** Official 2020-2021 Montréal Canadiens Thread **

-Mike- said:
Patio ready risque d'etre dangereux, les anciens du CH sont souvent des manges marde avec leur ancien club.



CH on gagné 5x contre Vegas
Vegas on gagné 1x contre CH
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Effectivement Galcheniuk a donné le revirement sur au moins un but gagnant des Canadiens.

Thomson a été invisible dans la série contre Winnipeg, il gagnait même pus les mises au jeu.

Je ne fais plus de prédictions a part que ça va être une bonne série. Autant on avait prédit une série duel de gardiens contre Winnipeg, je crois qu'on va avoir une série offensive avec Vegas.

Vegas je leur souhaite une coupe Stanley depuis leur entrée dans la ligue juste parce que c'est des joueurs dont personne ne voulait dans leur équipe mais qui ont réussi a trouver une chimie assez solide pour être dominants depuis. Pour moi cette serie va être win/win.

En fait 3/4 équipes qui restent me donnent de bonnes raison pour leur souhaiter une coupe Stanley.

Go Islanders avec probablement LE meilleur coach de la LNH qui a été repousse du revers de la main par Washington et qui est revenu les hanter depuis.

Go Vegas avec leur gang of misfits.

Je prends pour le CH de nature depuis mon enfance. Go Habs Go.

Tampa non, je leur souhaite de perdre en 4 par blanchissages. J'hais la face de leur coach, j'hais leur philosophie de cap salarial, je déteste Stamkos et Kucherov car a toutes les fois que je les ai pris dans un pool il se sont blessés pour 3/4 de la saison.

Même l'an dernier je souhaitais la coupe a Dallas a cause de Radulov et j'ai toujours aimé Corey Perry.

Fuck the Tampa Bay Lightning.
 
Ça serait assez épique que Vegas commence la série en débile et qu'on les bats quand même au premier match

Genre on les attendrit la D-Line à coup de sherwood et Armia score un garbage goal en fin de 3ième
 
Jeremi01 said:
Ça serait assez épique que Vegas commence la série en débile et qu'on les bats quand même au premier match

Genre on les attendrit la D-Line à coup de sherwood et Armia score un garbage goal en fin de 3ième
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Comme j'ai dit dans le passé, tout va dépendre de comment les officiels vont caller la série.

Regardez les autres séries. Caroline étaient toujours en punition pour des petites afffaires pas rapport qui étaient juste pas calléees du tout dans la série MTL/WPG. Boston même affaire.

Vegas aussi avait plein de punitions mais si on regarde la série MTL/WPG le CH a eu total 16 minutes de punition en 4 games.
 
Tout ce que j'ai de bon souvenir de Peter deboer c'est quand il était a NJ et qu'il y avait tjs une blondasse a grosse boule derriere lui

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Its going to be a big challenge for our defensemen to break out of our zone. Vegas with their size and speed are going to pressure the hell out of our slowish back line core who already have puck moving issues. We also don't have the center talent that's going to come back deep into our zone to spearhead the breakout. If we don't generate a lot of transitional offense, and are unable to take advantage of the power play, its going to be a short lived series. My guess would be Vegas in 5.
 
L.P. said:
Peter DeBoer

Un des meilleurs entraîneurs de la ligue

C'est la meilleure celle-là
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Il a conduit deux équipes à la finale de coupe Stanley. Ses Devils étaient loin d'être un powerhouse et il a réussit à amener les chokers de Sharks en final, c'est tout un exploit.

Je suis curieux de savoir sur quoi tu te base pour dire qu'il n'est pas un bon coach?
 
Christ said:
Quelqu'un d'abonné qui pourrait quote l'article ?

https://theathletic.com/2640373/?so...DGLalUcIafQ7aJJRXzvDKSWC8Y0tJnzLfYskgUAltyGh0
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Marc Bergevin has always been warmly viewed by his colleagues around the NHL. His sense of humour alone has cracked up a number of GMs over the years.

This is the same guy who once picked up a plant at a GMs meeting in Boca Raton, Fla., and lifted it up to his head to hide from TV cameras while waltzing into the venue’s board room.

