Fermez les frontières, un nouveau virus apparaît: La COVID-19

*VR6* said:
I get what you mean, but I think you are confusing equity with equality.

If I look at myself for example, I did not have any impact (yet) as I am able to work from home, meaning I still have 100% of my income, why would I get to touch the 2000$ like everyone else or any kind of bonus, just because people who needs it were able to have it? Equality in this case would mean everyone gets something as you suggest, equity in this case would mean people in need would get the 2000$ in order to be able to survive like those who aren’t impacted at all and got to keep their income.

A picture is worth a thousand words, the one below can’t be better at describing what I am trying to say :

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Let me start off by acknowledging that I fully understand that overall life is not fair and things are not perfect. However, that doesn't mean some parts can't be fair nor that we should stop trying to be better.

My argument is that in this moment, those who are well off, they should not get a check, but in the long run when things clear up, something should be done to balance it.

That picture is great to explain things generally. I've seen it before but what's missing is still a bit of context. If the tall guy is the big earner and the short guy is a low income earner and the boxes are government money, what's missing is the fact that the government previous took the two boxes from the tall guy, gave it to the little guy and now they're thinking about giving the medium and short guy another box, while still taking them from the tall guy. At what point can the tall guy say "fuck off"? In the pursuit to be a little more fair, give the tall guy that "extra" box by allowing him to keep one because he can maybe use it later when changing a lightbulb or reaching the top shelf.
 
Une de mes amies me donne mal à la tête: Elle se dit en confinement parce qUelle fait du télé travail mais elle sort 3-4x par jour pour aller au McDo, aller à la banque, elle va courir dehors (ca c'est ok), chercher un paquet de cigarettes au dep(qui va lui durer 3 jours max), passer à l'épicerie…

J'ai beau lui expliquer mais elle ne veut rien comprendre. Caliss qu'on va être arrêté longtemps avec du monde comme ca. Faudrait donner des tickets pour qu'on en finisse.
 
250Rocket said:
Let me start off by acknowledging that I fully understand that overall life is not fair and things are not perfect. However, that doesn't mean some parts can't be fair nor that we should stop trying to be better.

My argument is that in this moment, those who are well off, they should not get a check, but in the long run when things clear up, something should be done to balance it.

That picture is great to explain things generally. I've seen it before but what's missing is still a bit of context. If the tall guy is the big earner and the short guy is a low income earner and the boxes are government money, what's missing is the fact that the government previous took the two boxes from the tall guy, gave it to the little guy and now they're thinking about giving the medium and short guy another box, while still taking them from the tall guy. At what point can the tall guy say "fuck off"? In the pursuit to be a little more fair, give the tall guy that "extra" box by allowing him to keep one because he can maybe use it later when changing a lightbulb or reaching the top shelf.
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Notice how the image has a limited amount of boxes :)

If their was 9 boxes in the image there wouldn’t be any problem and they could all sit on 3 boxes if they wanted to...Reality is government has to ditch billions of dollars for an unplanned emergency that wasn’t in the budget and obviously they have to workout a budget that saves the most people while spending the least possible, I don’t think giving candies to those who aren’t affected at all is a good dividing strategy :dunno:
 
Gregster said:
Or better yet.. They get a temp raise and it puts them into a different bracket!

What was it almost 400 million to first nations ?
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Income tax is progressive. Being in a different bracket just means that the money past the previous threshold gets taxed more, not the totality of your income. Generally speaking, You’ll never make less money making more money solely on account of income tax.

Remember what the smallpox did to the FN? In some communities, this could be a real gong show. (not as dire, but likely real shitty) Unhealthy population to start with coupled with limited access to care/ health ressources ? Not a recipe for a good time.

I've been to a FN community of "7000" people. Largest community in the province without a hospital at the time. (likely still is) Handful of nurses, a few doctors at a nursing station. They'd get overwhelmed so quick it's not even funny.


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kahos said:
Income tax is progressive. Being in a different bracket just means that the money past the previous threshold gets taxed more, not the totality of your income. Generally speaking, You’ll never make less money making more money solely on account of income tax.


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Avec les cheques TVQ,TPS, allocation pour enfant etc, je crois que c'est possible de faire plus net qu'une personne qui fait plus brute mais se fait retirer tout les avantages non imposable rendu a un certain salaire, prend pas ca pour du cash mais ca me surprendrait pas du tout.

imagine qu'a 39999 tu as drois a tout mais a 40000 tu perds tout les avantages non imposable, je sais pas si ca marche exactement de meme mais ca me surprendrait pas non plus.

Imagine, le gouv du QC se criss tellement de l'equite que quand tu es en couple, le premier qui fait sa declaration recoit le cheque de TVQ, peut importe le salaire, un individu qui fait 50k par annee en couple avec un quelqu'un qui fait 25k peut recevoir le cheque de tvq parce qu'il a fait sa declaration en premier pis si il se separe il va recevoir le cheque sans compensation pour l'autre jusqu'au moi de juillet de l'annee d'apres.
fair fair government.
 
