Florida school shooting

De toute façon, gun ou pas, le pays d'oncle Sam reste un endroit très sécuritaire ou il fait bon vivre à comparer à beaucoup d'autres endroits sur la planète.

@S1FAP Je comprends pas ta fixation contre le gouvernement. T'as peur de quoi ? Tu préférerais rester dans un régime communiste ? Ou anarchiste ?
 
De toute façon, gun ou pas, le pays d'oncle Sam reste un pays très sécuritaire ou il fait bon vivre à comparer à beaucoup d'autres endroits sur la planète.

@S1FAP Je comprends pas ta fixation contre le gouvernement. T'as peur de quoi ? Tu préférerais rester dans un régime communiste ? Ou anarchique ?


l'anarchie bien évidemment puisque je n'ai aucune confiance envers le gouvernement

Et pourquoi je voudrais un régime communiste si je suis anti-gouvernement?
 
This neighborhood argument is so, but soooo weak it’s not even funny lol...How many times did everyone on MR without guns got robbed? Anyone?

Please, any argument but not this lol

There is absolutely no good reason to own guns except the fact that its fun, especially semi-autos...Arguing against that is just a plain lost of time.

I get robbed 26 times a year with usually an extra bonus theft in the spring. See in Canada you don't need to break into houses, you can instead be a lazy ass and let the government do the stealing for you. As S1FAP so astutely pointed out, the US has societal problems not necessarily a gun problem. The later is a symptom.

You act as if Canadians don't have guns but we're up there in ownership, 30 guns per 100 people where the world average is ~10.

As for the neighborhood example, it's only a weak argument if you lack the mental fortitude the understand the underlying principle. It's a theoretical example and where it fails in real life is the fact that stupid criminals who are dumb enough to commit the crime in the first place don't think about the possibility that they might face armed resistance.

Heck even if you put up a sign chances are they can read it.

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I get robbed 26 times a year with usually an extra bonus theft in the spring. See in Canada you don't need to break into houses, you can instead be a lazy ass and let the government do the stealing for you. As S1FAP so astutely pointed out, the US has societal problems not necessarily a gun problem. The later is a symptom.

You act as if Canadians don't have guns but we're up there in ownership, 30 guns per 100 people where the world average is ~10.

As for the neighborhood example, it's only a weak argument if you lack the mental fortitude the understand the underlying principle. It's a theoretical example and where it fails in real life is the fact that stupid criminals who are dumb enough to commit the crime in the first place don't think about the possibility that they might face armed resistance.

Heck even if you put up a sign chances are they can read it.

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I like how you avoided my question (how many times did people on MR get robbed) with a fancy reference to how the government is stealing you and a reflection over my mental fortitude. The reality is, you would ask everyone on MR if they got their house robbed and you would have a ridiculous minority answering yes.

Once you understand this, now the benefits of having weapons for the sake of protecting yourself from the ridiculous possibilities of getting robbed simply does not match the documented repercussions that every gun nutz tries to avoid talking about, arguing against this while criticizing my mental fortitude is quite ironic to be honest.

No need to go personal because you lack arguments.
 
Ce qui est dommage c'est qu'à chaque mass shooting, on met de côté 99%++ des proprios d'armes légales qui vivent dans le respect des règlements en place et qui s'en servent uniquement pour la chasse et le tir sportif et le spotlight est toujours sur les criminels et et ceux qui ont des pathologies mentales.

L'amalgame arme = gun nutz = tireur fou est trop facile à faire et est réductrice, quand dans la réalité, même aux USA, la très grande majorité des proprios d'armes à feu ne feront jamais partie d'un shootout et ne tireront jamais sur personne.

On est à un autre niveau que de débattre sur le type d'armes à légaliser et la nécessité d'en posséder si on veut vraiment réduire les tueries. Y'a des gros problèmes de société aux USA qui sont la principale cause des tueries: inégalités sociales, culture de la violence, accès aux soins de santé (en particulier santé mentale) pratiquement inexistant pour la classe ouvrière. Tout ça mélangé à une accessibilité facile aux armes à feu ça cause les problèmes qu'on a pas ici au Canada, même si on a accès à autant d'armes considérés comme des fusils d'assaut qui sont parfaitement légales ici. Notre système est juste mieux en mesure de traiter les personnes avec des troubles de santé mentale et de les tenir éloignées des armes.
 
I like how you avoided my question (how many times did people on MR get robbed) with a fancy reference to how the government is stealing you and a reflection over my mental fortitude. The reality is, you would ask everyone on MR if they got their house robbed and you would have a ridiculous minority answering yes.

Once you understand this, now the benefits of having weapons for the sake of protecting yourself from the ridiculous possibilities of getting robbed simply does not match the documented repercussions that every gun nutz tries to avoid talking about, arguing against this while criticizing my mental fortitude is quite ironic to be honest.

No need to go personal because you lack arguments.

Don't try to take the high road by claiming I avoided your question. You are the first to deviate by avoiding my thought exercise by asking the ridiculously impertenent question. Who cares how many members did or didn't, the point of my theoretical example was to differentiate that given the choice of facing a barrel of a gun or a person with strong words which would you take. Anybody who's not lying would take the latter.