But his colleagues also know that the job of Montreal Canadiens GM has taken a toll at times on Bergevin over the nine years he’s been there. They’ve seen him wear that, too.

So it’s no surprise that with the Habs clinching a spot in the Stanley Cup playoff semifinals, there were several GMs who could appreciate what it meant for Bergevin to get there and have the faith of his vision for the team pay off with a deep playoff run.

I canvassed a number of GMs Tuesday for their insight on Bergevin’s work and also asked a few NHL head coaches for their take on what is getting it done for Montreal right now.

Ken Holland, Oilers GM: “I think Berg has done a marvellous job. He’s definitely a General Manager of the Year candidate, if he doesn’t win it I would anticipate him being one of the finalists. He’s done a marvellous job. It’s taken time. He’s done it over a few years. He’s done it piece by piece by piece by putting in building blocks and surrounded those pieces with really good free-agent signings and he’s built a team that’s in the final four. When you’re in the final four, you’ve got a chance to go on and win the Stanley Cup. Hats off to Marc Bergevin for a job well done.”

Jim Nill, Stars GM: “Marc had a real good offseason and went out and addressed needs, the (Joel) Edmundsons, (Tyler) Toffolis and (Josh) Andersons. He believed in what he was doing. (Corey) Perry was a big pickup, too, probably under the radar, but an important add for the team and his results during the season and now in the playoffs are reaping (the) reward. And Marc also had to make tough decisions during the season (coaching change). That’s not easy. He had support of ownership which is important. I’m happy for him because that’s not an easy market and he believed in a plan. The only thing now is that we need to get him a haircut!”

Doug Armstrong, Blues GM (via text message): “Marc built his team from the goalie out with big defencemen, playoff style hockey, and he and his organization are being rewarded.”

Doug Wilson, Sharks GM: “To me, it’s fun to see. He’s built a really nice blend of (a) team. You always look at your team on paper, you see what you have and you see what you don’t have. But until they all connect as a group, and buy in and you get them to play the way you need them to play, not the way they want to play; it’s not a negative on Claude Julien but obviously (Dominique) Ducharme has come in and done a really good job, too. They’re playing as a group. They’re really playing a committed, connecting style of hockey. It’s fun to watch, because it’s something we look at, that’s how you have to have success if you don’t have the superstar players or whatever it may be. Yes, they have Carey Price, who has been outstanding and one of the best goalies in the league. But they are the sum of all their parts, they’re a really connected team. You can just see it. … They’ve got great leadership in Price and Shea Weber and (Brendan) Gallagher and (Phillip) Danault. Danault has played unbelievable. I think he’s one of the most underrated guys in the game, because how he plays exemplifies their entire team; he’s a really smart, good player who does all the right things at the right moment.”

Brian MacLellan, Capitals GM: “I thought Berg did a good job. Obviously he has a vision that he stuck to and it’s nice to see it paying off for him. I liked what he did last offseason, me personally I didn’t think he got enough credit for the moves he made. I think he did a great job … Best thing about Montreal winning is that Berg has to keep wearing the red jacket and he can’t get a haircut.”

Bill Guerin, Wild GM: “Honestly, the confidence he showed in making some big moves; he wasn’t shy about making the moves like (Josh) Anderson and (Tyler) Toffoli, Eric Staal, he had the confidence to do that. He’s believed in his process. It’s nice to see. Berg is one of those guys that everybody really likes. He’s such a fun guy but he really works his ass off in a very demanding market. It’s not easy.”

Bob Murray, Ducks GM: “The ups and downs of this business … Bergy is in a really tough market. He’s had the guts to stick to his gut instincts. First of all, he cleared a bunch of money so he could do a couple of free-agent things and a couple of trades. He knew he had to pay for them. He’s built a pretty good hockey team. Again, he had the patience to stick to his gut instincts. And that’s a credit to him. Good for him.”

