The Great American Trucker Shortage Isn't Real

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The Truck Driver Shortage Doesn’t Exist. Saying There Is One Makes Conditions Worse for Drivers

As the U.S. contends with supply-chain problems that could make holiday shopping harder, one explanation comes up again and again: The country doesn’t have enough truckers. “The Biggest Kink in America’s Supply Chain: Not Enough Truckers,” a New York Times story read this week. Where Are All the Truck Drivers? Shortage Adds to Delivery Delays, cried a Wall Street Journal headline the week before.

In reality, there is no shortage of people who want to get into truck driving, nor is there a shortage of people who have obtained commercial driving licenses (CDLs).

The stories inevitably cite a report from the American Trucking Association that says the industry is short 80,000 drivers and quote experts who blame the alleged shortage on a lack of people interested in these difficult jobs. Yet, in California alone, there are 640,445 people who hold active Class A and Class B commercial driver’s licenses, according to the Department of Motor Vehicles. Meanwhile there are only 140,000 “truck transportation” jobs in the state, according to the state Employment Development Department.

Those numbers speak to the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people who become truck drivers every year—some with their training subsidized by the government—only to find that the job pays much less than they’d been led to believe, and that working conditions in the industry are terrible.

A Problem of Too Many Truckers

There’s no trucker shortage; there’s a trucker retention problem created by the poor conditions that sprung up in the industry in the wake of 1980s deregulation. Turnover for truck drivers in fleets with more than $30 million of annual revenue was 92% at the end of 2020, meaning roughly 9 out of every 10 drivers will no longer be working for that company in a year.

“​​There’s no shortage of workers, that’s the narrative that gets propagated by industry leaders,” says Mike Chavez, the executive director of the Inland Empire Labor Institute, which is working on a partnership to create better recruiting and retention programs for drivers. “We still have a lot of positions that can’t be filled because of the working conditions.”

There were 1.5 million people employed in trucking last month, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, just 1% fewer than in October 2019, and 15% more than a decade ago. That’s a faster growth rate than overall nonfarm employment, which is still down 2% from October 2019 and up only 12% from a decade ago.

In fact, there are so many truck drivers right now that brokers are able to pit them against each other and worsen conditions, says Sunny Grewal, a Fresno, Calif.-based driver. Grewal, 32, has been driving since 2010, and has a refrigerated truck, which he uses to haul fruits and vegetables. It costs him $1.75 to $2 to drive a mile empty, so any job that pays less than $3 a mile isn’t worth it, he says. Yet as brokers see more drivers looking for jobs, they post more loads that pay less and end up requiring a lot of unpaid waiting around. “If they know there are a lot of carriers, they treat you like crap,” Grewal says.

He’s recently gotten jobs hauling loads of produce, only to arrive and be told the produce hasn’t even been picked from the field. He has to wait until it’s picked and packaged, and doesn’t get paid for the first four hours he waits. There have been times when he’s waited 27 hours to pick up a load. Truckers get paid per mile driven, so all that waiting means lost money, especially since federal regulations stipulate that he can only drive 11 hours out of every 24. He only gets paid $150 for a “layover day,” which is a day spent waiting. He can’t tell brokers he doesn’t want to wait around, because they’ll find someone who will take the load, especially because rates are high right now.

“If I refuse it, someone else will take it,” he told me.

There are other frustrations—even when he has to wait for hours outside warehouses, he’s not allowed to use their bathrooms, and he can’t leave or he’ll lose his place in line. Government regulations mandate that he takes a break every 14 hours (and can drive 11 of those 14 hours), there aren’t enough places where he’s allowed to park his truck and sleep. Truckers across the country have long complained that the lack of truck parking creates unsafe conditions; Grewal shudders when he hears stories of truck drivers killed while at remote locations.

Deregulation Changed Everything

It’s hard to imagine another profession where people don’t get paid for hours they spend at work—unless it’s gig economy jobs where Uber drivers don’t get paid for the time they spend waiting for a passenger to order a car. Some of the problems in trucking arose because the job essentially went from a steady, well-paid job to gig work after the deregulation of the trucking industry in the 1980s, says Steve Viscelli, a sociologist at the University of Pennsylvania and the author of the book The Big Rig: Trucking and the Decline of the American Dream.

