Élection Fed 2019

Pour qui voter ?

  • PLC Trudeau

    Votes: 18 15.1%

  • PCC Scheer

    Votes: 60 50.4%

  • NPD Jagmeet

    Votes: 3 2.5%

  • Vert May

    Votes: 6 5.0%

  • Bloc Québécois

    Votes: 16 13.4%

  • PPC Bernier

    Votes: 13 10.9%

  • autres:

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Total voters
    119
  • Poll closed .
Spiter_01 said:
No he doesn't, Trudeau's already came out and said he's not entering into a formal coalition in which he would integrate members of another party into the cabinet. If he had fewer seats maybe he'd have to but not right now, but he has just enough seats to seek out support for each individual bill he's going to submit and Yves-Francois Blanchette has made it very clear he will be supporting the government on a case by case basis based upon if it's good for Quebec.

Jagmeet did better than was expect and has more power than the NDP ever had, but the liberals and the NDP don't differ very much on policy points, so it's not like Jagmeet would be forcing Trudeau to do anything also the NDP is broke as fuck. They were already struggling this past election to get around and their fundraising isn't anywhere near as effective as the Cons and Libs, they won't be wanting to bring down the government.
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That sounds very nice, but if he doesn't throw someone a bone, his government will be shot down every time he tries to pass it. he needs those pesky 15 votes.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
Le problème en partant c'est que tu ne peux pas exporter de l'électricité 3-4 provinces plus loin. Les pertes de rendement sont trop élevées.
Il y a eu plein de groupes qui essaient justement d'empêcher l'exportation d'électricité en bloquant la construction de lignes à haute tension vers les États limitrophes.
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C’était une analogie: le Québec est fier de son hydro-électricité et en tire des revenus substantiels. La journée que le monde s’y attaquerais avec de la pseudo-science, ça n’aurais pas beaucoup d’impact. (Je ne parle pas de changement climatique ici)

Alternativement, les barrages ont massacrer des écosystèmes et on été bâti au moment ou la consultation avec les premières nation n’était pas particulièrement à la mode. Ca été un moteur économique pour la province. Le reste du Canada n’a pas essayer de mettre des bâtons dans les roues à chaque étape du procédé. Faudrait peut être pas l’oublier.

Y’a d’autres province qui souhaitent exploiter leur ressources et continuer leur development économique à long terme.
 
vladjet2000 said:
That sounds very nice, but if he doesn't throw someone a bone, his government will be shot down every time he tries to pass it. he needs those pesky 15 votes.
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The liberals want pharmacare, the ndp want pharmacare.
The liberals want to up to the threshold for the lowest taxation bracket effectively lowering taxes, the conservatives want to lower taxes.

The list goes on and on and on. It shapes the bill that they'll be presenting but nothing in the liberal platform was outrageously out of sync with either of their opponents of the right or the left.

You think jagmeet/scheer/blanchette is going to send us back into an election on a bill that they actually support? They'd have to own that during a campaign.
 
Bon je viens de m'acheter la carte de membre conservateurs

Pour pouvoir voter pis sortir Sheer si ça arrive.

Et contrebalancer les agriculteurs frus qui se sont mis membre pour Backer peur cartel

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Spiter_01 said:
The liberals want pharmacare, the ndp want pharmacare.
The liberals want to up to the threshold for the lowest taxation bracket effectively lowering taxes, the conservatives want to lower taxes.

The list goes on and on and on. It shapes the bill that they'll be presenting but nothing in the liberal platform was outrageously out of sync with either of their opponents of the right or the left.

You think jagmeet/scheer/blanchette is going to send us back into an election on a bill that they actually support? They'd have to own that during a campaign.
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you're right about that. they agree on things, but that doesn't mean that they will all vote the same way. this is a power struggle. if Trudeau doesn't do something to make sure those 15 seats are accounted for, he might not pass a single law.

Also, his government has to be approved by a 170 majority. why would anyone approve his ministers? Trudeau is 15 seats short and noobody will give them up for free. Trudeau has to entice some people, whether the bloc but most likely the NDP for those 15 seats, otherwise he's done as a PM.
 
Sur le Pipeline dans l'ouest , PCC va voter avec les Libéraux
Sur le Pharmacare , NPD va voter avec les Libéraux
Sur le ban des armes d'assault , NPD/Bloc va voter avec les Libéraux
Sur le scandale SNC lavalin et le Bloc va voter avec les Libéraux
Dépôt d'un Budget dépensier , le NPD va voter avec les Libéraux


les conservateurs ne veulent pas retourner en élection
le NPD même chose


ça va être le gouvernement minoritaire qui va durer le plus longtemps ..
 
il n'y a pas de problème pour voter les lois. le problème est au moment d'approuver le gouvernement. la question est.. est-ce que les élus vont avaler un gouverment minoritaire libéral sans rien avoir en retour? d'après moi Trudeau doit et laisser une couple de sièges aux autres pour avoir la paix.

en moyenne un gouvernement minoritaire dure 2 ans.
 