Bill Zito, Panthers GM: “What you’re seeing is the vision that Berg had when he put the pieces together actually coming to fruition. When you say ‘surprising run,’ he would probably tell you ‘No it’s not surprising.’ This is what he intended. He had a plan and it came together. Which is hard to do.”

Jarmo Kekalainen, Blue Jackets GM (via text message): “Marc has done a great job, he is a passionate hockey guy driven to win. I am happy for his success.”

Brad Treliving, Flames GM: “Berg did a great job last summer in changing the look and identity of his team … He just addressed every need he needed to address. He added scoring and depth up front with Toffoli, who’s been excellent, and Anderson and Corey Perry, all he does is go everywhere and win. It’s all worked out, right? And I thought he did a really good job of bringing in guys with pedigree in terms of Edmundson has won a Cup, Perry has won a Cup, Toffoli has won (the Cup), Staal has won. I think the blend that he’s had in terms of the younger players developing in (Nick) Suzuki and (Jesperi) Kotkaniemi and then (Cole) Caufield coming in now, with the veteran guys, it’s been a good mix. I’m happy for him, he’s a good man.”

Joel Quenneville, Panthers head coach (via text message): “Happy for Berge. Playing a real solid, patient game with a check-first mentality. Strong on pucks. (Defensive zone) structure with a strong purpose, clean up second and third opportunities and let Pricer see the first one. (Neutral zone) very disciplined, tough to get through with possession offensively. They are holding onto pucks, spending quality time in (offensive zone).”

Darryl Sutter, Flames head coach (via text message): “Tremendous confidence and composure of Price running off on teammates. Big D closing gaps and making it hard to get inside. Balanced attack with playoff-proven vets, sprinkle fresh legs and off to the conference finals.”

Todd McLellan, Kings head coach (via text message): “Montreal: confidence very high. Came from goaltender.

“The right mix. Older vets accepting roles and producing takes some pressure off youth — Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov to relax and play.

“Checking for chances and volume shooting, keeping opposition in D-zone for long periods of time. Last is confidence in special teams. Not afraid of penalties and excited when PP opportunity arrives.”

Rick Tocchet, former Coyotes now free-agent head coach (via text message): “Excellent goaltending will buy time for young guys mistakes, players in slumps and a bad period here and there. As the playoffs have gone on there is less of those factors in Montreal’s game. They are playing like a team on a mission not to prove everybody wrong but to prove to themselves that they are a very good team that can win this thing if they keep embracing who they are … Montreal is a dangerous team because of their strong belief and character !!”
 
Expansion draft: What the Kraken can learn from Vegas and why they won’t choose the best available player

First, a brief history about expansion drafts, but mostly, the Vegas Golden Knights expansion draft of 2017. Every time the NHL has undertaken expansion – from doubling the Original Six to 12 teams in 1966-67 to all the ones in between — the rules have changed and as a result, so have the approaches taken by teams.

So, for example, when the Atlanta Thrashers entered the league in 1999, general manager Don Waddell stuck to a tried-and-true formula: Picking players that were available (not much in the way of pure talent) and then slowly building an organization, from the ground up, piece by painstaking piece.

I remember asking Waddell once why he didn’t dive into the free-agent pond. As I recall, Brian Leetch and a few other equally tantalizing talents were available that summer and his answer (I’m paraphrasing here) touched on two team-building principles.

One, it would be hard to convince veteran players to join an expansion team because they’d want to win sooner than later. And two, it didn’t make a lot of sense to commit the dollars it would take to lure Leetch away from New York because there really was no good way to fast track the development process of an expansion team in that era. Furthermore, by the time the Thrashers got to be any good, any player they’d added as a free agent would be aging out.

This, in the era of unrestricted free agency at age 31, seemed like a reasonable, prudent take at the time.

The Thrashers were among three expansion teams new to the league in a span of four years, and two of them did relatively OK. The Minnesota Wild made it to the conference finals in their third year (but missed the playoffs entirely in Years 1,2,4 and 5). The Nashville Predators took six years to get to the playoffs, but then made them seven out of the next eight years.

By contrast, the Columbus Blue Jackets made the playoffs only once in their first 12 years of existence, while the Thrashers only got there once in 11 years before moving to Winnipeg.

