Drunk driver Marco Muzzo, who killed 4 and their grandfather, is granted full parole

D_Accord said:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...their-grandfather-is-granted-full-parole.html

Anybody following this story?
He was hammered driving his back and got into an accident kill 4 people.
Oh yeah he's also from a filthy rich family (the family's worth around 1.8 billion)

Ah well who else gets full parole... I wonder if I killed 4, would I get the same benefit?
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Depending on the circumstances, sentence and behaviour you would be granted parole. Break the conditions and back inside

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If you are poor, your are guilty, got money, no problems, thats how our society mostly work, and after that they wonder why people want to fuck it all.

Like that offspring song, its not my fault i just work here but i want to fuck it all !

I can work and i'm normaly good at what i do but somedays i just want to be on wellfare and say fuck the system, enough bullshit is enough. Deep down inside i know its a shitty loser mentality and i refuse to listen to my heart but its tempting.
 
22REpower said:
If you are poor, your are guilty, got money, no problems, thats how our society mostly work, and after that they wonder why people want to fuck it all.

Like that offspring song, its not my fault i just work here but i want to fuck it all !

I can work and i'm normaly good at what i do but somedays i just want to be on wellfare and say fuck the system, enough bullshit is enough. Deep down inside i know its a shitty loser mentality and i refuse to listen to my heart but its tempting.
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just get rich and then go full send fuck it up

wellfare is asking for other to pay for you
 
what a world we live in, seems like the rich get plenty of get out of jail free cards
 
Rat^3 said:
what a world we live in, seems like the rich get plenty of get out of jail free cards
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I get your point, but he did spend 5 of the 9 years in jail. With good behaviour and remorse shown, and also he has been out for a while already and showed he's not a danger to society. It's not uncommon for people to get out at that period of their sentence...his wealth has nothing to do with it.

Now if someone wants to argue that 9 years for the death of 4 people is not enough, that's a different story, but the judge made their decision.
 
CuddlyJen said:
I get your point, but he did spend 5 of the 9 years in jail. With good behaviour and remorse shown, and also he has been out for a while already and showed he's not a danger to society. It's not uncommon for people to get out at that period of their sentence...his wealth has nothing to do with it.

Now if someone wants to argue that 9 years for the death of 4 people is not enough, that's a different story, but the judge made their decision.
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A kid from Montreal-North who did the same, you think he'll have the same privileges ?
Same access to the top notch lawyers that will bankrupt a regular person just on retainer?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/muzzo-vaughan-hospital-donation-1.4251342
Just a little casual 15 Million dollars of a donation may have shown how 'remorseful' the son was perhaps.
 
D_Accord said:
A kid from Montreal-North who did the same, you think he'll have the same privileges ?
Same access to the top notch lawyers that will bankrupt a regular person just on retainer?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/muzzo-vaughan-hospital-donation-1.4251342
Just a little casual 15 Million dollars of a donation may have shown how 'remorseful' the son was perhaps.
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Parole Board is case by case. There are enough tales of people who have killed or have committed heinous crimes who have been paroled. While it's a sad case it's happened before. Blame the lax Canadian justice system

Is Paul Bernardo getting out of prison? No. But this guy has a very low chance od re offending or being a real danger. He will needs to live in a halfway house, report to a parole officer and more conditions for the remaining term of his sentence.

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D_Accord said:
A kid from Montreal-North who did the same, you think he'll have the same privileges ?
Same access to the top notch lawyers that will bankrupt a regular person just on retainer?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/muzzo-vaughan-hospital-donation-1.4251342
Just a little casual 15 Million dollars of a donation may have shown how 'remorseful' the son was perhaps.
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Every situation and every individual is different. I doubt the parole board cares who you are. They look at your dossier and your improvement.

Also keep in mind that donation was done in 2017, and he was refused parole in 2018.... so I don't see how that has any impact.
 
CuddlyJen said:
Every situation and every individual is different. I doubt the parole board cares who you are. They look at your dossier and your improvement.

Also keep in mind that donation was done in 2017, and he was refused parole in 2018.... so I don't see how that has any impact.
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Exactly it's a case by case process. Rehabilitation, risk to society and behaviour inside are very important factors.