Deregulation essentially changed trucking from a system where a few companies had licenses to take freight on certain routes for certain rates into a system where just about anyone with a motor-carrier authority could move anything anywhere, for whatever the market would pay. As more carriers got into trucking post-deregulation, union rates fell, as did wages. Total employee compensation fell 44% in over-the-road trucking between 1977 and 1987, he says. Today, drivers get paid about 40% less than they did in the late 1970s, Viscelli says, but are twice as productive as they were then.

Now that truck drivers are gig workers, the inefficiencies of the supply chain are making the jobs worse and worse, as Grewal has discovered. “So much of this is about the inefficient use of time. Is there a shortage of truck drivers? Probably not. But they are certainly being used less and less efficiently,” Viscelli says. “That’s the long term consequence of not pricing their time.”

Ironically, the louder the narrative becomes about the “shortage” of truck drivers, the more resources pop up to funnel people into driving. In 1990, the trucking industry figured it needed about 450,000 new drivers and warned of a shortage; in 2018, before the pandemic, the industry said it was short 60,800 drivers.

During the pandemic, government money paid for even more people to attend truck driving school. California paid $11.7 million to truck driving schools in the state in 2020, up from just $2.4 million in 2019, primarily from federal money through the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act. The recently-passed infrastructure bill includes initiatives to grow the trucking workforce, including creating an apprenticeship program for drivers under 21 to work in interstate commerce. But the vast majority of the people who pay for truck driving school don’t end up becoming truck drivers.

“Every Monday, they’ve got 100 new people they’re going to put through orientation, and in three months, less than half of them will be in the industry,” says Desiree Wood, the president of REAL Women in Trucking, a network that provides resources and support to female drivers.

Driving Up Debt

Many people take out debt to get a CDL, or enter into what Viscelli calls “debt peonage”—essentially going to school tuition-free but promising to work for a certain trucking company to pay off their debt. But getting your CDL is just the first step, says Wood. After you get your CDL, most drivers have to get further training, where they team up with another driver and learn how to drive and maneuver a truck, by actually doing it on the road. These other drivers are often not specialized trainers—sometimes they only have a little more experience than the newbie driver. This model is especially detrimental to women, many of whom have filed complaints about being sexually assaulted by their partners, who are responsible for determining whether they get the final okay to drive. Long-haul trucking company CRST settled a lawsuit in May brought by a woman who says she was raped by the lead driver, terminated, and then billed $9,000 for her training.

It’s during this stage that many people drop out, either because their trainers aren’t helpful, or they get intimidated by ice on the road, or because they’re not making much money as a team driver. But long-haul trucking companies move a lot of their freight through student-driver partnerships like these. When student drivers quit, the companies just has more trainees to sub in, fed into the industry by the myth of a trucker shortage. “Over-recruiting is the biggest part of the problem,” says Wood.

Blaming supply chain problems on trucker shortages enables trucking companies to recruit more people and charge them for school, only for the students to realize that trucking, as it exists today, is not a desirable profession.

“We need to find ways to attract, recruit and retain drivers,” said Gene Seroka, executive director of the Port of Los Angeles, on a call about supply chain backlogs last month. “ We’re gonna have to think about new compensation models, benefits packages, etcetera. We want to make this a profession that folks want to come to.”

Truck driving companies that pay workers well have much fewer problems with retention. Turnover at “less-than-truckload” fleets, where drivers can make $100,000 a year moving loads to local terminals where they are picked up by long-haul truckers, was just 14% in the same period that the overall industry experienced 92% turnover. Many of these drivers are unionized, Viscelli says, and work jobs similar to the ones they would have had before deregulation.