Part of the problem was the onerous terms imposed upon expansion teams by the NHL which protected the depth of their existing franchises by severely limiting the options of the expansion teams.

It was also the pre-salary cap era, so teams couldn’t leverage salary-cap space the way they can in current times.

All of which brings us back to Vegas, a team that re-invented the expansion-draft formula, largely by capitalizing on two changes.

One, the NHL was now operating in a salary-cap world and in 2017 when Vegas entered the league, the Golden Knights craftily presented themselves as a soft-landing spot for any team trying to dump their salary-cap missteps. Naturally, they didn’t do it for free. There was a cost associated with it.

Two, Vegas simply had better players to choose from. The formula had become far more generous. For example, in the 1992 expansion draft for the Ottawa Senators and Tampa Bay Lightning, teams were allowed to protect 14 position players and two goaltenders.

For the 1998 Nashville expansion draft, the formula became slightly more generous. Teams could protect either one goalie, five defensemen and nine forwards; or two goalies, three defensemen and seven forwards. Nashville, incidentally, drafted five goalies — including a fourth-stringer from the Montreal Canadiens, Tomas Vokoun, who actually ended up being their best find in the entire exercise.

In short, by the time it came to admitting Vegas to the fold, the league had smartened up.

Under the current protection formula, which is also in place for July’s Seattle Kraken expansion draft, teams can choose one of two scenarios: Either protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender, or eight position players and one goaltender.

It means more legitimate NHLers will be at Seattle’s disposal than were made available in the expansion drafts of 20 years ago and beyond.

By rule, Seattle is obliged to select one player from every NHL team, except for Vegas, which is exempt.

What people sometimes forget is how unexciting that first list of Golden Knights players actually was. Ten of the 30 players chosen by the Golden Knights in the actual expansion draft never played for Vegas and five others played 60 games or fewer. It means one-half of the players they selected in the expansion draft itself didn’t make any sort of meaningful contribution to the organization’s rapid success.

That’s also an important fact to file away when fans of the Kraken begin to wonder why a handful of minor-leaguers they’ve never heard of might be chosen by Seattle ahead of bigger, sexier names.

Vegas created a template: The Golden Knights didn’t need — or want — 30 players signed to NHL contracts coming out of the expansion draft. For starters, they only needed 23 to play in the NHL. Moreover, they had to find room in the lineup for all the warm bodies acquired in their side deals, which is really where the strength of that inaugural team lay.

Seattle will do some things differently, but accumulating too many contracts too soon isn’t going to be one of them.

They’ll select some players on expiring contracts, and then not bid for them as free agents, just letting them walk away. In Vegas’s case, there were teams where they’d probably have preferred to pass rather than select someone from an ultra-thin protected list.

Since that wasn’t an option, they dug deep into an organization’s system to extract a player that ranked low on the name-recognition scale, hoping there was a glimmer of an upside. Many times, their assessments were correct.

To illustrate the point further, let’s examine the actual Vegas expansion draft — the 30 players the Golden Knights unveiled on their roster reveal day, listed in the order the names were announced.

Calvin Pickard Avalanche
Luca Sbisa Canucks
Teemu Pulkkinen Coyotes
Jon Merrill Devils
William Carrier Sabres
Cody Eakin Stars
Tomas Nosek Red Wings
Jonathan Marchessault Panthers
Brayden McNabb Kings
Connor Brickley Hurricanes
Chris Thorburn Jets
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare Flyers
Jason Garrison Lightning
Jean-Francois Berube Islanders
James Neal Predators
Deryk Engelland Flames
Brendan Leipsic Maple Leafs
Colin Miller Bruins
Marc Methot Senators
David Schlemko Sharks
David Perron Blues
Oscar Lindberg Rangers
Griffin Reinhart Oilers
Alexei Emelin Canadiens
Clayton Stoner Ducks
Erik Haula Wild
William Karlsson Blue Jackets
Trevor van Riemsdyk Blackhawks
Marc-Andre Fleury Penguins
Nate Schmidt Capitals

