VW TDI (post diesel gate) worth it?

I actually think that the drive of the 3rd gen mazda 3 is pretty much equal to what a golf can offer.

Keep in mind that the mazda 3 has a 5 year/unlimited km powertrain warranty.
 
D_Accord said:
That's basically what I was thinking with the diesel price being around the same or a bit more expensive than gasoline I won't save as much. I may fill up less frequently and know that most diesel engines won't crap out on me at 250km if cared for properly. Ah decisions decisions...
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The engine block won't split in two or throw a rod, that's basically a given.

What's not sure is how long the injectors, turbo and all the added filters and after treatments will last. Throw a new emissions above all tune into the mix, and this affects how those components all "play together"

Older diesels were efficient and reliable. Now, they also have to be clean, powerful and quiet as well as efficient. Will this also make them reliable? Can you really have it all? Doubtful. VW probably didn't think so considering they chose to compromise the cleanliness of them. Ram also cheated with the ecodiesel, trying to use every loophole to disable EGR as much as possible.

What used to be simple components (ie injectors) are increasingly complex. They will have multiple injection events per stroke to try and meet efficiency, power and noise/vibration/harshness.

I don't know about the VWs, but the Ecodiesel could have 8 injection "events" per stroke. It's all fun and games when everything is in tip/top shape but this doesn't leave much margin for errors when equipment gets older. This also causes additional wear and tear. 8 injections vs 1 compared to say an early 2000 diesel.

They're a completely new (and fickle) beast compared to old school diesels. The whole "it's a diesel, it's gonna last forever argument" isn't what it used to be IMO
 
kahos said:
They're a completely new (and fickle) beast compared to old school diesels. The whole "it's a diesel, it's gonna last forever argument" isn't what it used to be IMO
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je me demande si le Cummins 6.7 de 2008 est identique a celui de 2018. ya tu plus de gizmo ou c'est la meme patente ?
 
Cabanon said:
je me demande si le Cummins 6.7 de 2008 est identique a celui de 2018. ya tu plus de gizmo ou c'est la meme patente ?
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Physiquement du moteur parlant c'est surement la meme affaire....mais controleur, sensor, anti-pollution c'est garanti que c'est crissement pas la meme affaire
 
Cabanon said:
je me demande si le Cummins 6.7 de 2008 est identique a celui de 2018. ya tu plus de gizmo ou c'est la meme patente ?
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J'pourrais pas te dire exactement les changements mécaniques sont lesquels sur le moteur lui même, mais c'était pas mêmes normes d'antipollution et les ratings de puissance ont pas mal augmenter. C'est passer d'a peu pres 350hp et 650lbft de torque en 2008 a 800lbft en genre 2012 et ça monter jusqu'a 385hp et 900lbft récemment (dépendant du choix de transmission: La manuel est derater a genre 650, la Transmission Chrysler monte jusqu'a 800 de mémoire et la Aisin a 900)

Un 2008 avait le DPF, mais pas d'injection de DEF. Un nouveau 2013+ va avoir les deux et l'ECU va être encrypter pour éviter les modifications. Les tuner ont réussi a le bypasser avec le temps mais c'est pas autant plug and play qu'avant.

Même gamique pour les nouveau duramax. J'pense pas qu'ils aient encore réussi a briser l'encryption sur les 2017+ (L5P)
 
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k so I pulled the trigger on one and I'm already pretty amazed by its fuel efficiency. 120km/h and I'm doing 5.5L/100km at almost 0 degrees. My Elantra was doing 6.5L/100km
 
D_Accord said:
k so I pulled the trigger on one and I'm already pretty amazed by its fuel efficiency. 120km/h and I'm doing 5.5L/100km at almost 0 degrees. My Elantra was doing 6.5L/100km
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But the car is more pricey and gas as well.

All in all, you have to be in for the longer term and presume this:

1- Maintenance will be minimal/cheaper
2- Higher resell value
3- Longer lifespan than a gas engine.
 
BoxsterBoy said:
But the car is more pricey and gas as well.
All in all, you have to be in for the longer term and presume this:
1- Maintenance will be minimal/cheaper
2- Higher resell value
3- Longer lifespan than a gas engine.
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Yes, I did the math and I do 40k km/year with the gas price vs diesel price I won't save (probably break even) but I can go longer on a full tank (filling up every 3 days in -20c is no fun) if diesel price drops now that harvest season is over maybe I can save some. I bought for the durability and always wanted a diesel car.

maxpat82 said:
Detail of the car bought?
year milleage price?
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2014 Jetta TDI comfortline automatic (for the wife who doesn't drive manual) basic (no touch screen or steering wheel controls) only Bluetooth+sunroof. 78,000km on the odometer. around $14k with warranty (2 years/40000km) if I didn't take it the interest was gonna be 6.99%.. bitch please, I wasn't gonna pay 1,5k-2k in interest... got it at 0.99% and took the warranty + VW Canada diesel warranty till 193,000km/10 years.
oh yeah just to add, dsg tranny flush, all 4 disks, 4 new tires and oil change done at their cost.
 
