Transgender & Self Id Men as Women in sports competing with women

Grim said:
Triggered hard. LOL at attacking me now. Insecure about women also? hahahha

My point did not change at all. YES she had female superiority delusions. If she would have LOST to Richards in the 70's it would have been unfair then. Its only fair because she won. She was able to beat one transwoman in a very technical sport.

Transwomen can compete only if real women end up winning championships to maintain the feel good real woman superiority. If not its unfair. Its exactly what is happening in many female sports right now. Hence this thread.. what are you debating???

Transwomen are physically superior to women. So yes, it seems women are physically subpar with transwomen (and 15 year old boys).

Your 'data' reinforced my argument. Emotional reactions and condescending answers do not sway my assessment or counters any argument. Wow dude. Seriously???

Is your post a poor attempt at trolling or are you a fierce feminist? You seem violentely angry at me for stating logical statements empty of emotion. You should get therapy for anger management.

Yes I find female sports a joke (it also sells incredibly bad so most humans also do) but its my only macho bias. I do appreciate their will to compete at their level.
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man... you realize you are just talking to yourself and not addressing any points Thepapi brought forth? You sound like a 17years old with over above average writing skill who has only the internet as a source of pre-digested talking points. Hence why you sound like an internet bot...
 
vladjet2000 said:
you know what I wonder? trans that are actually fully switched.. how come trans women that are currently men win exactly 0 competitions against men?
yet men that have switched are winning against their current gender.. where's the equality in that?
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I think there's a trans dude that qualified for the US running team, which is impressive in itself and had some success but other than that not that I can think of.

Speaking of equality, in some associations or sports, trans women have to have had full surgery, plus two years of hormone treatment and a T level under 10 or something, but for trans men the requirements are not nearly as strict. I wonder why.

Apparently Fallon Fox passed these guidelines no problem, but still has a nearly perfect record. Again, I wonder why.

I'm glad that these highly successful retired athletes are speaking out against this. They don't have any sponsors to nurture just to have a gig the next year. Current pro athletes are stuck between biology and public opinion...
 
Grim said:
what are you debating??
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I pointed out your hysterical identity politics and radical opinions in a conversation about how another kind of hysterical identity politics and radical opinions have creeped into sports and could pose a serious safety and fairness problem.

I'm pretty far from a feminist bud, but I'm also not a label slinging tribalized dummy.
 
Grim said:
Triggered hard. LOL at attacking me now. Insecure about women also? hahahha

My point did not change at all. YES she had female superiority delusions. If she would have LOST to Richards in the 70's it would have been unfair then. Its only fair because she won. She was able to beat one transwoman in a very technical sport.

Transwomen can compete only if real women end up winning championships to maintain the feel good real woman superiority. If not its unfair. Its exactly what is happening in many female sports right now. Hence this thread.. what are you debating???

Transwomen are physically superior to women. So yes, it seems women are physically subpar with transwomen (and 15 year old boys).

Your 'data' reinforced my argument. Emotional reactions and condescending answers do not sway my assessment or counters any argument. Wow dude. Seriously???

Is your post a poor attempt at trolling or are you a fierce feminist? You seem violentely angry at me for stating logical statements empty of emotion. You should get therapy for anger management.

Yes I find female sports a joke (it also sells incredibly bad so most humans also do) but its my only macho bias. I do appreciate their will to compete at their level.
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Are you stating that all women are subpar to trans men? Or just the elites is the sporting world?
 
haha je l avais caller

Transgenre est comme d autre animal dans la nature.
Mimic le sex oposer parceque il ne peut pas competitionner contre les autre du meme sex.
 
Grim said:
Clearly in general real women are physically subpar to transwomen or there would currently be no debate at all. If women would still be winning over transwomen in all fields, it would be 'fair'. Its only unfair when women are not ahead.

Feminists were hoping this was not to be the case since female superiority and empowerment is now the norm in western culture. Transwomen are removing the credibility from their agenda. They are demonstrating that a man even with a testosterone level to near zero, is still physically superior to a woman. Feminists were hoping to use transwomen as a way to display female's physical strenghts and take stabs at men.
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You didn't really answer my question, but thanks for the verbal diarrhea.

On topic, are you capable of picking up 500lbs?
 
It matters because someone who has spent years training will outperform your average person any day.

Going by your numbers, you are subpar to a 125lb girl.
 
PsychoBandito said:
It matters because someone who has spent years training will outperform your average person any day.

Going by your numbers, you are subpar to a 125lb girl.
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125lbs girls can deadlift 425 and overhead 180?? Probably a few top althetes in the world ya but not many..
 
Grim said:
I'm also 39 years old. I use to deadlift over 550 lbs for reps lol.

Dont bother dude, his logic is flawed.
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How is my logic flawed?

