, the clean factor, or popular vote should be worth 10 points on your list. If it's hated, why should it have a chance of winning because it gets points in all the other categories?
 
(diametre oversize sur stock x camber en trop ) / (largeur du rim / largeur du tire)

Dany je te presente le gagnant du Ridler Award 2015 , le plus gros prix qu'une voiture modifiee peut remporter aux states
https://assets.hemmings.com/blog/wp...5/03/Pirelli_2015-Ridler-Award-winner_3.9.jpg

selon ta charte il finirait milieu de peloton face a ca
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lu6NY588FVI/maxresdefault.jpg

le gagnant du Ridler etait Chip Foose et sous ce chevrolet se cache une corvette 2008 supercharged
et sous ce Eclipse turbo se cache une mecanique atmospherique Chrysler demi frere des Neons dohc


Classic or restored cars cars are judged differently. This judge sheet couldn't be used for something like a restoration. Classic cars who come to Cars on Fire will have a different set of criteria.
 
Oups j'ai rate ce bout la
si je l'aurais avant je n'aurais pas ete sarcastique face a ta grille de point
je l'aurais carrement demoli

construire un sleeper, un vrai, demande 1000 fois plus de talents , patience et effort que construire un show car typique
c'est facile mettre des bancs racings pour avoir le cul qui ne bouge pas, mettre un kit de suspension pour dropper, mettre un hood en fibre de carbone avec un scoop pour faire croire que ta mecanique a besoin de plus d'air , pis mettre une couple de petits bolt ons qui sont plus esthetique que fonctionnels

mais dans un sleeper tu as une contraite majeure, l'apparence doit rester modeste sleeper ne veut pas dire stock ca peut etre extremement custon mais fait de facon a ne pas attirer l'attendion , le detail est fin mais la performance doit etre a la elle !
essait d'avoir une traction convenable et une tenue de route tout en gardant une hauteur stock et des pneus pas tellement plus large que ceux d'origine
tu vas en essayer des combinaisons de springsm, swaybars, freins etc avant d'avoir quelque chose de fiable
essait de faire respirer un gros moteur sous un capot stock, souvent juste reussir a faire fermer le capot demande un miracle
meme chose pour l'interieur un banc de sleeper demande un support et dossier ferme ca veut dire refaire les springs au complet du siege tout en gardant une apparence d origine
le monde ont pas idee c'est quoi un vrai sleeper

je te presente Chicayne de Troy Trepanier, ca juste l'air d'un Biscayne de chicanos avec sa drop
http://image.superchevy.com/f/89638...2-chevrolet-biscayne+front-passenger-side.jpg
http://image.superchevy.com/f/89639...0/0312_05z+1962_chevrolet_biscayne+engine.jpg
et quand il va partir en fleche avec 1200 Hps sur son v8 bi turbo tu vas dire ouin mais l'eclipse fast n furious merite plus de points a cause de ses collants, de son body kit de son interieur racing ...

en passant c'est un autre gagnant du Ridler Award


Again...cannot be applied here. Un beau restoration mais une classe apart. De toute façon cette véhicule pourrait facilement gagner même avec mon feuille de pointage. Pas exactly un sleeper.

J'ai modifier la feuille un peu vu que l'audio ca donnait trop et j'ai manquer all motor. Ton véhicule en haut pourra scorer facilement comme ça:


Extérieur
Peinture/graphics 3
Propre 3
Body kit 0
Travail custom 5
Thème du véhicule 5
Moteur
Propre 3
Bolt-ons 3
Travail custom 5
Power (turbo/all motor) 7
Roues, Pneus, Suspension
Propre 3
Marque (fake ou non) 3
Grandeur/Fitment 3
Suspension 3
Intérieur
Propre 3
Sièges 3
Accessories 5
Travail custom 5
Audio
Installation 3
Nombre de pieces 1
Travail custom 3

Total: 69/74
 
why don't you stop giving points for the number of speakers
you judge audio with your ears not your eyes

and you gave Chicayne 0 for the body kit ... sure it has no plastic sides screwed with visible wood screws and 100 pounds of bondo to fill the gaps ... but you completely missed the custom made complete front end (modified hood, custom front grille, custom bumper) because they are so well made that they could pass for stock

2002 was 15 years ago Danny
 
I guess your point system works but you might end up with a controversial winner.