AsunaMAXXX said:
Sur le Pipeline dans l'ouest , PCC va voter avec les Libéraux
Sur le Pharmacare , NPD va voter avec les Libéraux
Sur le ban des armes d'assault , NPD/Bloc va voter avec les Libéraux
Sur le scandale SNC lavalin et le Bloc va voter avec les Libéraux
Dépôt d'un Budget dépensier , le NPD va voter avec les Libéraux


les conservateurs ne veulent pas retourner en élection
le NPD même chose


ça va être le gouvernement minoritaire qui va durer le plus longtemps ..
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Je ne crois pas que le Bloc va voter pour la restriction des armes...
 
Jeremi01 said:
Je ne crois pas que le Bloc va voter pour la restriction des armes...
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Bloc et PQ , c'est la même machine , Pascal Bérubé l'a dit a Radio-Canada hier soir , les mêmes bénévoles , sa '' machine '' a fait élire son ancienne attaché politique provincial pour le BQ

et le PQ , c'est la même gang qui voulait un registre des armes a feu et qui avait dans son programme un registre des armes blanche

y'a toujours le NPD qui va voter avec les Libéraux ou encore les 3 Green
 
labatt50 said:
le vote populaire c'est juste une statistique avancé donc on s'en fou. Notre systeme est basé sur une personne, un vote dans une circonscription
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Ben justement c'est pas normal que la plus de gens aient voté PCC et qu'ils soient dans l’opposition. C'est loin d'être démocratique.
Ce système dépassé n'est pas représentatif de la volonté du peuple. Ça prend le suffrage universel, comme ça existe dans plusieurs autres pays.
 
vladjet2000 said:
you're right about that. they agree on things, but that doesn't mean that they will all vote the same way. this is a power struggle. if Trudeau doesn't do something to make sure those 15 seats are accounted for, he might not pass a single law.

Also, his government has to be approved by a 170 majority. why would anyone approve his ministers? Trudeau is 15 seats short and noobody will give them up for free. Trudeau has to entice some people, whether the bloc but most likely the NDP for those 15 seats, otherwise he's done as a PM.
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His government doesn't need to be approved, he has to gain the trust of the house through the throne speech which essentially outlines the parliamentary objectives for that session of parliament. No one approves the cabinet and his ministerial appointments in our parliamentary system. The cabinet is formed entirely at the discretion of the PM and no one else.

Parliament isn't only about political power, it's purpose is to also pass legislation. You want power in order to introduce and pass legislation you support, unless he puts batshit crazy stuff in the throne speech it'll have enough legislation that the Bloc/NDP and probably even the conservatives (even though they'll vote against is just for the optics) want done to gain support. The only "enticement" he needs to do in the immediate future is to include stuff the NDP/Bloc want done in the throne speech and as I've outlined before there is enough of that to gain support.

He's not getting voted down at the throne speech nor is he going to need to make any meaningful concessions in order to gain the confidence of the house.
 
Jeremi01 said:
Je ne crois pas que le Bloc va voter pour la restriction des armes...
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Pas mal sur que le lobby contre les armes vont sortir les familles de la polytechnique des boulamites et que l'association "pour les guns" avec les "méchant conservateurs" va faire qu'en effet, oui, ils vont voter pour la restriction.
 
Spiter_01 said:
His government doesn't need to be approved, he has to gain the trust of the house through the throne speech which essentially outlines the parliamentary objectives for that session of parliament. No one approves the cabinet and his ministerial appointments in our parliamentary system. The cabinet is formed entirely at the discretion of the PM and no one else.

Parliament isn't only about political power, it's purpose is to also pass legislation. You want power in order to introduce and pass legislation you support, unless he puts batshit crazy stuff in the throne speech it'll have enough legislation that the Bloc/NDP and probably even the conservatives (even though they'll vote against is just for the optics) want done to gain support. The only "enticement" he needs to do in the immediate future is to include stuff the NDP/Bloc want done in the throne speech and as I've outlined before there is enough of that to gain support.

He's not getting voted down at the throne speech nor is he going to need to make any meaningful concessions in order to gain the confidence of the house.
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I expect seriously comical situations where conservatives or the NDP have to choose between voting against their interests or voting with Trudeau.

The liberals are holding allllll the initiative. They can table any law at any time and force the other parties to pick a side, AND be reasonably certain that whatever the project, either the conservatives or the NDP will support it. By contrast nobody else can table a law without liberal support because NDP and Cons will never agree on anything.

AND, the opposition can't just blame the liberal majority for everything like they do now, they end up having to explain to their base why they're supporting Trudeau projects. This is how you play a centrist party.

Pipelines? Sure! Carbon tax? Why not. How about right to die? Not a problem.
 
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