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    Bonne fête des Patriotes

    Mes pensées vont à ceux et celles qui ont donné leur vie pour nous permettre un jour d'atteindre notre liberté.
    Que notre émancipation soit des plus rayonnantes. Merci aux hommes et aux femmes qui se donnent corps et âme pour permettre le dialogue et montrer le vrai visage de l'ennemi.
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    J'aime mieux fêter la reine.

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    Vive la Reine!

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    Vive la reine


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    J'aimais mieux lorsque c'était la fête de Dollard.

    Dollard des Ormeaux. Les Anglais haïssaient ça que les Francophones du Canada fêtent un patriote francophone au lieu de leur reine.

    Fuck la Reine Victoria. Fuck la Reine Élizabeth. /notmyqueen

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    Fuck la monarchie en general


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    The lack historic knowledge in this thread is painful How it's been twisted is hilarious. In theory most of Canada should be celebrating Patriots Day

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    The lack historic knowledge in this thread is painful
    Check le gars qui donne un coup d'épée dans l'eau parce qu'il pense qu'il détient la vérité à propos de notre histoire. lol

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    God bless the Queen. Happy Victoria day.

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    God bless the Queen. Happy Victoria day.
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    Vive la reine? Vous troller j'espère lol. On peut être contre la séparation du Québec (jen fait partit), mais la reine... caliss les boys.

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    Check le gars qui donne un coup d'épée dans l'eau parce qu'il pense qu'il détient la vérité à propos de notre histoire. lol
    The basic principles of the rebellions were for responsible government with elected officials who represented with accountability vs the Colonial Style of Government with appointed leaders by a monarch that never stepped foot on the soil. Reasons very similar to what the US had fought for. While it's a complex subject and we can go on for hours with different subjects Political Reform was the largest cause.

    The British could have ethically cleansed Upper and Lower Canada as they had done and did elsewhere. We need to look at why they didn't

    1. Resources were stretched thin for the British. They were tangled up elsewhere in other ventures of colonialism or battling some other country. Stabilizing the "situation" here was paramount. At first they didn't budge but after the US gained or should I say announced independence they quickly Passed the Quebec Act. Which restored French Civil Law and religious freedom.

    2. Money. The British after losing the USA was bleeding cash and suffering from lack of raw goods... Timber was a huge issue to the British... See Royal Navy. What did Canada have? Lots of Timber.. just one example of goods. Then just as today fighting wars across an ocean cost money,... Stuff like beaverpelts and junk were our of fashion and most didn't give a crap about. Timber, Iron Ore, copper and tin were the money makers...

    Back then it took months to reinforce and supply. It would cost a ton of ton of cash and resources. The French population wasn't really causing headaches so why bother?

    3. A loyal French population could be called upon to quell any invasion from the USA when needed. The British knew the USA would skirmish into Canada. The Americans were actually less trusted than the British by the French population . The French population defended brilliantly from Americans.

    4. Just as today wars were somewhat unpopular. Who wants to die defending some place they never heard of or seen? Worse the British were paranoid about a possible rebellion on their own soil due to the all wars and social class system. For years France had been the natural enemy of the British and were defeated at Quebec... Why bother fighting another war there with a local population that outnumbered the British but as I said weren't causing too many problems... This isn't even taking into the account the Natives and their various wars or conflicts going on.

    It gets to the point though where the people want to self govern and not want to be under the umbrella of a legislative assembly across an ocean.

    The ramifications of the French Population accepting the status quo changed and built up into a full scale melt down by the end of the 60s. I don't think the English are solely to blame throughout the years. It certainly didn't help that guys like Duplessis for example ruled his population with an iron fist and kept most of the population in a miniature dark age... Then the Parti Quebecois having no real economic platform which didn't help matters.

    The narrative most believe is that it's a language issue. However it's always been a political acceptance struggle or "Hey look at me" from not just Quebec but RoC.

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    The basic principles of the rebellions were for responsible government with elected officials who represented with accountability vs the Colonial Style of Government with appointed leaders by a monarch that never stepped foot on the soil. Reasons very similar to what the US had fought for. While it's a complex subject and we can go on for hours with different subjects Political Reform was the largest cause.

    The British could have ethically cleansed Upper and Lower Canada as they had done and did elsewhere. We need to look at why they didn't

    1. Resources were stretched thin for the British. They were tangled up elsewhere in other ventures of colonialism or battling some other country. Stabilizing the "situation" here was paramount. At first they didn't budge but after the US gained or should I say announced independence they quickly Passed the Quebec Act. Which restored French Civil Law and religious freedom.

    2. Money. The British after losing the USA was bleeding cash and suffering from lack of raw goods... Timber was a huge issue to the British... See Royal Navy. What did Canada have? Lots of Timber.. just one example of goods. Then just as today fighting wars across an ocean cost money,... Stuff like beaverpelts and junk were our of fashion and most didn't give a crap about. Timber, Iron Ore, copper and tin were the money makers...

    Back then it took months to reinforce and supply. It would cost a ton of ton of cash and resources. The French population wasn't really causing headaches so why bother?

    3. A loyal French population could be called upon to quell any invasion from the USA when needed. The British knew the USA would skirmish into Canada. The Americans were actually less trusted than the British by the French population . The French population defended brilliantly from Americans.

