Des résidents de Mont-tremblant sont butthurt - UPDATE MARCH 2020

Je connais pas l'aménagement du site mais au drag a St-Élie ils ont fait un mur de conteneur derriere le burn out et faire des montagnes de terre tout le tour du terrain..

Mur de Conteneurs+village de péteux de brou de Mont-Tremblant... pas sur.
 
C’est surtout la faute de planification urbaine de la ville et de l’acharnement du Cabinet d’avocat Trudel Johnston & Lespérance (TJL). À la solde des promoteurs immobiliers. D’après vous combien ça vaut un terrain comme le Circuit sur le bord d’une rivière et d’un lac? Condos et demeures de luxes! Le cabinet Trudel Johnston & Lespérance (TJL) sont des profiteurs et ne font pas ça pour la bonne cause!!! D’après moi bien sûr!

Ce n'est pas du droit criminel ici, plutôt du droit commercial ou immobilier, donc un propriétaire contre un groupe d'autres propriétaires. La notion de ''bonne cause'' ne s'applique pas vraiment selon moi. Pas avocat pour deux sous (@Broody).

C'est ce qu'un veut contre ce que l'autre veut avec la règlementation municipale et-ou provinciale entre les deux, et potentiellement un bout de papier signé avec une promesse d'il y a 30 ans.
 
Si on reprend l'exemple des drags:

Un riche détient un terrain de 450 acres voisin de la track. Le terrain est convoité par des promoteurs pour batir un quartier résidentiel MAIS la track est un obstacle.....

Le riche enculé part visité le voisinage et se ramasse une pelleté de voisin qui embarque dans son bandwagon pour militer contre la track...



Comme argument, vos terrains vont prendre de la valeur quand la track sera plus la....
 
Je connais pas l'aménagement du site mais au drag a St-Élie ils ont fait un mur de conteneur derriere le burn out et faire des montagnes de terre tout le tour du terrain.

L'avantage d'une norme en db avec point de mesure en dehors du site est qu'au lieu de baisser le niveau sonore, tu t'arrange pour le couper.

Si Stroll a du cash c'est une opération de pas grand chose.....



La track dérange surment juste pcq c'est une track de course, le monde veulent juste la voir disparaitre, en faisant ca tu réduit pas ta clientele tout en etant legit pour fermé la gueule au voisin.


A St-Élie en plus le monde chialait pcq les chars faisait du bruit en partant de la track... Big deal la cours a dit que rendu la c'est plus le probleme de la track mais celui de la ville et c'est a elle de faire appliquer le CSR.

Les plaignants sont butt hurt en criss pcq en bout de ligne toute leur démarche regle pas vraiment le probleme qui est le monde qui font du bruit en allant et revenant de la track.

La piste est entourée d'arbre mature qui doivent grandement aider à couper le son.
 
Voici un commentaire trouver sur une page Facebook de track..

Pas fou du tout




C’est surtout la faute de planification urbaine de la ville et de l’acharnement du Cabinet d’avocat Trudel Johnston & Lespérance (TJL). À la solde des promoteurs immobiliers. D’après vous combien ça vaut un terrain comme le Circuit sur le bord d’une rivière et d’un lac? Condos et demeures de luxes! Le cabinet Trudel Johnston & Lespérance (TJL) sont des profiteurs et ne font pas ça pour la bonne cause!!! D’après moi bien sûr!
Regarde le track record de TJL, ils ne sont certainement pas à la solde de promoteurs immobiliers
 
L'avocat des demandeurs est Bruce W Johnston conjoint de Laure Waridel la fondatrice d'Équiterre. Ça vous en dis un peu sur le genre de personnage qui a poursuivi le circuit...
 
Tu construits des gros murs de tole oranges flash bin laide, 80 pied de haut tout le tour. Tu veux pas de bruit, tin des belles tôle mon criss de pas d'vie. C'est tu beau dans ton fond d'cours?
 
L'avocat des demandeurs est Bruce W Johnston conjoint de Laure Waridel la fondatrice d'Équiterre. Ça vous en dis un peu sur le genre de personnage qui a poursuivi le circuit...

Des verts avec des chalets de quelques millions lol
 
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Class action victory for citizens vs. Circuit Mont-Tremblant
March 31, 2020 by Tremblant Express 0 14387
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The members of the class action suit against Circuit Mont-Tremblant win a victory in Quebec’s Superior Court. Here’s an English version of the report.

