Dibbs
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I was surprised to see they had so many submarines. i wonder how many are actually in working order. They could very well be decoys.
USA vs North Korea official thread
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I was surprised to see they had so many submarines. i wonder how many are actually in working order. They could very well be decoys.
Very big unknown, if they can successfully test a sub based ICBM that significantly changes the calculus. It takes pre-emptive strikes off the table and forces everyone into a stalemate.
Dibbs
Active member
Yeah, restores the deterrence theory.
Le Patriote
Well-known member
C'est probablement juste de la parrure. Genre des sous marin moins pire que ceux du Canada parce qu'eux peuvent prendre la mer mais pas aller sous les 5 pied d'eau.
they're old soviet subs, they might be shit but almost definitely still work.
Faut pas se leurer, peut-etre que Trump est pas au courant parce que y'en a qui on decider d'arreter de lui dire ce qui se passe mais y'as pas rien qui grouille en Corée du Nord sans que ca soit répertorié et analyser, surtout avec ce qui se passe dernièrement. Y doit avoir un tas de satellite en permanence qui check toute ce qui se passe la 24-7
Larkee
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The US has the IUSS in place. They know who and where everybody is underwater. Even the Soviets lost a sub in a tragic accident. While they were searching for their sub, the Americans knew exactly where it was examined it thouroughly. Once they had all the intel they wanted, took all the corpses out, brought them to the Soviet authorities so they could dispose of them respectfully and gave the location of the crash.
If any of the NK subs work, rest assure that are all being tracked.
If any of the NK subs work, rest assure that are all being tracked.
Gregster
Legacy Member
Yea it's the same BS about NK having a massive airforce.. yet only like 15 planes work. I'd personally love to see a Chinese built Mig-17 going at it with an F-16, would be hilarious.
The soviets lost a bunch of subs in accidents, so did the USA but more so the Soveits. The incident you are speaking of was Project Azorian, to retrieve K129 by the CIA. They managed to get the entire wreck but the lifting device on the Glomar Explorer broke sending 2/3s back to the ocean floor, some say.. Some say they managed to get the entire sub. What is known is there were bodies recovered, code books, radios, and nuclear weapons
Gregster
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Mostly properly old Russian subs that the technical specs and capabilities are well known to basically everyone. There are diesel electric subs that work amazingly well and have targeted aircraft carriers on war games (German Type 212, Swedish Gotland are some examples) The entire point of submarine warfare is the remain unknown, when the person you are fighting has the technical handbook from the sub you're in you might as well raise the white flag. NK might win a ground war in sheer numbers of troopers but they won't be able to defend the sky or water. While NK does have some home grown stuff it's mostly based off former SSR designs sold at the end of the cold war for hard currency. USA would hit their forward artillery emplacements and AAA/SAM sites, communication nodes, static HQs, airfields, ammo and equipment depots, key government buildings, naval anchorages, known missile sites and nuclear facilities and then probably hit their mechanized formations on the move they can be funnelled. I'm sure the NK army would have some tricks up their sleeves and the opening shots of the war would come from the thousands of Artillery peices bombarding Seoul. But they would shoot their bolts quickly.
USA won't use nuclear weapons for the same reason it didn't use them in 1950.. Why waste inventory and be put at disadvantage if Russia or China wanted to attack? Sadly many on social media feel that trump has a giant red button on his desk that says "launch" while he makes the final call there is a chain of command it needs to go through. If launch did come it would be from a Submarine and not ICBM. Russia and China are continually monitoring ICBM silos, a launch from there might trigger bigger events. You bet after launch there would be a phone call to Putin.
That being said the USA is in a tight spot. NK is possibly prepping for a sub launch. If the USA shoots first, SK will suffer the most then possibly Japan. China wants everyone to STFU because they don't want to deal with the mess of fleeing refugees from NK. Neither does Russia which shares a small border. All this drama is just bullshit conjured up by the media to sell ads. It's no different from all the bullshit youtube/social media drama that gets created to generate interest and money.
Gregster
Legacy Member
The sad part is while everyone has been fighting in a sandbox they forgot about NK.. ISIS or some faction isn't interested in nuclear weapons or using such a device. Small calculated attacks (see UK) are much more effective. Remember all that talk of a dirty bomb? It's just talk and has been talk. Why hit once when you can hit weekly or monthly in small attacks. NK has always about NK and keeping the party in power using any means necessary. What does NK have from bragging about having a weapons cache? Bargaining power.. They can basically hold the UN by the balls and make very Dr. Evil demands. A preemptive strike from China is more possible than the USA at this point.. Basically China and Russia are the only ones in the world that can strike then say "Yea we did it, wtf is anyone going to do about it, come at me" In the good old days of the USSR, they were predictable and most of the population was educated ie: not brainwashed.
The biggest issue by far will be the refugee crisis, which will make the middle eastern thing look like a complete joke. China won't want NK people as they don't have the same culture, language or any real set of skills and can hurt the party. As long as China didn't have to deal with refugees swarming them they would probably be okay with Korean reunification, but they wouldn't be okay with the US army at the border, neither would Russia. SK and the surrounding area would be stuck with the mess of integrating NK people.. NK might win the ground war early on as I mentioned but they wouldn't be able to keep supply chains open, they can barely feed the current population. Sadly all the wars the West has been fighting in the last 15 years has proven that the USA/allies supply chain is very good at keeping the war machine rolling.
This is basically turning out to be a Tom Clancy novel. A crazy regime with nuclear weapons saber rattling
PsychoBandito
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I'd love to see an indoctrinated nker seeing Seoul for the first time.
Ronin
Legacy Member
Check this Youtube channel. the guy interviews a a lot of NK defectors.
https://www.youtube.com/user/askasianboss
this video is very interesting because it's raw and not very edited.
It outlines sooo well why Trump needs to STFU about bringing destruction to NK. It plays just tooo well in the regime's propaganda machine at a time when a lot of NKer are starting to wake up to the bullshit.
