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Most violent weekend in Chicago this year: At least 52 shot, 8 fatally
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...ally-weekend-gun-violence-20190603-story.html

At least 52 people were shot, eight of them fatally, across Chicago over the weekend, the most violent of the year as summer gets underway, with a toll even higher than during the long Memorial Day holiday just a week earlier.

More than half the victims were wounded during a 12-hour burst of gunfire from Friday evening to Saturday morning. At least four of the 31 people shot during that time died after attacks on the West and South sides. At least one other person over the weekend was fatally stabbed, bringing the homicide toll to nine.

The level of violence, which typically spikes during the summer months, eclipsed that of the three-day Memorial Day weekend when at least 43 people were shot, seven of them fatally. Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson held a news conference Monday morning, calling the level of violence “despicable.”

In a statement Sunday night, the department’s chief spokesman said Johnson ordered “targeted patrols” in areas of potential retaliation by gangs. “Those efforts have resulted in 19 arrests on gun-related charges and 81 illegal weapons seized since Friday evening,” Anthony Guglielmi said. “Several people of interest are also being questioned in relation to some of our incidents and detectives have good video leads in others.”

The most recent homicides from the weekend happened Sunday morning in the Old Town Triangle neighborhood on the North Side. Two men were found dead around 6 a.m. inside a car hit by at least a dozen bullets in the 100 block of West North Avenue, according to police.

The driver, Tavion Matthews, 22, was shot several times in the back and a passenger, Marcus Walker Jr., 25, also suffered several gunshot wounds. They were pronounced dead at the scene, according to the Cook County medical examiner’s office. Both lived in Old Town.

The two were shot when at least two people in a white car traveling west on North Avenue opened fire, police said. The shooters drove off north on LaSalle Street, police said.

Less than two hours earlier, Denise Weekly, 26, was shot and killed in the 4900 block of South Princeton Avenue in Fuller Park on the South Side, police said. She was struck in the chest and taken to the University of Chicago Hospital, where she died, police said.

On Saturday morning, four people were shot in the Gold Coast neighborhood and, hours later, another four people were shot in the Austin neighborhood on the West Side.

In the first shooting, around 2 a.m., two men standing outside a red van in the 300 block of East Chicago Avenue heard gunshots and saw several cars speeding away. They were both hit and went to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, about a block away, police said.

One of the men, 28, was shot in both legs and the other, 26 was shot in the buttocks. Both were stabilized, police said.

Two other men, 28 and 25, were also shot there and drove off in a silver Toyota sedan until they flagged down an ambulance at Cermak Road and State Street, police said. The 28-year-old suffered a graze wound to the head and was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, where he was stabilized. The 25-year-old was shot in the head and stabilized at Stroger Hospital.

The shooting in Austin was about 9:50 p.m. Police said at least one gunman opened fire in the 5600 block of West Madison Street, hitting four people in the parking lot across the street.

A 17-year-old girl was hit in the lower backside and taken to Stroger Hospital, where she was stabilized. A 17-year-old boy was also wounded in the lower backside and stabilized at Mount Sinai Hospital, police said. An 18-year-old man was shot in the neck and taken in critical condition to Stroger. A 22-year-old man was shot in the arm and stabilized at Mount Sinai, police said.

Police said they did not know who the intended target or targets were, or whether the four knew each other.

The most recent shooting this weekend happened Monday morning in the Grand Crossing neighborhood in the South Side. A 27-year-old woman was inside a red Toyota sedan with a man when the two began arguing, police said. The man pepper-sprayed the woman and shot her leg. She was taken to University of Chicago Medical Center in good condition, police said.

The youngest shooting victim from the weekend was a 16-year-old boy wounded in the Little Village neighborhood. About 8:10 p.m., the teen was walking north in the 2200 block of South California Avenue when another male flashed a handgun and opened fire, police said.

The 16-year-old was hit in the right shoulder and taken to Mount Sinai Hospital in good condition, police said.
 
Ya vraiment absolument rien a faire avec ces villes la aux US. Apart construire une cloture autour des villes et y crisser le feu.
 
Chicongo... Not surprised. Wait until a summer heat wave hits, they'll really start shooting things up.
 
Pas sur de comprendre le lien entre le titre et l'article?

Le titre laisse sous-entendre que bannir les guns sert clairement à rien, mais l'article parle de 52 personnes tirées en une fin de semaine, dans un état où les armes et le concealed carry sont légal lol :dunno:
 
Chicongo... Not surprised. Wait until a summer heat wave hits, they'll really start shooting things up.