This is my solution: (popular vote)

Every visitor gets a stack of cards at the entrance for different categories. (Best of show, best jdm, best euro, best muscle, best wheels, best paint, etc..)
They then vote by placing their cards on the windshield (under the wiper) of the car they choose.
Tally the cards at the end.

they did something like that last year with a scan code... thought it was a good idea
 
why don't you stop giving points for the number of speakers
you judge audio with your ears not your eyes

and you gave Chicayne 0 for the body kit ... sure it has no plastic sides screwed with visible wood screws and 100 pounds of bondo to fill the gaps ... but you completely missed the custom made complete front end (modified hood, custom front grille, custom bumper) because they are so well made that they could pass for stock

2002 was 15 years ago Danny

#of speakers is number of components but I don't know the french translation so I just put speakers.

It's difficult to tell if it has a custom kit from the photo, Alain. Same with the audio. So with a 3/3 for the body kit and potential full points for audio, the car you posted would have 100% using my system. Seems pretty fair to me. I'm not sure what your issue is? Would you care to explain in greater detail so we can all understand?
 
It seemed like a good idea but the winners didn't reflect the best cars at all. People just vote for their friends.
Exactly. People were posting the codes on Facebook to have their friends vote. People who weren't even at the show...

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Would be simpler if only cars actually qualify to be show cars would participate, not everybody showing up and paying the entry fee with their freshly washed "summer car".
 
#of speakers is number of components but I don't know the french translation so I just put speakers.

It's difficult to tell if it has a custom kit from the photo, Alain. Same with the audio. So with a 3/3 for the body kit and potential full points for audio, the car you posted would have 100% using my system. Seems pretty fair to me. I'm not sure what your issue is? Would you care to explain in greater detail so we can all understand?

my issue with awards in Quebec car show is the same for the last 30 years
all show and no go all in your face will always win over a great built that is well balanced between beauty, performance and pleasure to drive
and I'm not speaking about what I built in my life I never put one of my creations in a car show contest so I'm not talking like a cry baby looser a handfull of trolls here love to describe but as someone who used to SPEND money to see the shows

how many times we have seen ti-coune cars with 300 pounds of bondo slower than stock and bouncing all over the street on his fake Tein coilovers bought on ebay winning awards or the other extreme, a VW or Audi, with pastel plasti dip, air suspension and the stupid rim 1/3 larger than the tires they put on

see what's wrong with your list
points for "clean" in several categories how do you define that ?
a car in pure stock form should get the max points here because you can't be cleaner than stock !

audio ? I like a good sounding car , not a loud car with only bass to shake your seats, but the bigger the subwoofers the higher they are on the winning list
points for number of component ? a good radio today has so many features and output power that a good radio and 4 really good speakers will give the best sound in the car you could get
for god sake even my middle of the lineup JVC headunit has a parametric eq built in and could push a clean 50W channel channel and my 4 JBL GTO speakers are so efficient I reach a nice SPL without going in distortion
but yet the ti-coune with his 4 x Pyle power amplifiers with 10% distortion at 50W and flea market speakers hooked on his 10 years head unit would win against my system win because no one listen while judging

you want to judge audio system for points ? get an extremely hard track to reproduce in a car like the intro of Times from Pink Floyd and judge by what you hear and listen to the exact same track in every cars
get the track done in USB and CD in a wav format not MP3 and listen to the track with the exact setting the car came in the show not the setting you could play with to make it better ... or even worst

what about engine ? wash you stock engine put a chromed CAI and cheap spark plug wires in bright colors and you win over a stealth (because cops like to look under the hood if you are stupid enought to open the hood when they ask for it while you have the right to say NO) megasquirt installation

rims ? you are giving points for fake versus real that = to me it sounds only as $$$ versus $
how about just judging by how the wheels looks on the actual car while looking at the side of car ? they have to blend nicely and if they clash , fake or real, they should have a low points a car is an ensemble not just a bunch of separate items

should I put that on my car to max the points because they don't exist in fake ?
penis-wheel.jpg

they are things that will never look right like putting cragar SS on a 2015 car but according to your chart if they are real cragar they should get big points

and how do you judge suspension ? my own 1999 Avenger (don't worry it won't be there ) is riding in the rear with a Mitsu Eclipse 2003 suspension (sway bar, upper and lower control arms )on eibach springs and tokico illumina I had to spend times in a machine shop to make everything fit and yet a VW on bags bought in a bolton kit form would get the max since my setup looks stock even if they are not at all from the same generation of car and that' because that's how I like to work I would get a low score because the arms were spray painted for sure , will you actually ask the owner what was done on the car suspension ?
and I don't see anything about brakes in your list

like I said earlier 2002 was 15 years ago times to move on and reach 2017 with your clothing design, car show logos and judging list
 
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