    4. Just as today wars were somewhat unpopular. Who wants to die defending some place they never heard of or seen? Worse the British were paranoid about a possible rebellion on their own soil due to the all wars and social class system. For years France had been the natural enemy of the British and were defeated at Quebec... Why bother fighting another war there with a local population that outnumbered the British but as I said weren't causing too many problems... This isn't even taking into the account the Natives and their various wars or conflicts going on.

    It gets to the point though where the people want to self govern and not want to be under the umbrella of a legislative assembly across an ocean.

    The ramifications of the French Population accepting the status quo changed and built up into a full scale melt down by the end of the 60s. I don't think the English are solely to blame throughout the years. It certainly didn't help that guys like Duplessis for example ruled his population with an iron fist and kept most of the population in a miniature dark age... Then the Parti Quebecois having no real economic platform which didn't help matters.

    The narrative most believe is that it's a language issue. However it's always been a political acceptance struggle or "Hey look at me" from not just Quebec but RoC.
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    No. I actually studied History and still read books on various subjects from around that period yea believe it or not I still find time to read. I've learned how the story can be manipulated for special interest groups.

    Canada got lucky with being a colony and prospered. It worked! Geographically well placed, decent resources, stability and the lot. Hong Kong is another example of how it worked, Aussieland... Most colonies ended up rank shitholes... Most french ones for example..

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    The basic principles of the rebellions were for responsible government with elected officials who represented with accountability vs the Colonial Style of Government with appointed leaders by a monarch that never stepped foot on the soil. Reasons very similar to what the US had fought for. While it's a complex subject and we can go on for hours with different subjects Political Reform was the largest cause.

    The British could have ethically cleansed Upper and Lower Canada as they had done and did elsewhere. We need to look at why they didn't

    1. Resources were stretched thin for the British. They were tangled up elsewhere in other ventures of colonialism or battling some other country. Stabilizing the "situation" here was paramount. At first they didn't budge but after the US gained or should I say announced independence they quickly Passed the Quebec Act. Which restored French Civil Law and religious freedom.

    2. Money. The British after losing the USA was bleeding cash and suffering from lack of raw goods... Timber was a huge issue to the British... See Royal Navy. What did Canada have? Lots of Timber.. just one example of goods. Then just as today fighting wars across an ocean cost money,... Stuff like beaverpelts and junk were our of fashion and most didn't give a crap about. Timber, Iron Ore, copper and tin were the money makers...

    Back then it took months to reinforce and supply. It would cost a ton of ton of cash and resources. The French population wasn't really causing headaches so why bother?

    3. A loyal French population could be called upon to quell any invasion from the USA when needed. The British knew the USA would skirmish into Canada. The Americans were actually less trusted than the British by the French population . The French population defended brilliantly from Americans.

    4. Just as today wars were somewhat unpopular. Who wants to die defending some place they never heard of or seen? Worse the British were paranoid about a possible rebellion on their own soil due to the all wars and social class system. For years France had been the natural enemy of the British and were defeated at Quebec... Why bother fighting another war there with a local population that outnumbered the British but as I said weren't causing too many problems... This isn't even taking into the account the Natives and their various wars or conflicts going on.

    It gets to the point though where the people want to self govern and not want to be under the umbrella of a legislative assembly across an ocean.

    The ramifications of the French Population accepting the status quo changed and built up into a full scale melt down by the end of the 60s. I don't think the English are solely to blame throughout the years. It certainly didn't help that guys like Duplessis for example ruled his population with an iron fist and kept most of the population in a miniature dark age... Then the Parti Quebecois having no real economic platform which didn't help matters.

    The narrative most believe is that it's a language issue. However it's always been a political acceptance struggle or "Hey look at me" from not just Quebec but RoC.
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    Vive Dollard des Ormeaux. Qui, de par son sacrifice, a sauvé d'une invasion certaine de Ville-Marie par les Iroquois.

    Vive tous les autres patriotes par la suite qui se sont battus pour le fait français en Amérique du Nord. Et à nos ancêtres qui a refusé l'asservissement par les Anglais.

    La première fête de Dollar a été justement fêtée sur les terrains actuels de la Gare Windsor et qui se voulait un pied-de-nez à la fête de la Reine Victoria, aux Anglais et à leur establishment. Mêmes les Irlandais y étaient invités!

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    tl;dr

    Vive Dollard des Ormeaux. Qui, de par son sacrifice, a sauvé d'une invasion certaine de Ville-Marie par les Iroquois.

    Vive tous les autres patriotes par la suite qui se sont battus pour le fait français en Amérique du Nord. Et à nos ancêtres qui a refusé l'asservissement par les Anglais.

    La première fête de Dollar a été justement fêtée sur les terrains actuels de la Gare Windsor et qui se voulait un pied-de-nez à la fête de la Reine Victoria, aux Anglais et à leur establishment. Mêmes les Irlandais y étaient invités!
    Previously yes

    Except the celebration of "Patriots Day" in Quebec has to do with the Rebellions of 1837-1838 and is recognized as such

    When the French showed up they arrived just as the Natives were fighting a brutal war.

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