Setak
Well-known member
ma mère travaillais encore lors de l'éclosion de la ''première'' h1n1. C'étais obligatoire dans toute son hôpital de se faire vacciner
Fermez les frontières, un nouveau virus apparaît: La COVID-19
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ma mère travaillais encore lors de l'éclosion de la ''première'' h1n1. C'étais obligatoire dans toute son hôpital de se faire vacciner
Larkee
Well-known member
Je ne suis jamais allé à la Rep D mais il me semble que ça requiert Hep A-B.
Matrix21
New member
pas obligatoire, mais très suggéré.
SRT-What?
Legacy Member
Boire de l'eau et de la bière en bouteille....
lord_galathon
Well-known member
Par precaution on s'est tous faits vacciner contre les hepatites avant d'aller aux caraibes la premiere fois. On a jamais eu de troubles.
Pour la covid j'ai l'impression qu'on va etre a l'immunite communautaire avant qu'un vaccin n'existe - au moins il meurt moins de gens car les traitements ont commence a sortir. Apparemment l'hydrocoquimachin fonctionnerait bien mais la dose serait TRES differente de celle habituelle d'ou la raison pour laquelle ca marchait pas au debut.
C'est le doc John machin qui l'a dit - ca doit etre vrai.
Entoucas la suede est en train de prouver a la planete qu'on est tous des moumounes avec les lockdown etc.
Pour la covid j'ai l'impression qu'on va etre a l'immunite communautaire avant qu'un vaccin n'existe - au moins il meurt moins de gens car les traitements ont commence a sortir. Apparemment l'hydrocoquimachin fonctionnerait bien mais la dose serait TRES differente de celle habituelle d'ou la raison pour laquelle ca marchait pas au debut.
C'est le doc John machin qui l'a dit - ca doit etre vrai.
Entoucas la suede est en train de prouver a la planete qu'on est tous des moumounes avec les lockdown etc.
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known member
Ils ont eu 10 fois plus de morts que leurs voisins scandinaves et leur économie est scrap pareil.
SilverViper
Premium
lord_galathon; said:
Effectivement. Mais il est trop tard pour faire comme eux.
carotman
Legacy Member
C'est ce que tous les vaccins font.
Certains vaccins sont plus efficaces parce que les anticorps développés sont forts contre le virus et persistent dans le temps.
HeavyMetal
New member
Pourquoi trop tard?
Parce que le gouvernement serait forcé d'admettre leur erreur? lol
Matrix21
New member
Oui, l'orgeuil parlementaire...c'est big !
lord_galathon
Well-known member
L'economie de la Suede est pas scrap du tout je sais pas quelle batonnet de colle tu as sniffé...
Also: Sweden still have better COVID stats than we do in Quebec.
Mr Miagui
Well-known member
On a essayé de se confiné comme des mongoles, et ça fini que Legault à dû licher la poche à Trudeau pour avoir quelques centaines de soldats dans nos CHSLD ! ! !
Et toi tu parle d'y aller YOLO avec l'immunité collective ? ?
On peut appeler ça de l'orgueil, mais on passerait clairement pour une bande d'attarder à se diriger dans cette direction là, avec notre historique de la première vague!
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known member
Les stats sur le taux de croissance du PNB des pays européens a tété posté ici et leur économie est en pire état que celles de leurs voisins.
Essaie donc de comparer des pommes aves des pommes mon pitou.
lord_galathon
Well-known member
Il y a pas juste le PNB a regarder pour mesurer une economie, il faut regarder le taux de chomage, le niveau d'endettement moyen, etc. Pas mal certain que le niveau d'endettement du gouvernement Suedois < Quebec. Entoucas definitivement < Canada...
Pour les stats Covid:
Sweden: 10M personnes, ~90.000 cas, 5880 deces.
Quebec: 8.8M personnes, ~70.000 cas, 5809 deces.
Autrement dit, d'un point de vue virus, les CHSLD nous font faire tellement pietre figure que l'on est pratiquement a egalite avec un pays qui a pas rien fermé:
Check - je l'ai deja dit: Au debut on connaissait pas la maladie, ce qu'elle faisait, il y avait plein de rumeurs du genre le cerveau t'eclate comme dans Scanners le film.
