Fermez les frontières, un nouveau virus apparaît: La COVID-19

Don't stress it my friend. Debate and discourse isn't for everyone.

was not trying to debate anything.... it's all good though, as I mentioned I'm not happy about being obligated to wear a mask, however there is no denying that a few idiots usually ruin it for the rest of the people, is it the case here or a combination of that and anxiety created fear that pushes politicians to go to far... as we say unfortunately it's not as easy as decerning white and black it's mostly different shades of gray all mixed together, that's why finding a solution to these type of situations is rarely possible.
 

US case count is a meaningless metric used strictly for political purposes. CDC changed the definition of what a "case" is back at the end of April and only recently did the majority of the US states start implementing this counting protocol. So if you have 1 person test positive for covid-19, and the contact trace for that one person points to 24 people, the state is reporting back 25 cases. You can see how this becomes a meaningless metric pretty quickly.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
 
My choice of mask
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Or is this is ok guys?
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How about this one? Better than nothing right guys?
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Haha félicitations les épais anti-masque/contrôle du gouvernement. À cause de vous on ne pourra pas utiliser notre bon sens et on devra avoir notre masque 100% du temps à l’intérieur.

So you understand the motivation behind implementing this mandatory mask policy now? I can't find a legitimate explanation as to why this is happening now, perhaps you can enlighten me?
 
How is it not? " evidence that the use of a medical mask can prevent the spread of infectious droplets from a symptomatic infected person (source control) to someone else and potential contamination of the environment by these droplets."

That sounds good enough to me.

Suppose you could wait for scientist to come up with "undeniable" peer reviewed evidence. You know, the kind of good stuff where every word is weighted and no claims are made unless they can be backed up by at least 37 studies.

Maybe in a few years time they'll come to a conclusion that South Korea did in fact handle this pandemic a lot more effectively than the united states has.

They might even posit that the use of masks by healthy members of the public was a factor. Conditional on a grant and a fully staffed team of researcher they will endeavor to look into this "mask" claim and get back to us by the year 2025.

People were super gung ho to give chloroquine a try, but masks? That's a bridge too far?

I think that the timing and scope of this measure will make it grossly unpopular, to the point where it will undermine the effectiveness of such a strategy. Leave it to politicians to overdo it and shoot themselves in the foot.

I don't think that people going for coffee at timmies in St-clin clin "need" to do it if people aren't being careless. It may be better if they did, but not to the point where it has to be mandatory.


I don't think there's any debate about mandating a sick person to wear a mask. But there is no tangible nor even anecedotal evidence that a mask does anything on an asymptomatic person when social distancing protocols are being observed. That's the take away I get from the WHO's interim paper on the matter. Strictly as an order of operation exercise, what we are doing in Quebec makes no sense. Now that the people are trained and currently accepting the distancing protocol in place, NOW you want to mandate mask use? Shouldn't you be mandating mask use during the acclimation period and then ease mask use once the public becomes comfortable with the distancing standards? Too boot, the case counts, hospital counts, and death counts all continue to drop despite not implementing a mandatory mask policy while training Joe Public to respect social distancing, and now that we're confortable with it we're mandating mask use? And theres no scientific evidence that mask use under social distancing protocols on the face of an asymptomic person does anything................so what am I missing??????????
 
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WTF les Anti-Masque ? ? ? C'est les pro-masque à la V.Plante et ses Covid-Anxieux du toupet qui faut remercier !!! Si le masque servait à ne pas l'attraper, les infirmières nous l'auraient dit depuis début avril au moins !!!! C'est bassement politique cette décision là, pour calmer les ginette-anxieuse et les specialisse de MR qui souhaite se masquer depuis le jour 1, mais qui aiment mieux faire ça en gang pour se sentir accepté !

Les dernières éclosions ne viennent certainement pas des matantes mais plutôt des adeptes de la théorie du complot et autres. Plus concrètement les dizaines d’épais au Miles, le party qui a fait 80 nouvelles victimes et autres.

Comme société on a eu la chance de porter le masque de manière intelligente lorsque nécessaire et de faire un peu attention à nos comportements mais on a été trop stupide et on ne l’a pas porté. Maintenant je vais devoir le porter comme tout le monde même lorsque je rentre dans le commerce vide.

Ca va être l’fun au boutte au gym...
 
I don't think there's any debate about mandating a sick person to wear a mask. But there is no tangible nor even anecedotal evidence that a mask does anything on an asymptomatic person when social distancing protocols are being observed. That's the take away I get from the WHO's interim paper on the matter. Strictly as an order of operation exercise, what we are doing in Quebec makes no sense. Now that the people are trained and currently accepting the distancing protocol in place, NOW you want to mandate mask use? Shouldn't you be mandating mask use during the acclimation period and then ease mask use once the public becomes comfortable with the distancing standards? Too boot, the case counts, hospital counts, and death counts all continue to drop despite not implementing a mandatory mask policy while training Joe Public to respect social distancing, and now that we're confortable with it we're mandating mask use? And theres no scientific evidence that mask use under social distancing protocols on the face of an asymptomic person does anything................so what am I missing??????????

