Dayton shooting: Nine confirmed killed, shooter also dead - BBC News

The stats aren't quite in agreement with that statement.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/


Pistols are the most commonly used in the States in "mass shootings" I guess they don't get the same number of casualties per incident (and international media coverage) but they're still the most prevalent.

It's sort of sad that we need to draw a line between 3-4 deaths "gang/workplace violence" mass shootings where pistols are likely prevalent vs all-out christchurch / las vegas type of incidents where semi-auto rifles are the weapon of choice.


I don't think it's solely a capacity thing. You can get pistol mags with 20+ rounds (up to 30+) There's more of an effective range limitation to them (accuracy/ballistics)

Pistols "work best" at less than 25m for the average shooter. This also means that the victims are "closer" and have a better chance of overpowering the attacker. An "Assault rifle" will likely dominate engagements at 3-100m and can obviously reach out much further.

I think you'd have to check the data and see if they are double counting. Often when one of these lunatics has a rifle they also have a handgun, so I don't know if it's counted twice.

Didn't the asshole in Las Vegas shoot himself with a handgun before the cops got to him?
 
I think you'd have to check the data and see if they are double counting. Often when one of these lunatics has a rifle they also have a handgun, so I don't know if it's counted twice.

Didn't the asshole in Las Vegas shoot himself with a handgun before the cops got to him?

There are plenty of examples out there to dispel the notion that the issue is mostly long guns. Heck, this was one of the main arguments against banning "assault rifles" a while back. EG: That this wouldn't change anything because most used pistols.

Highest kill counts may have been rifles (+ handguns) but there are no shortages of mass shootings with pistols. (3+ casualties) Most of the research I've seen shows them to be more prevalent.

Here's what wikipedia has to be say about:

Several types of guns have been used in mass shootings in the United States. A 2014 study of 142 shootings by Dr. James Fox found 88 (62%) were committed with handguns of all types; 68 (48%) with semi-automatic handguns, 20 (14%) with revolvers), 35 (25%) with semi-automatic rifles, and 19 (13%) with shotguns.[53][54][55] The study was conducted using the Mother Jones database of mass shootings from 1982–2018.[56] High capacity magazines were used in approximately half of mass shootings.[57] Semi-automatic rifles have been used in six of the ten deadliest mass shooting events.[58][59]

Feel free to dig deeper if you're so inclined. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an increase in the use of semi-auto rifles since then, but it's hardly a "ban x weapon type" problem.

Vermont and New Hampshire have pretty lax gun rules. They don't have a significant issue with mass shootings. There's more to it than just the guns themselves.
 
Vermont and New Hampshire have pretty lax gun rules. They don't have a significant issue with mass shootings. There's more to it than just the guns themselves.

Vermont has 625 000 citizens...Texas has 20 millions citizens lol...
 
There are plenty of examples out there to dispel the notion that the issue is mostly long guns. Heck, this was one of the main arguments against banning "assault rifles" a while back. EG: That this wouldn't change anything because most used pistols.

Highest kill counts may have been rifles (+ handguns) but there are no shortages of mass shootings with pistols. (3+ casualties) Most of the research I've seen shows them to be more prevalent.

Here's what wikipedia has to be say about:



Feel free to dig deeper if you're so inclined. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an increase in the use of semi-auto rifles since then, but it's hardly a "ban x weapon type" problem.

Vermont and New Hampshire have pretty lax gun rules. They don't have a significant issue with mass shootings. There's more to it than just the guns themselves.

I don't disagree with the findings that handguns are involved in the majority of mass shootings as it's defined in the research (3+ victims), it's logical considering how frequent gun crimes are in the US.

I think events such as these shootings are a phenomenon on their own, whether you want to call it domestic terrorism or wtv they don't shouldn't be compared to gang shootings.
 
Let me guess... le gars avait été flagué au FBI il y plus d'un mois et personne n'a rien fait. Comme à chaque shooting ou presque.

Tu veux qu'il fasse quoi, on est dans une société de droits. Par exemple, c'est certain que KossaK est flagué, mais ils ne peuvent rien faire tant qu'il ne passe pas à l'acte...
 
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/4/connor-betts-ohio-gunman-was-elizabeth-warren-supp/

Here's a twist, the shooter is a leftist. Trump must have found a way to influence

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Ohio gunman described himself as pro-Satan 'leftist' who supported Elizabeth Warren

By*Victor Morton*- The Washington Times*
Sunday, August 4, 2019

The Ohio gunman described himself on social media as a pro-Satan “leftist” who wanted Joe Biden’s generation to die off, hated President Trump and law enforcement, and hoped to vote for Sen. Elizabeth Warren for president.

In the early hours of Sunday morning, rifle-wielding*Connor Betts*rampaged through a Dayton entertainment district, killing his sister and eight other people and leaving dozens of others wounded before police killed him.

“I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding,” he wrote in one tweet, according to*Heavy.com.

The breaking-news outlet said it had found*Betts‘ Twitter page (handle @iamthespookster) and verified that the account belonged to the gunman “through multiple verification factors, including a matching tattoo on both a page selfie and prominent news outlets’ pictures of*Connor Betts; several family linkages to the page; similar photos, including of him and the family dog, on the page and family members’ verified accounts; and references to college and growing up in Ohio and Dayton.”

The Twitter account painted a picture of a left-wing anarchist and discontent, very far from the anti-immigration manifesto posted by Saturday’s El Paso gunman.

“Vote blue for gods sake,” he wrote last Nov. 2. On the day of the senator’s death,*Betts*wrote “F—k John McCain.”