This whole thread is about an insecure beta male with obvious mental issues running a womens marathon. The complaint is that it's going to ruin it for all the women, even though his qualifying time was 1.5 hours slower than the fastest womens time. An elite woman, or even an intermediate, is still going to beat him.

It's not like this is some pandemic that elite male athletes are going to start competing in womens sports that don't make any money anyway. It's one fucked up dude going for a run that will probably finish in the back of the pack anyway.

Also, the fact that you just throw out you used to rep 550, and not give a single 1rm, and refer to it as "overhead press from the ground", and not a clean and press, clean and jerk, or snatch, makes you sound like the old dude who used to bench 315 in high school, but now he's got bad elbows.
 
So many, what, 5, maybe 10.

I can only laugh at someone who is stating I have emotional irrationality, while being terrified men are going to take over womens sports.

Also, lol @ that's how you get injured. You're obviously a very seasoned gym veteran who deadlifts "over 550 for reps" but 1rm gets you injured. You and bad306 must be training partners.
 
ThePapi said:
I think there's a trans dude that qualified for the US running team, which is impressive in itself and had some success but other than that not that I can think of.

Speaking of equality, in some associations or sports, trans women have to have had full surgery, plus two years of hormone treatment and a T level under 10 or something, but for trans men the requirements are not nearly as strict. I wonder why.

Apparently Fallon Fox passed these guidelines no problem, but still has a nearly perfect record. Again, I wonder why.

I'm glad that these highly successful retired athletes are speaking out against this. They don't have any sponsors to nurture just to have a gig the next year. Current pro athletes are stuck between biology and public opinion...
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The main reason why transwomen will still win, is that even if they had full surgery and 2year of hormone therapy, they still grew up as men. Which mean different growth, bone structure, muscle structure, tendons, bigger nerve rooting and even neurological triggering system. On average, men will have a better power and maximum volontary contraction because of a more powerful nervous system output. In the end they will still have better physiological and biomecanical systems to overpower women.

The only thing I would be curious to see in terms of differences is if you take a transwomen that have done the changes at a very early age (before adolescence)
 
Grim said:
You're the one terrified. I clearly mentionned I found it hilarious. You are the white knight social justice warrior blindly defending women in this thread.

Your reading skills seem to be selective like my wife.

Okay kid. 1rm does greatly raise the odds of injury if you workout 4 days a week for 20+ years. Are you trolling or simply ignorant? After that comment, I clearly know you have no idea what you're talking about.
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The irony of calling me "kid" while having the debating skills of a 5 year old are is incredible. Are you capable of discussing anything without random insults? Or is it your death spiral when you realise you have no concrete arguements for anything.

The basis of every point I have made is that a handful of psychologically unwell people is not going to destroy the female sporting world.

If anything, It would been seen as defending trans people (which, however, I am not doing), yet you are accusing me of blindly defending women. The only women I have mentioned are elite level athletes that will still outperform the general population of men.

As far as knowledge on the subject of lifting, I have been posting in the bodybuilding section for several years, including footage of several lifts throughout my training. I don't need to inflate numbers as I post my actual lifts, while 1rm every 16 weeks on a varying intensity/volume scale, using my previous 1 rm to set new RPE and % based blocks to assure consistency in growth.
 
cassard said:
The main reason why transwomen will still win, is that even if they had full surgery and 2year of hormone therapy, they still grew up as men. Which mean different growth, bone structure, muscle structure, tendons, bigger nerve rooting and even neurological triggering system. On average, men will have a better power and maximum volontary contraction because of a more powerful nervous system output. In the end they will still have better physiological and biomecanical systems to overpower women.

The only thing I would be curious to see in terms of differences is if you take a transwomen that have done the changes at a very early age (before adolescence)
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I don't actually wonder why, it was ironic. Sorry about that.

Grim said:
You cannot train or add on bone density through exercise. Furthermore, if a transwomen was working out and training hard with heavy weights before transitioning, she will be able to regain muscle mass thanks muscle memory.
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Not through exercice but through hormones to some extent I *think* they do end up packing a little more bone. However not enough to be on par with bio men of pretty much any prime age for any discipline. There was a rogan podcast with a trans porn star bodybuilding dude his name is Buck Angel. Even he was like "Hormones or not I had to knock it off with the bodybuilding at some point because I was killing my joints and was in a lot of pain" and when you look at his old pictures that were shown during the podcast it's like wow this fucking guy used to be a woman HOLY SHIT. But then the frame underneath was really wearing him down.

This guy might've been okay in local bodybuilding competitions but on a national or even state level? Forget it, he would've been self-destroying himself playing catch up for a career.

If his goal was to be a pro bodybuilder regardless of gender, he should've stayed a woman with the same dedication. Homegirl would've slayed.
 