La on en sait assez pour voir clairement que les niveaux d'alerte sont completement farfelus, inutiles et franchement la CAQ vont perdre des plumes a cause de ca si ca continue ainsi.
MrSpace
Legacy Member
La Suède en partant a une ben plus grosse économie que Finlande et Norvège non?
Je trouverais normal qu'elle soit plus affectée.
SilverViper
Premium
https://euobserver.com/opinion/149505
"Coronavirus: the Swedish model was worth emulating
Until very recently, the media of Britain, France, Germany, and neighbouring Denmark and Norway, have all been highly vocal in dismissing Stockholm's strategy (Photo: Jernej Furman)
By NIMA KHORRAMI
STOCKHOLM, 23. SEP, 07:03
Fuelled by its long and uninterrupted history of statehood as well as its unique geographical location, Sweden has been steadfast in its intent to preserve a healthy dose of its sovereignty and decision-making autonomy from the very moment it joined the EU.
In other words, it has always sought to preserve its ability to chart its own path and avoid total dependency on a supranational body by delicately balancing its regular contributions to various EU-led initiatives with occasional divergencies.
Today, one can see a clear manifestation of this duality in Stockholm's response to Covid-19; an unorthodox set of policies which has received a faire share of analysis and criticism but not praise.
Until very recently, British, French, and German media have all been highly vocal in dismissing Stockholm's strategy as have been the media, and indeed the governments, in the neighbouring countries of Denmark and Norway.
In fact, the latter states managed to surprise outside observers and irritate a good majority of the Swedish public and officials by imposing an entry ban on Swedes due to Stockholm's allegedly misguided containment strategy.
Amongst the former, one could not help but to notice an exceptionally cynical reporting on Sweden in the British media. BBC's coverage in particular mounted to nothing but a pile of highly unbalanced and one-sided accounts with almost all its reports ending with a warning and/or pessimistic tune; that things were going to get much worse and that Swedish authorities would regret going their own way.
Recent events and developments point to the opposite direction, however.
Not only Swedish officials are not regretting their decisions but they can in fact seek credit for the articulation of one the most effective response plans across Europe and beyond.
Today, it is neither the Swedish public that is staging anti-lockdown protests nor is it the Swedish government that is threatening its population with draconian fines as high as £10,000 [€10,900].
To the contrary, confidence in the government's handling of the situation as well as the public spirit and sense of national pride are enviously high.
Numbers of confirmed cases and patients in intensive care as well as death rates are all on a welcomed downward trajectory, and that the government has managed to achieve its priorities: ensuring the psychological welfare of the public and avoiding the collapse of the public healthcare system.
The Swedish economy, meanwhile, is faring finer compared to many other European states.
Small and medium size businesses have been able to absorb the financial shocks considerably better than their counterparts in other parts of Europe while both consumer confidence and consumer spending are amongst the highest in the continent.
Socio-economic life too
Given the above, it is only fair to suggest that the Swedish model has prevailed not just because infection rates are lowering but also because the government has managed to get a handle on the situation without interrupting the socio-economic life of its citizens.
In particular, and as a testimony to the country's advanced and resilient digital infrastructure, the smooth transformation from physical workspace to digital and remote work has been, put simply, phenomenal.
Looking ahead, one could take a safe bet on the emergence of a renewed and concerted push in marketing of the the Swedish model of cyber and ICT resiliency by relevant state organs such as Business Sweden.
The key reason behind Sweden's apparent success in containing the virus, however, is that its strategy has been both expert-led and rooted in the country's own specific and unique circumstances, resources, and priorities.
Equally important, it has been implemented with commitment, vigour, and patience.
These characteristics constitute the bones of the Swedish model and thus it is them, not its tactics, that are worth emulation by others.
Put differently, Sweden's contribution to the handling of similar crisis in the future will be less about what decisions it made and/or what tactics it adopted and more about how it made its decisions and executed its tactics.
And herein lies a bitter reality pill for pan-Europeanists to swallow: any centrally planned, let alone imposed, crisis management framework is bound to failure, and hence member-states governments must be allowed to retain a relatively high degree of decision-making autonomy for the sake of efficiency and EU's own future as a viable political block."