Though he had a fascination for guns,*Betts*also was a fan of gun control and blamed Republicans for school shootings.

“This is America: Guns on every corner, guns in every house, no freedom but that to kill,” he wrote in December, and on the day of the Parkland, Florida, school shooting, he tweeted at Sen. Rob Portman: “hey rob. How much did they pay you to look the other way? 17 kids are dead. If not now, when?”

In reference to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, he wrote “you can’t kill 50+ people and injure 600(!) In 10 minutes with cigarettes my dude.”

Politically,*Betts*was on the far left. His pinned Top Tweet was a retweet of someone else’s claim that “Millennials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die.”

When another Twitter user posted a picture of Ms. Warren and 2020 Democratic presidential rival Kamala Harris and asked “co-Presidents?”*Betts*poured scorn.

“Nahh, but only cuz Harris is a cop - Warren I’d happily vote for,” he replied.

When noting that alt-right demonstrators were marching in Charlottesville, a rally that later ended in the death of Heather Heyer, he exhorted his followers: “Kill every fascist.”

According to Heavy,*Betts*also shared posts about “concentration camps” at the border and wrote, “Cut the fences down. Slice ICE tires. Throw bolt cutters over the fences.”

His profile specified his preferred pronouns as “he/him.”

As of Sunday, Dayton police said they had no proof of*Betts‘ motive.


 
Tu veux qu'il fasse quoi, on est dans une société de droits. Par exemple, c'est certain que KossaK est flagué, mais ils ne peuvent rien faire tant qu'il ne passe pas à l'acte...

Il a toujours moyen. Tu sais genre aller voir le gars chez-lui, poser quelques questions... Si un probable cause est justifiable, obtenir un mandat, saisir les armes, exiger une evaluation psychologique, juste pour s'assurer que tout est kosher.
 
Vermont has 625 000 citizens...Texas has 20 millions citizens lol...

They still have schools, walmarts, movie theaters and places of worship. Everything a modern fuckhead needs to "make a statement" Breivik and that dipshit in New Zealand proved you don't need a million+ metro area to go full retard.

If only there was a way to account for population size... would you settle for homicides per capita? (Homicides per 100 000 people per year.)
Vermont: 2.2. New Hampshire 1.0. Texas? 5.0

If not we can do violent crime rates per 100 000 pop. Vermont 165, NH 198. Texas: 438. Alaska? 829. They're hardly more populous than vermont.

Besides, I get what you're saying and I'm pretty sure you get what I'm saying as well.
 
Il a toujours moyen. Tu sais genre aller voir le gars chez-lui, poser quelques questions... Si un probable cause est justifiable, obtenir un mandat, saisir les armes, exiger une evaluation psychologique, juste pour s'assurer que tout est kosher.

Ouin mais là la gauche va venir brailler que ça va être une manière pour la police d'harceler les musulmans ou les "insérez minorité visible de votre choix" so no dice.
 
After Texas and Ohio I heard there was another one in Chicago... man what the hell is going on, 3 mass shootings in 2 days.
 
After Texas and Ohio I heard there was another one in Chicago... man what the hell is going on, 3 mass shootings in 2 days.
De ce que je comprends 2 mass shootings. 7 morts 46 blessés.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/08/05/weekend-gun-violence-mass-shootings/

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/0...-with-sword-charged-with-first-degree-murder/

Un homme blanc atteint de maladie mentale a tué sa mere a coup d'épée.

Yeah, on voit clairement que les USA sont sous l'emprise de terroristes blancs.
 
After Texas and Ohio I heard there was another one in Chicago... man what the hell is going on, 3 mass shootings in 2 days.
As far as I understand, just your average weekend in Chicongo. It's only of note now to add to the hysteria.

BTW, for those reading any articles, if they don't mention the skin color you high a very high probability that it's a black or Hispanic person and if they don't give details on the motive, it's probably because it goes against the narrative. In the latter case, dig deeper, find the truth.
 
On tourne en rond avec nos arguments pro et anti armes a feu depuis longtemps entoucas, le sujet resurgit regulierement suite a des fusillades mais il reste que c'est dans la constitution americaine donc qu'on le veuille ou non c'est pas demain la veille qu'ils vont avoir de la traction avec leurs mouvements anti-armes a feu.

Est-ce que ca pourrait etre mieux encadre? Oui.

Est-ce que les autorites auraient pu faire plus? Certainement.

Est-ce que quelque chose va changer? J'en doute.

La seule maniere que les americains vont rendre leurs armes c'est suite a une autre guerre civile, oubliez pas que ca a pris ca une guerre civile pour mettre fin a l'esclavage "officiel" aux Etats Unis.

Comme on est leurs voisins au nord et qu'on a strictement fuck all comme armes a feu comparativement a eux, est-ce qu'on doit souhaiter une guerre civile aux USA? Oh que non...
 
La constitution dit que les américains ont le droit de s'armer.

À ma connaissance, ça ne dit pas quelles armes ils ont le droit de prendre.

J'imagine donc qu'ils pourraient avoir le droit de s'armer, avec les armes qui étaient en vigueur à la signature de la constitution. (des armes de 1787 donc).

Là, ils réclament des droits ancestraux, de la même manière que les amérindiens se promènent en skidoo pour aller faire leur chasse/pêche ancestrale à coup de dynamite.

Pis à travers ça, t'as tous les chasseurs qui sont en criss à chaque fois qu'un zozo fait une tuerie.
 
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