“We won! Not on every aspect, but on the essential ones, and in a thorough and balanced decision that will be very hard to contest on appeal,” reports law firm Trudel Johnston & Lespérance (TJL).

TJL continues its report as follows.

– The racetrack is a nuisance as concerns the “special activities” and “test days” (i.e. activities to which no noise limit applies pursuant to the municipal by-law) that generate noise louder than 55 decibels (with a 3 decibel tolerance) – in other words, all of these activities.

According to the criteria set by Justice Mainville, approximately 300 residences are exposed to these noise levels – assuming two persons on average per residence, this represents potentially 600 residents who will be compensated.

– The amount of compensation varies depending on the moment at which a resident arrived, to take into account their prior knowledge of the noise issue:

i) $750 / person / year if the person arrived before August 1964;
ii) $675 / person / year if the person arrived after August 1964 but before July 2001;
iii) $300 / person / year if the person arrived between July 2001 and December 2006; and iv) $150 / person/ year if the person arrived after December 2006 – with interest in all cases.

According to our preliminary calculations, the value of the award could reach $3 million, without counting interest.

What hurts the racetrack most is obviously the finding that “special activities” and “test days” constitute a nuisance. We will thus probably be able to obtain an injunction, i.e. Court-ordered measures to end the nuisances related to these activities, if they continue.

We may also potentially be able to use the 55-decibel threshold to request an injunction regarding the “ordinary” (i.e. cars with mufflers) activities that create noise surpassing this threshold.

We feel the decision is balanced and will hold up on the appeal that will surely come from the racetrack. After a more detailed analysis of the decision we will be happy to answer your questions individually.

We hope that you and your loved ones are healthy and in good spirits, and hope that reading this historic decision will help you pass the time.



Here is a hyperlink that will allow you to access the decision rendered on March 24 by Justice Mainville of Quebec’s superior court: Tremblant Jugement.

At 111 pages, it is lengthy decision, but here’s a summary.
 
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I actually read the whole thing. (COVID-19 problems)

The track was built in 1964. The lawsuit was based on the fact that the zoning of the track was changed in 1987 at the request of the previous owner to "residential" because he wanted to close the track and develop it.

The residential project did not work out but the land immediately next to the track was sold and constructed on, and included in the city's urban planning.

So there was good reason to believe that the track would cease operations soon because it was derelict and only the racing school was using it.

However in 1999 he sold it to Stroll, who developed the track and re-opened it. Hosted Grand-Am and Champcar there and the Historic race cars.

Then there were regulations on noise in 2003 and updated in 2006. Then in 2009 you had to sign a paper that if you moved there you were aware of the noise and wouldn't sue the track.

Moral of the story is that if you buy land next to a noisy thing that isn't closed down yet, why don't you wait until it is before you buy...

Also, people are really stupid. In the lawsuit there were 2-3 houses before the track was built, and now there are 325 houses WITHIN 500M of the track. and over 3000 within 3km.

People are really fucking stupid, it's incredible.
 
I actually read the whole thing. (COVID-19 problems)

The track was built in 1964. The lawsuit was based on the fact that the zoning of the track was changed in 1987 at the request of the previous owner to "residential" because he wanted to close the track and develop it.

The residential project did not work out but the land immediately next to the track was sold and constructed on, and included in the city's urban planning.

So there was good reason to believe that the track would cease operations soon because it was derelict and only the racing school was using it.

However in 1999 he sold it to Stroll, who developed the track and re-opened it. Hosted Grand-Am and Champcar there and the Historic race cars.

Then there were regulations on noise in 2003 and updated in 2006. Then in 2009 you had to sign a paper that if you moved there you were aware of the noise and wouldn't sue the track.

Moral of the story is that if you buy land next to a noisy thing that isn't closed down yet, why don't you wait until it is before you buy...

Also, people are really stupid. In the lawsuit there were 2-3 houses before the track was built, and now there are 325 houses WITHIN 500M of the track. and over 3000 within 3km.

People are really fucking stupid, it's incredible.
Wow I think you are the 3rd person to have actually read it. Lots of problems could have been solved if the track was willing to work with the locals vs buzzing the place in a chopper.

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