Because people don't want to / can't socially distance worth shit? It's not as if everyone was doing it so well. Guess it wouldn't be needed if they did. But this hinges on people being honest with their symptons (if any) and keeping a wide berth.

It's almost as if people made it a point to go against the directional arrows in stores "just cause ain't nobody telling me how to go about my business in the pop and chips aisle"

I guess that's the price to pay for people that couldn't be trusted to "fall in line"?

Govs in Quebec are usally a little bit more overbearing / obtrusive than elsewhere. I guess they were embarrassed with their numbers and are desperate to bring it under control?

I thought this would've been coming in response to a big spike. It looks a little premature to me. I think it's more genuine to say that we don't like the idea than argue about the effectiveness of the masks on account of what the science isn't saying (yet?).
 
To mask or not to mask , that is the evolution.

Avant Pasteur les docteurs ne croyaient pas aux microbes , les docs passaient de l'autopsie a la maternité sans se laver les mains ni les instruments.

170 ans plus tard y a t il encore des gens qui se feraient opérer dans ces conditions ?
 
Le masque ne sert a rien et ne protege rien a part si tu fais de la peinture ou contre la poussiere pour 30 minutes ou encore qu'un patient de tousse dans face lors d'une intervention.



Quand tu petes, l'odeur passe au travers de tes jeans. Fais-toi en pas, le COVID19 entre et sort de ton masque comme si tu n'en avais pas.

N95+ ou RIEN. Le reste ca ne sert a ABSOLUMENT A RIEN a part limiter ta capacité de RESPIRER et AUGMENTER ton potentiel d'infection SEVERE.

Les infirmieres ne les portent pas longtemps pour cette raison la.

Les gens qui portent un masque en conduisant sont DANGEREUX.

C’est sur que seul en conduisant c’est un peu idiot mais c’est aussi pas mal rare.

J’ai travaillé avec un N95, d’après moi même si on les fournirait on ne serait pas capable de les utiliser. Je suis pas mal en forme, monter 3 étages avec un N95 et j’avais me la difficulté à me fournir en oxygène. Le couvre visage sert surtout à retenir les particules de salive avec du covid dedans...dans le fond si on était capable de garder le 2m on aurait pas besoin de masque sauf dans les endroits restreint. On est 5 dans l’épicerie tard le soir et c’est garantie de j’ai 1-2 idiots qui viennent à moins de 1m de moi donc ok pour le masque.
 
To mask or not to mask , that is the evolution.

Avant Pasteur les docteurs ne croyaient pas aux microbes , les docs passaient de l'autopsie a la maternité sans se laver les mains ni les instruments.

170 ans plus tard y a t il encore des gens qui se feraient opérer dans ces conditions ?

Clairement, l'humain arrive même à trouver ses propres raisons.
 
euhhh I'm pretty sure the "finger" thing has a totally different meaning, think about those "shocker" stickers that were on the cars of whores and their trash "boyfriends/pimps".

edit: "was referring to Grim's post", I'm sure it's probably an inside joke they have between them, Bill Clinton be like "hey look at that photo, see that, got her good :D, you know some people think that's conspiracy, I say right on it is, it's an asspiracy". K I'll log off now, I'm too tired...
 
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C’est sur que seul en conduisant c’est un peu idiot mais c’est aussi pas mal rare.

J’ai travaillé avec un N95, d’après moi même si on les fournirait on ne serait pas capable de les utiliser. Je suis pas mal en forme, monter 3 étages avec un N95 et j’avais me la difficulté à me fournir en oxygène. Le couvre visage sert surtout à retenir les particules de salive avec du covid dedans...dans le fond si on était capable de garder le 2m on aurait pas besoin de masque sauf dans les endroits restreint. On est 5 dans l’épicerie tard le soir et c’est garantie de j’ai 1-2 idiots qui viennent à moins de 1m de moi donc ok pour le masque.

I don't know what you do in life every day but I guess you get spit on your face quite often by strangers huh

Unless someone scream at you literally inches away from your face how often do you get someone's saliva particle in your mouth or in your nose or in your face? And then factor in the odd that this person actually carries virus? And then lets say you yourself is wearing mask to protect YOURSELF. What are the actual odds you catch virus this way?

My point is, if you are so paranoid then wear the mask. No problem, protect yourself. Wear entire hazmat suit for all I care. But why make it mandatory when the chance of getting virus like that is stupid slim? Because "better than nothing"? Then It should be at your own discretion, especially when numbers of covid patient and death are disappointingly low for a "pandemic".

While I do agree that it's not smart to go to parties and grind on each other, the most toxic people in this whole covid story is the typical virtue signaling docile and stupid fearmongering people.

Be mindful, do exercise, take lots of vitamin D to help boost your immune system, go out and get healthy dose of sunlight.
You've been fine so far like everybody else, and you will continue to be fine. My 2c

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''My point is, if you are so paranoid then wear the mask''.

I dont think paranoia is the right word to use . Awareness will fit more. Wearing a mask properly by 70% of the population is as good as 99%.

But if collectively we want to overcome covid while keeping the economy rolling those measures are a bare minimum .
My example is easy : do you speed by a large margin over psl without some protector like waze , which is not foolproof but help dodging the bullet a good portion of the time . I do use and more but this is out of topic.
 
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