Vegas selected William Carrier from the Buffalo Sabres, who’d only played 41 NHL games (plus 127 in the AHL) prior to being the Vegas selection. From Detroit, they took Tomas Nosek, who up to that point had played 121 AHL games and only 17 in the NHL. From Los Angeles, the Golden Knights had the chance to select players from the Kings’ Stanley Cup core — such as Dustin Brown and Jeff Carter — but ultimately opted for a less sexy option: Brayden McNabb. All three — Carrier, Nosek and McNabb — have proven to be useful contributors in Vegas’s short history, even if they were largely unknown minor leaguers, or in McNabb’s case, a useful depth player on defence, at the time they were selected.

Now, some of the players Vegas chose were byproducts of the pre-arranged deals made with teams such as Anaheim, Minnesota, Columbus, Florida, the Islanders and others to land either good prospects (Shea Theodore, Alex Tuch) or high draft choices (extra first-rounders that allowed them to draft Nick Suzuki and Erik Brannstrom and later flip them in the deals for Max Pacioretty and Mark Stone).

Over the course of their first summer, the Golden Knights traded away some of their defensive surplus (Marc Methot, David Schlemko, Alexei Emelin, Trevor van Riemsdyk). Others didn’t last in the organization past the first few days of NHL free agency (J.F. Berube, Connor Brickley, Chris Thorburn). Still, others went on long-term injury reserve from the start and never saw the light of day (Clayton Stoner). But even after all those player shuffles, the Golden Knights still had too many players on NHL contracts and thus ran into a waiver issue before opening night.

It obliged them to ship a couple of their better younger prospects (notably Tuch and Theodore) plus their big signing out of the KHL, Vadim Shipachyov, to the minors for the start of the season because they were waiver-exempt.

A couple of others chosen in the expansion draft started the year as spares — Jon Merrill and Griffin Reinhart were in the press box opening night. Merrill eventually played himself into a regular spot in the lineup; Reinhart did not.

And then a handful of players from the opening night lineup — such as Jason Garrison and Brendan Leipsic — played limited roles once the season got going. Garrison finished his Vegas career with only eight appearances; Leipsic got into 44 games and then was traded mid-season to Vancouver.

By the time the Golden Knights completed their first regular season roughly half of the players chosen in the actual expansion draft had made important contributions to that team’s success.

Up front: Karlsson, Marchessault, Perron, Haula and Neal were five of the top six scorers (Reilly Smith was the sixth, added from Florida to take on Marchessault’s contract). Additionally, a handful of energy players made important contributions at the bottom end of the roster: Pierre-Edouard Bellemare, Nosek, Lindblom, Eakin and Carrier.

On defense: Nate Schmidt, Colin Miller, McNabb and Derek Engelland, all played 75 games or more on defence, and were four of the five ice time leaders on the blue line (Theodore was the fifth; he played in 61 games; averaged 20:21, and had 29 points — a sign of exciting things to come).

In goal: Fleury was an absolute difference maker: He won 29 games, lost only 13 in regulation, and had a 2.24 GAA and a .927 save percentage.

So, what does the Vegas experience teach us for Seattle? Mostly, that the actual expansion draft is an important, but fluid first step. The Kraken will ultimately chase the best fit, just as Vegas did.

But that’s not necessarily the same thing as selecting the best or most recognizable player.

It’s a nuanced, but important distinction. The lesson is, don’t despair if the Kraken opt for Matthew Phillips from Calgary instead of Mark Giordano, or Nicolas Aube-Kubel from Philadelphia instead of James Van Riemsdyk. There’ll be a certain rhyme and logical reason behind every selection.

The single most important takeaway for Seattle?

If you’re a team building from the ground up, big-picture, long-term thoughts must frame your decision-making process, even if some of the players that land on your roster in the expansion draft may underwhelm you at first.

All you need to remember is that was also the initial response to Vegas’s roster — there wasn’t necessarily a broad optimistic consensus right away. That came later. It was only after the Golden Knights took to the ice that it all started to make sense.
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