Chiraq... Where the Army sends their doctors to the ER to prepare them for the gun shot wounds they might be called upon to treat on the battlefield. 'Merica!

Pas sur de comprendre le lien entre le titre et l'article?

Le titre laisse sous-entendre que bannir les guns sert clairement à rien, mais l'article parle de 52 personnes tirées en une fin de semaine, dans un état où les armes et le concealed carry sont légal lol :dunno:

La ville de Chicago a des normes plus strictes que l'état en général. Un peu comme NYC j'imagine.

D'un autre coté... J'imagine que ça pourrais être encore pire (que 4000 blessures par balle/an) sans ces reglements la?

Pour certains c'est la preuve que le "gun control" ne fonctionne pas. Ça ignore le fait que chicago est un shitshow à la base.
 
Chiraq... Where the Army sends their doctors to the ER to prepare them for the gun shot wounds they might be called upon to treat on the battlefield. 'Merica!



La ville de Chicago a des normes plus strictes que l'état en général. Un peu comme NYC j'imagine.

D'un autre coté... J'imagine que ça pourrais être encore pire (que 4000 blessures par balle/an) sans ces reglements la?

Pour certains c'est la preuve que le "gun control" ne fonctionne pas. Ça ignore le fait que chicago est un shitshow à la base.

La ville ou l’etat peut avoir les regles qu’ils veulent...ca change rien si leur voisin a les jambes grandes ouvertes...
 
To me this really makes one thing clear: America doesn't have a gun problem, they have a violence problem. To anyone paying attention this is pretty obvious I guess, America has been rotting from the inside for decades.

Banning guns would surely lead to less deaths. Instead you'll end up with headlines like "40 killed in Chicago stabbings this weekend". Ok, ban knives. "36 killed in Chicago acid attacks, hit and runs and bludgeonings this weekend"... Ah fuck it, ban everything. God forbid we actually deal with the cause of the problems and try to find real solutions. Let's just slap a big old band-aid on that severed jugular....
 
To me this really makes one thing clear: America doesn't have a gun problem, they have a violence problem. To anyone paying attention this is pretty obvious I guess, America has been rotting from the inside for decades.

Banning guns would surely lead to less deaths. Instead you'll end up with headlines like "40 killed in Chicago stabbings this weekend". Ok, ban knives. "36 killed in Chicago acid attacks, hit and runs and bludgeonings this weekend"... Ah fuck it, ban everything. God forbid we actually deal with the cause of the problems and try to find real solutions. Let's just slap a big old band-aid on that severed jugular....
What you mentioned about acid and knife attacks sums up London, UK
 
Didn't they recently ban, or seriously restrict knife sales too lol?

Europe seems to be the test bed, then they attempt the same things here depending on the results over yonder.
 
Didn't they recently ban, or seriously restrict knife sales too lol?

Europe seems to be the test bed, then they attempt the same things here depending on the results over yonder.
Handguns are virtually banned for private use yet gun crime is massively on the rise. They aren't using Baron Kennington of Sommersets hunting rifle either...

But yes the are trying to get this passed https://www.gov.uk/government/news/offensive-weapons-act-receives-royal-assent

It's okay Trudeau and his squad of cry babies want to ban more firearms here and waste Millions on a buy back program...
 
pretty sure more poverty = more violence.
what does Chicago need? better social aid? Cheap community colleges and education programs? Better job opportunities?

or stricter law enforcement and gang busting?

i agree that outright banning guns in a city like that wouldn't solve anything.
 
pretty sure more poverty = more violence.
what does Chicago need? better social aid? Cheap community colleges and education programs? Better job opportunities?

or stricter law enforcement and gang busting?

i agree that outright banning guns in a city like that wouldn't solve anything.

All of the above?

People like to misrepresent the legislation in Chicago about being super tough.It's not. All you need is a bit of training and a gun permit and you can purchase/ conceal carry. NYC / NY state has tougher rules.

Chicago has a localized gang/drug problem. That's why it's a violent shit hole in some neighourhoods with a never ending circle of poverty/ violence. It's rotten to the core.

Drugs are illegal. People don't care. Violence is illegal. People don't care. Murder is illegal.yet It still happens. Why would the gangbangers care about the finer details of gun ownership?