"Coronavirus: the Swedish model was worth emulating
Until very recently, the media of Britain, France, Germany, and neighbouring Denmark and Norway, have all been highly vocal in dismissing Stockholm's strategy (Photo: Jernej Furman)
By NIMA KHORRAMI
STOCKHOLM, 23. SEP, 07:03
Fuelled by its long and uninterrupted history of statehood as well as its unique geographical location, Sweden has been steadfast in its intent to preserve a healthy dose of its sovereignty and decision-making autonomy from the very moment it joined the EU.
In other words, it has always sought to preserve its ability to chart its own path and avoid total dependency on a supranational body by delicately balancing its regular contributions to various EU-led initiatives with occasional divergencies.
Today, one can see a clear manifestation of this duality in Stockholm's response to Covid-19; an unorthodox set of policies which has received a faire share of analysis and criticism but not praise.
Until very recently, British, French, and German media have all been highly vocal in dismissing Stockholm's strategy as have been the media, and indeed the governments, in the neighbouring countries of Denmark and Norway.
In fact, the latter states managed to surprise outside observers and irritate a good majority of the Swedish public and officials by imposing an entry ban on Swedes due to Stockholm's allegedly misguided containment strategy.
Amongst the former, one could not help but to notice an exceptionally cynical reporting on Sweden in the British media. BBC's coverage in particular mounted to nothing but a pile of highly unbalanced and one-sided accounts with almost all its reports ending with a warning and/or pessimistic tune; that things were going to get much worse and that Swedish authorities would regret going their own way.
Recent events and developments point to the opposite direction, however.
Not only Swedish officials are not regretting their decisions but they can in fact seek credit for the articulation of one the most effective response plans across Europe and beyond.
Today, it is neither the Swedish public that is staging anti-lockdown protests nor is it the Swedish government that is threatening its population with draconian fines as high as £10,000 [€10,900].
To the contrary, confidence in the government's handling of the situation as well as the public spirit and sense of national pride are enviously high.
Numbers of confirmed cases and patients in intensive care as well as death rates are all on a welcomed downward trajectory, and that the government has managed to achieve its priorities: ensuring the psychological welfare of the public and avoiding the collapse of the public healthcare system.
The Swedish economy, meanwhile, is faring finer compared to many other European states.
Small and medium size businesses have been able to absorb the financial shocks considerably better than their counterparts in other parts of Europe while both consumer confidence and consumer spending are amongst the highest in the continent.
Socio-economic life too
Given the above, it is only fair to suggest that the Swedish model has prevailed not just because infection rates are lowering but also because the government has managed to get a handle on the situation without interrupting the socio-economic life of its citizens.
In particular, and as a testimony to the country's advanced and resilient digital infrastructure, the smooth transformation from physical workspace to digital and remote work has been, put simply, phenomenal.
Looking ahead, one could take a safe bet on the emergence of a renewed and concerted push in marketing of the the Swedish model of cyber and ICT resiliency by relevant state organs such as Business Sweden.
The key reason behind Sweden's apparent success in containing the virus, however, is that its strategy has been both expert-led and rooted in the country's own specific and unique circumstances, resources, and priorities.
Equally important, it has been implemented with commitment, vigour, and patience.
These characteristics constitute the bones of the Swedish model and thus it is them, not its tactics, that are worth emulation by others.
Put differently, Sweden's contribution to the handling of similar crisis in the future will be less about what decisions it made and/or what tactics it adopted and more about how it made its decisions and executed its tactics.
And herein lies a bitter reality pill for pan-Europeanists to swallow: any centrally planned, let alone imposed, crisis management framework is bound to failure, and hence member-states governments must be allowed to retain a relatively high degree of decision-making autonomy for the sake of efficiency and EU's own future as a viable political block."
Larkee
Well-known member
La Finlande et la Norvège était deja en contraction en Q1 2020, troisieme quart de contraction consécutifs pour la Finlande alors que la Suède était en bonne croissance Q1 2020. Alors que la contraction ait été plus forte en Suède en Q2 2020 que ses voisins, est simplement naturelle.
Tu as raison, il faut comparer des pommes avec des pommes.
HeavyMetal
New member
La Suède a été YOLO avec l'immunité collective??