Because you fail to understand this your whole second paragraph is useless. Again, think preventative not reactionary. It's not about using the gun when the robber comes in, it's about stopping them from even thinking about breaking in the first place because they fear the possibility that they'll get shot.

Let me give a more extreme/ridiculous theoretical example to prove this. I do this to eliminate variables so that hopefully even simple minded people can participate. If for example police could blow you up with a predator drone if you ran from them, how many high speed car chases would we see? There's laws on the books now that make it illegal to do so but people still do. Just the very thought that you have no chance will stop all but the most desperate of people.

Inb4 you go potato on me and ask how many MR members have been predator droned.
 
I wouldn't have to worry about someone robbing my house with a gun if they weren't so damn easy to obtain...

I don't see why pro-gun people would be against a better control...unless they have something to hide.
 
I wouldn't have to worry about someone robbing my house with a gun if they weren't so damn easy to obtain...

I don't see why pro-gun people would be against a better control...unless they have something to hide.

Because criminals don't care about laws.

If it is unlawful to obtain guns, they will still obtain them.

Like Molyneux says, gun control is not about banning guns, it's about letting only criminals have them (and in criminals I include government)
 
Because criminals don't care about laws.

If it is unlawful to obtain guns, they will still obtain them.

Like Molyneux says, gun control is not about banning guns, it's about letting only criminals have them (and in criminals I include government)

Criminals will have their ways...
But retards like this one who shots up a school might not have been able to find the contacts or get his hands on guns. That would have avoided 17 kids dying that day.
It wont stop all the bleeding, but it will make less innocent victims.

Criminals killing criminals over drug wars or whatever is ok in my book.
 
And please if you want to sound serious about your arguments you should stop with the "government are criminals"... it's not helping your cause.
 
And please if you want to sound serious about your arguments you should stop with the "government are criminals"... it's not helping your cause.

if you love government so much that you can't see how corrupt they are, that is your own business. But I'm not a hypocrite. I don't see government as corrupt thieves on monday but then on tuesday turn to them to take away everyone's guns. To me, government as a concept will always be immoral and corrupt. I cannot trust government in any way, and that is why the 2nd amendment was written.
 
même si on a accès à autant d'armes considérés comme des fusils d'assaut qui sont parfaitement légales ici. Notre système est juste mieux en mesure de traiter les personnes avec des troubles de santé mentale et de les tenir éloignées des armes.

On est loin d'une équivalence ici. T'as beau avoir le même "gun" en apparence, avec nos restrictions t'es loin d'en avoir la même fonctionalité. J'suis pas sur le tireur de vegas aurais fait autant de victime avec nos chargeurs pinnés a 5 balles dans ses AR.

Mais bon, si jamais les américains avaient des restrictions de capacité, ils ne pourraient jamais former de millice et se défende contre la tyrannie de leur gouvernement. Ça prends des drum mags pour se proteger, tout le monde le sais.
 
I cannot trust government in any way, and that is why the 2nd amendment was written.

This is why we need more gun controls. Nuts like you who think everyone is out to get them....grow up.

yes the government "steals" money from your pocket with taxes and bla bla bla...but needing a gun to protect yourself from them, again, you should get yourself checked out cause something is clearly not lined up straight in your head.
 
This is why we need more gun controls. Nuts like you who think everyone is out to get them....grow up.

yes the government "steals" money from your pocket with taxes and bla bla bla...but needing a gun to protect yourself from them, again, you should get yourself checked out cause something is clearly not lined up straight in your head.

There is nothing wrong with me. I'm just not a socialist. You are the fucked up person if you think people who aren't socialists aren't right in their minds. It's just a political opinion. And like I said before in this thread, I don't even own any guns, at all. So even though I have no trust in government, I never said they are out to get ME, in particular.

I suggest you research the story about the oregon ranchers and tell me why it was a bad idea that these ranchers protect themselves and their lands against the cops and the government. It happened 2 years ago. 2016.
 
On est loin d'une équivalence ici. T'as beau avoir le même "gun" en apparence, avec nos restrictions t'es loin d'en avoir la même fonctionalité. J'suis pas sur le tireur de vegas aurais fait autant de victime avec nos chargeurs pinnés a 5 balles dans ses AR.

Mais bon, si jamais les américains avaient des restrictions de capacité, ils ne pourraient jamais former de millice et se défende contre la tyrannie de leur gouvernement. Ça prends des drum mags pour se proteger, tout le monde le sais.
T'es au courant que la seule grande différence au niveau fonctionnalité de nos armes VS ce qui est dispo aux USA c'est la longueur des canons? Contrairement à la croyance, ils ont pas accès à des armes automatiques sinon c'est hyper restreint au niveau license et coût d'acquisition, alors leurs armes d'assaut sont semi-automatiques, comme nous.

Pour la capacité des mags, la majorité ici sont pinnés d'usine avec un rivet qui prendrait 10 secondes à enlever à quelqu'un qui le voudrait parce que ça coûte moins cher que de produire un mag "Canada legal" qui est restreint par sa vraie capacité.

On a énormément de choix au Canada pour tout ce qui est armes "d'assaut" semi-automatique, suffit d'avoir un permis restreint pour se les procurer dans la majorité des cas.
 
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