Affichage des résultats 1 à 16 sur 16

Discussion: Race Track regulations

  1. #1
    Avatar de android25ua
    Senior Member

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2007
    Localisation
    Europe
    Car:
    Arctic Cat wrrRRR PSHHHhhh
    Messages
    8 203
    Likes (Given)
    1210
    Likes (Received)
    1947

    Question Race Track regulations

    This question goes out to people that are familiar with or have done lapping, circuit racing or are affiliated with local tracks.

    Is it allowed to operate a "home-made" or non standard vehicle on a race track?
    Example: the frame is entirely hand-built, the powertrain is pulled out of something standard, the brakes are out of something standard, partially modified, re-located, the suspension is fabricated (arms, end-links and rod ends)
    What kind of inspection/certification is required?

    All input is appreciated.
    BMW: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    BMW E34: ( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)
    BMW E34 M5: ( ͡⊙ ͜ʖ ͡⊙)


  2. #2
    Avatar de Spaceman Spiff
    Forum God

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    septembre 2007
    Localisation
    Cayman Islands
    Car:
    Lada turbo
    Messages
    11 240
    Likes (Given)
    689
    Likes (Received)
    8661
    At the minimum, your car will need rollover protection and some form of protection cell or cage. Most organisations don't allow open-wheelers to drive at the same time as cars.

  3. Likes android25ua Liked this post
  4. #3
    Legacy Member

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    octobre 2003
    Localisation
    Drummondville
    Car:
    Ford F150, FocusSVT
    Messages
    14 833
    Likes (Given)
    554
    Likes (Received)
    1168
    Pour un track day, ca doit relevé de l'organisateur qui lui va surement te demander une certification provenant d'un organisme de course.

    pour le home made frame, cage..il y a des certification a suivre dépendamment de série et classe que tu compte courir.

  5. #4
    Legacy Member

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    octobre 2003
    Localisation
    Drummondville
    Car:
    Ford F150, FocusSVT
    Messages
    14 833
    Likes (Given)
    554
    Likes (Received)
    1168
    Mais ca se fait... LoveFab avec son Enviate HyperCar a fait Pikes Peak avec un char 100% handmade dans un petit garage de cour.

    Mais c'était pas un projet fait avec de la broche et du buble gum mettons!

  6. Likes android25ua Liked this post
  7. #5
    Avatar de pep fab
    Shop Representative

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    septembre 2007
    Localisation
    Saint-Hyacinthe
    Car:
    Chevrolet z06
    Messages
    1 254
    Likes (Given)
    256
    Likes (Received)
    346
    most ''real'' racecars are built from scratch and only wear non-structural clading .
    fabrication et modification sur mesure
    service d'usinage/soudure de précision
    LES ENTREPRISES PEP FAB 450 778-4290
    www.lesentreprisespepfab.com

  8. Likes android25ua Liked this post
  9. #6
    Avatar de android25ua
    Senior Member

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2007
    Localisation
    Europe
    Car:
    Arctic Cat wrrRRR PSHHHhhh
    Messages
    8 203
    Likes (Given)
    1210
    Likes (Received)
    1947
    I’m asking this question in part because in my mind, a completely gutted Honda Civic with questionna le suspension components and brake parts is potentially not any safer than a home made race car.

    But are there any firm regulations in place or it’s purely subject to track staff opinion and event organizers say?
    BMW: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    BMW E34: ( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)
    BMW E34 M5: ( ͡⊙ ͜ʖ ͡⊙)

  10. #7
    Avatar de Gregster
    Premium

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2002
    Localisation
    Sud-Ouest
    Car:
    BMW Group
    Messages
    53 865
    Likes (Given)
    167
    Likes (Received)
    6544
    Depends on the club.

    A proper series will have a rule book

    The be fair I've never really seen that many crap cans at track days as they cost money to attend

  11. #8
    Avatar de pep fab
    Shop Representative

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    septembre 2007
    Localisation
    Saint-Hyacinthe
    Car:
    Chevrolet z06
    Messages
    1 254
    Likes (Given)
    256
    Likes (Received)
    346
    most will apply FIA or NHRA regulations, depending if it's road race or drag race
    fabrication et modification sur mesure
    service d'usinage/soudure de précision
    LES ENTREPRISES PEP FAB 450 778-4290
    www.lesentreprisespepfab.com

  12. #9
    Avatar de Spaceman Spiff
    Forum God

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    septembre 2007
    Localisation
    Cayman Islands
    Car:
    Lada turbo
    Messages
    11 240
    Likes (Given)
    689
    Likes (Received)
    8661
    Citation Envoyé par android25ua Voir le message
    I’m asking this question in part because in my mind, a completely gutted Honda Civic with questionna le suspension components and brake parts is potentially not any safer than a home made race car.

    But are there any firm regulations in place or it’s purely subject to track staff opinion and event organizers say?
    These are two different things. A car has to be mechanically sound, ie: no worn out tires, cracked rotors, leaking brake lines or other components in bad shape that could cause an accident. Some clubs will require a full mechanical inspection by a certified mechanic while other clubs will ask for a self-inspection where the owner declares that his car is in good shape. Shitboxes are easy to identify and organizers will not hesitate to expel owners who refuse to fix their cars.

    The second part is safety equipment. That includes race seats, harnesses, helmets, cages etc... For road-based cars, the standards are pretty simple to apply since the FIA regulations are quite clear. It's harder for artisanal vehicles because they normally can't install a full rollcage inside them and the chassis has to be part of the crash structure. Again, FIA regulations are a good baseline and it's easier to convince racing clubs that your homemade race vehicle is safe if you used FIA specs as a guideline instead of saying "I think it's safe because i followed my feelings."