People like to pretend that "one size fits all" for gun "rights". Maybe Vermont doesn't need much in the way of stricter gun control but a shithole like chicago might. Or maybe it's just beyond saving at this point.
 
Je suis pas trop sur de comprendre. Tu commence en disant que le gun control sert pas à grand chose parceque les gangbagners s'en foute et tu finis en disant que Chicago a besoin de lois plus strict sur les armes?

Comme plusieurs l'ont déjà dit c'est un problème de pauvreté /éducation. T'aura beau mettre tous les lois que tu veux, si tu commence pas par la base...

Les positions sont souvent des absolu / opposés. Encore plus aux states ou c'est une dichotomie. T'es pour ou t'es contre.
De tout permettre ou tout bannir ne fait pas de sens. Ce n'est pas réaliste.

Y dois avoir un juste millieux a quelque part. Les armes ne sont pas "le probleme" a priori et ça ne peux pas être juste ça la stratégie, mais ça ne veux pas dire qu'ils doivent tout accepter pour autant.

Une partie du probleme c'est que les gang engendre un sentiment d'insécurité et que la solution facile c'est d'avoir son propre arme pour se "proteger". Le monde qui ont les moyens / de l'influence ne voteront probablement pas pour se désarmer totalement pour cette raison. Ça causerait une trop grosse imbalance entre les thugs et le reste du monde.
 
Handguns are virtually banned for private use yet gun crime is massively on the rise. They aren't using Baron Kennington of Sommersets hunting rifle either...

But yes the are trying to get this passed https://www.gov.uk/government/news/offensive-weapons-act-receives-royal-assent

It's okay Trudeau and his squad of cry babies want to ban more firearms here and waste Millions on a buy back program...

I remember watching a series that looked into that and they have some pretty gapping loop holes. If I remember correctly you could buy and import an "antique handgun" if the ammunition for it was no longer manufactured, but then the gun could be motified or "vintage ammo" could be ordered online.
 
I remember watching a series that looked into that and they have some pretty gapping loop holes. If I remember correctly you could buy and import an "antique handgun" if the ammunition for it was no longer manufactured, but then the gun could be motified or "vintage ammo" could be ordered online.

People aren't committing gun crimes with modified handguns from the pages of history that require a very good gunsmith to modify. We had similar loopholes here when it came to mag capacity. Handguns come from former bloc states, Ireland and the USA which shipped TONS of arms to Ireland for decades
https://news.sky.com/story/two-teenagers-die-in-unconnected-shooting-and-stabbing-in-london-11742077
 
pretty sure more poverty = more violence.
what does Chicago need? better social aid? Cheap community colleges and education programs? Better job opportunities?

or stricter law enforcement and gang busting?

i agree that outright banning guns in a city like that wouldn't solve anything.

Less subsidized breeding. FFS they get paid to get knocked up and spawn kids which they then don't take care of resulting in unruly, prone to antisocial behavior sacks of shit who think it's perfectly reasonable to commit a drive by because some other idiot is wearing another gang's color.

3 rules:

1) No father present in the household, no money.
2) No additional money after 2 kids.
3) Mostly via non refundable tax credits

I think if you did that within 15 years you'd see a decent change.
 
The First Step Act is actually one measure that could have a real positive impact and help some people break the ghetto cycle. As opposed to the Dems way of "helping" which is basically throwing taxpayer dollars in the form of welfare and free stuff at the problem which just perpetuates the cycle, and that's been the plan all along. Help people to at least have a fighting chance to land on their feet after being in prison instead of making resorting back to a life of crime the easier option.


I rarely watch videos like this but watched this one and it was a breath of fresh air to see a touch of genuineness.
Kim K is only in it for a couple mins at the end. I've never really heard her speak before, it was only half is cringey as I expected.

 
The First Step Act is actually one measure that could have a real positive impact and help some people break the ghetto cycle. As opposed to the Dems way of "helping" which is basically throwing taxpayer dollars in the form of welfare and free stuff at the problem which just perpetuates the cycle, and that's been the plan all along. Help people to at least have a fighting chance to land on their feet after being in prison instead of making resorting back to a life of crime the easier option.


I rarely watch videos like this but watched this one and it was a breath of fresh air to see a touch of genuineness.
Kim K is only in it for a couple mins at the end. I've never really heard her speak before, it was only half is cringey as I expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2K5ZSZ6Ztg

You know Democrats have been advocating for prison reform years before Trump showed up? Look up Ban the Box bills in states all across the country.
 
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