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22REpower said:
Avec les cheques TVQ,TPS, allocation pour enfant etc, je crois que c'est possible de faire plus net qu'une personne qui fait plus brute mais se fait retirer tout les avantages non imposable rendu a un certain salaire, prend pas ca pour du cash mais ca me surprendrait pas du tout.

imagine qu'a 39999 tu as drois a tout mais a 40000 tu perds tout les avantages non imposable, je sais pas si ca marche exactement de meme mais ca me surprendrait pas non plus.
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Yeah, this comes down to the credits / other benefits rather than the actual tax rates themselves. I can see this happening to a family with kids and the like where you no longer "make the cut" for some programs.
 
kahos said:
Yeah, this comes down to the credits / other benefits rather than the actual tax rates themselves. I can see this happening to a family with kids and the like where you no longer "make the cut" for some programs.
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And you find it fair? It's not fair at all but they don't want to calculate all the possibility so they fuck us hard. a 30 000 par anne tu as droit a de l'internet subventionne mais pas a 30 001, voir que la piasse change de quoi, allez vous faire foutre.

Les credits non imposablent ne devrait juste pas exister parce que ca cree plein d'injustice.
 
22REpower said:
And you find it fair? It's not fair at all but they don't want to calculate all the possibility so they fuck us hard. a 30 000 par anne tu as droit a de l'internet subventionne mais pas a 30 001, voir que la piasse change de quoi, allez vous faire foutre.

Les credits non imposablent ne devrait juste pas exister parce que ca cree plein d'injustice.
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T'écrira a ton député. J'penses Revenu Canada et Revenu Québec s'en calissent bien de ce que je penses. Un comptable peut aider le monde a optimiser leur situation. (income splitting, qui claim quels crédits etc.)

Y'a pas de système parfaits.
Tsé l'expression " a cheval donné on ne regarde pas la bride". J'penses que sa s'applique ici. Y'a pas personne qui force personne a claimer ce montant la si c'est pas avantageux pour eux.

On parles de 2000$ par mois pour 4 mois alors qu'aux states ils veulent faire UN one time cheque de $1000 par personne (et faut qu'ils paient leur propres soins de santé...) On se compare on se console?
 
Faut pas se comparer au pire, je suis juste pas capable des injustices, je sais qu'ils sont partout, mais ca vient me chercher deep down inside.
 
RWDLover1 said:
J'ai beau lui expliquer mais elle ne veut rien comprendre. Caliss qu'on va être arrêté longtemps avec du monde comme ca. Faudrait donner des tickets pour qu'on en finisse.
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Et ça ne fait que commencer. 2 semaines "in" et le monde sont déjà indisciplinés, imagine ce que ça va être dans 1 mois quand il va commencer à faire +20 avec le gros soleil?

La police ne peut pas être partout, les tickets ne feraient pas une énorme différence au final.

habsGlossom said:
pourquoi le canada avance dans le classement des plus infectés si on est tous éloignés, population pas très grande et tous confinés depuis 1 semaine?
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Tout ces chiffres-là doivent être pris avec un gros grain de sel. Tous les pays ne testent pas au même rythme et il n'y a pas un standard universel de dépistage. Le Québec, n'utilise pas le même que l'Ontario puisqu'on compte les cas probables dans l'équation. Est-ce que la France, l'Allemagne ou l'Angleterre font pareil?
 
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La Quarentaine est oubligatoire si tu revien du voyage maintenant,si non ticket

Ils font ca quand 80% du monde sont deja revenus debuis un bout, quelle bande de cons il fallait le faire bieeeen avant ca

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250Rocket said:
Socialist Canada, once again fucking over the hard working professionals that are still on the job by continuing to tax their salaries while providing $2,000/month to people who they've technically deemed not critical enough to keep society functioning.

Look, I know people need the money and I personally have family out of a job because of this situation (not against it) but what a slap in the face it is to those still working who are not going to see a single cent of relief, especially healthcare workers on the front line. They don't need to cut checks now but next tax season they ought to give a non-refundable tax credit to anybody who didn't take EI in 2020.
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I can't say I agree with your "Keep society functioning" comment.

I run a shop that fabricates tanker trailers. Food, oil, water, concrete, polymers etc...

Without us, no one gets raw materials. We were not deemed essential because in this very situation, we don't need brand new tanks.

I'm sure many people, including myself, would rather be working for a full salary, than minimum wage.
 
Vous allez arrêter de m’entendre chialer: le père de mon kid, qui était dans un garage, a dû arrêter de travailler puisque ça ferme. Je sais que c’est pas encore clair clair si les commerçants vont rouvrir à la date prévue en avril, mais d’ici là, il m’a proposé de prendre notre kid pendant la journée pour que je puisse travailler et moi je le reprends le soir. Ça m’enlève un stress énorme. Fiouf
 
Diode said:
Vous allez arrêter de m’entendre chialer: le père de mon kid, qui était dans un garage, a dû arrêter de travailler puisque ça ferme. Je sais que c’est pas encore clair clair si les commerçants vont rouvrir à la date prévue en avril, mais d’ici là, il m’a proposé de prendre notre kid pendant la journée pour que je puisse travailler et moi je le reprends le soir. Ça m’enlève un stress énorme. Fiouf
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diantre diode!

vérifie sil fait de la fievre
 
SUBARU_WRX_STi said:
La Quarentaine est oubligatoire si tu revien du voyage maintenant,si non ticket

Ils font ca quand 80% du monde sont deja revenus debuis un bout, quelle bande de cons il fallait le faire bieeeen avant ca

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Trudeau... Toujours deux Moves derrière tout le monde.

Quel abruti ce PM là
 
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