  13. Likes android25ua Liked this post
  14. #10
    Avatar de Gregster
    Premium

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2002
    Localisation
    Sud-Ouest
    Car:
    BMW Group
    Messages
    53 865
    Likes (Given)
    167
    Likes (Received)
    6544
    Citation Envoyé par Spaceman Spiff Voir le message
    These are two different things. A car has to be mechanically sound, ie: no worn out tires, cracked rotors, leaking brake lines or other components in bad shape that could cause an accident. Some clubs will require a full mechanical inspection by a certified mechanic while other clubs will ask for a self-inspection where the owner declares that his car is in good shape. Shitboxes are easy to identify and organizers will not hesitate to expel owners who refuse to fix their cars.

    The second part is safety equipment. That includes race seats, harnesses, helmets, cages etc... For road-based cars, the standards are pretty simple to apply since the FIA regulations are quite clear. It's harder for artisanal vehicles because they normally can't install a full rollcage inside them and the chassis has to be part of the crash structure. Again, FIA regulations are a good baseline and it's easier to convince racing clubs that your homemade race vehicle is safe if you used FIA specs as a guideline instead of saying "I think it's safe because i followed my feelings."
    What I always laughed at was the "oh your FIA harnesses/seats are expired by 1 year sorry can't let you out but the guy in the rolling chicane E30 with 30 year old belts and loose OEM seats is good to go!

    Not all clubs tho

  15. Likes Kaimera, Al3x_666 Liked this post
  16. #11
    Avatar de Scooter
    Premium

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    février 2007
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Car:
    Pas de véhicule mais une bixi
    Messages
    12 727
    Likes (Given)
    3322
    Likes (Received)
    1682
    As Gregster said it...it depends by club / organizers. They decide, and their reputation is there if something goes wrong...
    There is no substitute.

    * Je mets mon clignotant quand je sors du garage *
    * Sarcasm is the body’s natural defense against stupidity.

  17. #12
    Gold Racer

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    août 2009
    Localisation
    Jonquière
    Car:
    Mazda Miata
    Messages
    48
    Likes (Given)
    25
    Likes (Received)
    35
    I've seen 2 handmade Locost during Time Attack events at St-Eustache. Requirements were to have fenders and rollover protection. I think the minimal cage specs are well documented in the Track&Time regulations, using DOM tubing.

    In which series would you like to drive with a handmade car? Lapping, Time Attack or wheel-to-wheel? Rules are not the same

  18. Likes android25ua Liked this post
  19. #13
    Avatar de android25ua
    Senior Member

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2007
    Localisation
    Europe
    Car:
    Arctic Cat wrrRRR PSHHHhhh
    Messages
    8 203
    Likes (Given)
    1210
    Likes (Received)
    1947
    ^at this point I’m gathering information without a decided direction.
    What I was thinking initially is sort of along the lines of formula Renault
    BMW: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    BMW E34: ( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)
    BMW E34 M5: ( ͡⊙ ͜ʖ ͡⊙)

  20. #14
    Avatar de Gregster
    Premium

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2002
    Localisation
    Sud-Ouest
    Car:
    BMW Group
    Messages
    53 865
    Likes (Given)
    167
    Likes (Received)
    6544
    Citation Envoyé par android25ua Voir le message
    ^at this point I’m gathering information without a decided direction.
    What I was thinking initially is sort of along the lines of formula Renault
    Well you just don't jump into a proper series car like that. Not the cheapest to run and you will certainly need a minimum of 2 crew. You are going to have a hard time running an open wheel car here. Sports racer like a Radical or something like that is more accepted at pretty much all events and still plenty fast.

    Norma M20/30 is the bizznas

  21. #15
    Avatar de Rob_SeR
    Forum God

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2011
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Car:
    Porsche /Audi/VW
    Messages
    11 459
    Likes (Given)
    3200
    Likes (Received)
    4356
    I've seen numerous Caterham and atom type véhicules that were built by the owner at Icar and ASE.

    2016 Porsche Cayman GT4 (Current)
    2013 Audi S4 (Current)
    2018 VW Golf SportWagen (Current)
    2012 Porsche Cayman S Black Edition (sold)
    2004 VW R32 (sold)
    2013 BMW M3 ZCP (sold)
    2008 VW R32 (sold)
    1997 BMW M3 (sold)
    2014 Chevrolet Cruze (sold)
    2001 Mazda Protégé (sold)
    2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R SpecV (sold)
    2000 Honda Civic hatchback (sold)
    2002 Nissan Sentra XE (sold)

  22. #16
    Avatar de BBQMAN
    Shop Representative

    Status
    Offline
    Date d'inscription
    février 2004
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Car:
    Honda CTR
    Messages
    7 877
    Likes (Given)
    568
    Likes (Received)
    842
    Every club has their can decide what they think is track worthy or not. The track itself doesn't impose the limitations.
    If you join a series, they have their criteria clearly indicated in a rule book.
    A fully gutted car that has everything working right should not be a problem to track.

    for everything else, there is Sanair.
    PERRY PERFORMANCE & COMPETITION

    http://www.facebook.com/PerryPerformance

    http://www.aselc.ca/
    ASE lapping club- Going back to its roots, lapping for the fun of it!!!
    450 662 6927
    CARL WENER
    carl@perryautolaval.com




Règles de messages

  • Vous ne pouvez pas créer de nouvelles discussions
  • Vous ne pouvez pas envoyer des réponses
  • Vous ne pouvez pas envoyer des pièces jointes
  • Vous ne pouvez pas modifier vos messages
  •