Grim said:
You started the insults, kid. How is this anything else than a personal insulting attack? LOL
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ver·bal di·ar·rhe·a
noun INFORMAL
the fact or habit of talking too much.

You went on a rant rather than answering a question. Are you that easily triggered?

Anyway, you have made my drive quite entertaining, but I will leave you to proclaim victory.

Btw, I searched your name in our BB section. No posts. Drop in sometime and post what you've got, that section could use more experienced lifters and less Bad306s.
 
ThePapi said:
I don't actually wonder why, it was ironic. Sorry about that.



Not through exercice but through hormones to some extent I *think* they do end up packing a little more bone. However not enough to be on par with bio men of pretty much any prime age for any discipline. There was a rogan podcast with a trans porn star bodybuilding dude his name is Buck Angel. Even he was like "Hormones or not I had to knock it off with the bodybuilding at some point because I was killing my joints and was in a lot of pain" and when you look at his old pictures that were shown during the podcast it's like wow this fucking guy used to be a woman HOLY SHIT. But then the frame underneath was really wearing him down.

This guy might've been okay in local bodybuilding competitions but on a national or even state level? Forget it, he would've been self-destroying himself playing catch up for a career.

If his goal was to be a pro bodybuilder regardless of gender, he should've stayed a woman with the same dedication. Homegirl would've slayed.
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eheh I was taking a guess if you were ironic or not.

To clear things in your other point with grim. Yes, you can increase your bone density with training. It will take either impact training or very heavy lifting, since the bones just like tendons reacts and adapts to mecanical stress and not physiological stress. Altough men will get better results then women since they're more biologically made to sustain and adapt to physical stress then women.
 
Grim said:
I did answer both your questions. Both had nothing to do at all with this thread. They were directed at me in a condescending way which is an insult. It was clearly your intention, kid.

You asked about Trans Men when the thread is about Trans Women.

Then you asked about how much I lift to try and demonstrate nothing plausible or related to this thread. Basically your
objective was childish personal attacks.

After that, you displayed a clear lack of knowledge and ignorance on many subjects.

1rms = Compete or ego boost/cope.

Lost hard at: I do 1rms every x weeks to see my progress.

Here is my translation to your gibberish:
'I take the risk of injuring myself every x weeks so I can get a temporary ego boost by comparing my meaningless strenght numbers to other men.'

aka COPE.

You may proclaim 'victory' if it helps you feel better about yourself. I will even let you win. You're an amazing man.
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Have you ever followed a strength based program? They almost entirely use 1RMs to base percentages for working sets. I do not compare mine to other men, I compare them to where I was 16 weeks before. If you think that is "gibberis" so be it, but it is an extremely common practice.

The reason I asked you how much you can deadlift is not a personal attack. You have continued to state a female cannot compete with the average male, yet there are many women deadlifting 400+. The point of asking was to show that with training, a woman can far outperform the average male. Even yourself, with 15+ years experience is below a world class female. There is nothing to be ashamed about that, it is simply a level of dedication that many people do not have.

When I said trans men, I was referring to a male transfering to a female, as I still consider them men.

Once again, I have posted for several years in the BB section here, and do not give "bad advice". If you wish, I can share several PDF templates of powerlifting or powerbuilding programs using 1rm referencing.

If you truly do have the experience you claim, maybe considering adding valuable content to this forum by helping members who ask for advice in that section. Other than a bad apple, everyone is friendly and supportive of each other.

I assume however, that you will just continue to call me "kid", not knowing who I am, or what my age is.
 
Grim said:
You may correct me if I'm wrong but most studies and articles I've read on increasing bone density contradict themselves.

Older men seem incapable of increasing their bone density even with very heavy lifting.

Scenario:
Average female reaches 21 years old.
Transitions to a male. Will this person be able to increase his bone density to that of an average man?

I think Trans Men cannot compete with women because of testosterone and cannot compete with men because they will never be competitive
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In one way you are not totally wrong, but you give a specific type of population.

The case for older men, yes it is hard to gain bone density. Since the adaptation of bone density is mainly due to hormonal response, minerals (calcium) and vitamines (D) to problem is because they get lower and lower production or intake of thoses things when men ages. You will lose about 1% of your testosterone production every year from your 30s and older. So the lack of those compounds in you're body makes gaining bone density hard. Although, heavy lifting and impact training will help maintain the bone density you already have. Pretty much the same principle apply to muscle mass.

So you talked about an older male but this principale doesn't apply the same way to younger people.

The case of a 21 years old female transisionning to a man, I don't think that she/he will gain the same amount of bone density of an average male because she/he went trough puberty as a female. SInce it's a very very important physiological change in the body there is to much done to get as good result. Although I think that with good training she/he could get better results than of an average female. I didn't read any study, I base my assumption with the knowledge of health science that I acquired in my field)
 
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