Problem using a kid from MTL north is going to be a gang related killing invoking an illegal firearm that was pre planned. Little chance for rehab as they will have revenge planned out for them or waiting. They will have the same amount of time to wait to have a parole board hearing. Which is what? 1/3 or 2/3?

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Rat^3 said:
what a world we live in, seems like the rich get plenty of get out of jail free cards
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It's actually an expensive get out of jail card. Therein lies the problem. If you got money you can pay your way out. If you don't have money, you don't get out. That's 2 tier justice, and it stands against everything we strive to be. Everyone should get the exact same treatment, no matter how much money they have. If anyone can get out after 5/9, then there's no problem. If others don't get out until later, there's a problem.
 
vladjet2000 said:
It's actually an expensive get out of jail card. Therein lies the problem. If you got money you can pay your way out. If you don't have money, you don't get out. That's 2 tier justice, and it stands against everything we strive to be. Everyone should get the exact same treatment, no matter how much money they have. If anyone can get out after 5/9, then there's no problem. If others don't get out until later, there's a problem.
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It is the same for everyone unless you are a dangerous offender or serving a life sentence. Statutory release is 2/3s, Muzzo was getting close to that anyways.


https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-board/services/parole.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-board/services/parole/types-of-conditional-release.html[/url]

It's the same with having a quick and speedy trial. The amazing fact is everyone gets fixated on the guy because he comes from a wealthy family and the media is playing at it. Anyone else would have got the same sentence at the time and released.

Examples

https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/parole-granted-for-drunk-driver-that-killed-bc-rcmp-officer/

https://torontosun.com/2012/08/23/alberta-drunk-driver-out-on-parole

This guy got 14 years in the pen because of law changes https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont...-killing-family-while-driving-drunk-1.3953534
 
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this type of situations are so fukkedup, I mean every time I try to think what would be "fair" and as was mentioned just feels like every situation is different, so I guess even though it's a super dangerous way of judging, it should really be on the attitude and what he wants to do for the family that he hurt that should impact sentence, in this case, even if you can't expect of others what you would expect of yourself, I try to think how would I act in his place if I would of done what he did and try to make up as much as possible, obviously without being able to completely make up for such a thing.

So in this particular case considering he's loaded $$$, in his place I would have gone to the family victim and besides all the excuses I would of said to them that even if I can't do anything to take back what I did, I can try to save as much as possible of the rest of their family, so with my relations I'll get you the best doctors and any medical related costs would be covered by me for the rest of their family lives or as long as I have the money to do it. Would also give them money to make their lives easier but not only that, making sure that those from the family that go to school, get into the best schools, the rest get good jobs, etc... so more or less take care of them. In this case if I would be than to take the role of a judge I think I would get the point that the guy knows the impact of what he did, and not only he will never do it again, but he's already paying a pretty big price directly to the family and not just unloading a bunch of money but trying to truly take care of them to aviliate their pain...
 
Gregster said:
It is the same for everyone unless you are a dangerous offender or serving a life sentence. Statutory release is 2/3s, Muzzo was getting close to that anyways.


https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-board/services/parole.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-board/services/parole/types-of-conditional-release.html[/url]

It's the same with having a quick and speedy trial. The amazing fact is everyone gets fixated on the guy because he comes from a wealthy family and the media is playing at it. Anyone else would have got the same sentence at the time and released.

Examples

https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/parole-granted-for-drunk-driver-that-killed-bc-rcmp-officer/

https://torontosun.com/2012/08/23/alberta-drunk-driver-out-on-parole

This guy got 14 years in the pen because of law changes https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont...-killing-family-while-driving-drunk-1.3953534
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then loaded or not, he got the same as anyone else would have. there's no problem in this case. 9 years for 4 deaths is on the low end, but it seems that has changed.
 
vladjet2000 said:
then loaded or not, he got the same as anyone else would have. there's no problem in this case. 9 years for 4 deaths is on the low end, but it seems that has changed.
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Exactly he got treated as anyone else would. It's not the USA where lawyers will argue "affluenza". It was a pretty clear cut case and an easy win for the crown.

Look at that Sindu guy in the Humboldt Broncos crash. He got 8 years for 16 deaths + injuries. He did did plead guilty but didn't set out that day to kill a bus load of teenagers. I still think he was somewhat railroaded in that case as there was a shit ton of other factors. Plea it out for 8 vs 14 years. Now he faces deportation

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