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pretty sure it's not a DSG but a regular automatic.

Plus if it's DSG you need to chance the filter
 
my neighbor had a TDI 2014 jetta that he got fixed under diesel gate recall. Had constant issues for a year after that, spend at least 6 weeks to the dealer. Sold it after a year, he was fed up.
 
J'aurais pas fait le move(C'est 6000$ de plus que mon focus...pour un char équivalent lors de mon achat age/milleage/option pour seulement ~1-1,5l/100) mais congratz pour l'achat.
 
Setak said:
pretty sure it's not a DSG but a regular automatic.
Plus if it's DSG you need to chance the filter
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It does say DSG on the shifter knob ( I know nothing about DSG) and yes filters were changed too.

Rob_SeR said:
my neighbor had a TDI 2014 jetta that he got fixed under diesel gate recall. Had constant issues for a year after that, spend at least 6 weeks to the dealer. Sold it after a year, he was fed up.
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Hope it's not my case! or if anything breaks I hope it's something under warranty :D

maxpat82 said:
J'aurais pas fait le move(C'est 6000$ de plus que mon focus...pour un char équivalent lors de mon achat age/milleage/option pour seulement ~1-1,5l/100) mais congratz pour l'achat.
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J'ai pense a ca mais Je vais garder cella-la pour un bon 4 ans et d'apres ce que J'ai vu le moteur est solid et la garantie prolongee jusqu'a 193,000km... c'etait un deal pour moi. Je fais 130km par jour sur l'autoroute alors un diesel ca aide. Je dois avouer que J'aime la conduite aussi.
 
D_Accord said:
J'ai pense a ca mais Je vais garder cella-la pour un bon 4 ans et d'apres ce que J'ai vu le moteur est solid et la garantie prolongee jusqu'a 193,000km... c'etait un deal pour moi. Je fais 130km par jour sur l'autoroute alors un diesel ca aide. Je dois avouer que J'aime la conduite aussi.
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c'est le char que ma blonde se sert et elle fait 160km/jour pour son voyagement au bureau.
ET en calculant a ~40K km j'en aurait pour 7 ans avant d'etre positif sur l'achat d'un diesel. :|

Mais j'avoue que VW c'est plaisant a conduire.
 
J'ai un Golf Wagon Tdi 6MT 2012 que j'ai acheté neuf et qui a 180k km au compteur.
- les Golf sont vraiment mieux. surtout au niveau de la finition, mon Confortline est beaucoup mieux que le jetta 2012 highline tdi d'un ami.
- si tu peux, évite les toits panoramiques, rattles de fou!
- Le diesel est entre 10 et 20¢ de moins le litre que le gaz 7-8 mois par année, de mi-novembre à mi-avril il est 10¢ plus cher. mais faut que tu magasines, les indépendants sont souvent moins cher. et il y a presque pas de fluctuation.
- avant le rappel j'avais un moyenne de 4.9l/100 à 50/50 ville-autoroute l'été et 6l/100km l'hiver, après le fix, je suis à 5.5l/100km l'été et sur l'autoroute à 116km/h je vois rarement moins de 4.0L/100km ce qui était fréquent avant. j'ai hâte de voir cet hiver.
- avant le rappel la seul chose que j'ai changé c'est le sensor #1 sur le turbo. après le rappel rien, a part la timingbell à 160k km roule comme un charme.
j'ai l'intention de le garder jusqu'à 300k km... après E-Golf
même après le fix, je fais entre 900-1000km par 55L de diesel.
et mon Golf est toujours garantie jusqu'à 250k km....
 
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Second tank and doing mostly highway I drove a 130km I'm expected to do 1000km on a 55L tank (although real life would be closer to 850-900km)
Going from Park to Drive when I let go off the brakes there's a slight jerk and a rumbling noise which some say is normal because the car's got lots of bottom end torque but I find that a bit weird. Going to the dealer to have it checked out.
Don't have a block heater cable but I wonder if it is 100% necessary, so many say it's not but my car can sometimes be outside for a whole day at work while at home I have a indoor garage/shelter.
 
I drove by an Ultramar station yesterday that advertised $1.00/L regular unleaded gas and diesel at $1.25/L. It made me wonder why the difference was so large and if you owned a diesel powered vehicle, would you still be saving money in operating costs vs. a gas powered one?
 
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