Of course, it’s not easy for trucking companies to just pay drivers more. If they tell a major retailer like Walmart that they’re raising the cost to haul a load, Walmart will only find a trucking company that can do it for cheaper. And trucking companies are dealing with many of the hardships of the supply chain backlog—they told me that they can’t get appointments to pick up or drop off containers at the ports of Los Angeles or Long Beach. Any increase in costs will be charged to the cargo owners whose stuff they are hauling—and likely passed onto consumers.

California’s landmark AB5, which would reclassify truck drivers from independent contractors to employees could force the system to become more efficient. The Supreme Court is currently deciding whether to hear a challenge to the law, which was vehemently opposed by truck driving companies.

In the meantime, says Grewal, there’s another way in which the supply chain shortages are making it harder to be a truck driver. The price of trucks has skyrocketed. He’s seen refrigerated trailers like his go for $100,000, 30% more than a year ago; dry vans—semi trailers enclosed from outside elements—have doubled in price, from $35,000 to $70,000. That means many would-be professionals who buy trucks after hearing that there’s a driver shortage

will be hurting even more.

https://time.com/6116853/truck-driver-shortage-supply-chain/
 
So in a nutshel fake driver shortages to lower labour cost amd drive up the price of consumer goods .

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It's the same thing about the supposed labour shortage. There isn't one. But there is a wage shortage. When someone says:"NoBodY wAnTs to wOrK aNYmorE" what they really mean is:"I can't find people willing to work in very unpleasant conditions for crappy wages."

The free market says that if something is in short supply, the price will increase. Funny how that doesn't apply to wages...
 
It's the same thing about the supposed labour shortage. There isn't one. But there is a wage shortage. When someone says:"NoBodY wAnTs to wOrK aNYmorE" what they really mean is:"I can't find people willing to work in very unpleasant conditions for crappy wages."

The free market says that if something is in short supply, the price will increase. Funny how that doesn't apply to wages...


bizarre , comment expliques tu que Mcdo engage a 16$/h + bonus de 1000$ ( tu dois faire 3 mois pour avoir le bonus )

un autre exemple, un grossiste Variété Prud'homme qui vend pas mal n'importe quoi pour les magasins de détail , engageait a 19$/h les commis d'entrepôt cet été , le fils de 14 ans d'un couple d'amis travaillais la

la fille de mes voisins , 16 ans , travaillais au wal-mart templs plein durant l'été , elle est en secondaire 5 , gilet jaune et elle avait 18$/h


l'industrie du camionage n'a pas besoin d'offrir un salaire de fou , y'a tellement de paki tamoul descendu du bateau qui sont prêt à faire la job pour une boucher de pain , c'est eux qui tiennent les prix bas


sont où la gang de lâche qui braille pour le salaire minimum a 15$/h ? toute les jobs sont pas mal en haut de ça
 
bizarre , comment expliques tu que Mcdo engage a 16$/h + bonus de 1000$ ( tu dois faire 3 mois pour avoir le bonus )

un autre exemple, un grossiste Variété Prud'homme qui vend pas mal n'importe quoi pour les magasins de détail , engageait a 19$/h les commis d'entrepôt cet été , le fils de 14 ans d'un couple d'amis travaillais la

la fille de mes voisins , 16 ans , travaillais au wal-mart templs plein durant l'été , elle est en secondaire 5 , gilet jaune et elle avait 18$/h


l'industrie du camionage n'a pas besoin d'offrir un salaire de fou , y'a tellement de paki tamoul descendu du bateau qui sont prêt à faire la job pour une boucher de pain , c'est eux qui tiennent les prix bas


sont où la gang de lâche qui braille pour le salaire minimum a 15$/h ? toute les jobs sont pas mal en haut de ça


L'industrie du camionnage le problème c'est que souvent c'est le client qui tient le transporteur par les couilles. Ils ont des contrats signés au KM et ca pas été renouveller dernièrement mais ca va changer dans les prochaines années c'est sur.


On commence a le voir j'avais 2 broker qui venait a mon bureau et y'on changé, sont monté de 20 cent du km... C'est pas rien pareil mais y'était par contrat et pouvait rien faire sauf attendre la fin du contrat.
 
It's the same thing about the supposed labour shortage. There isn't one. But there is a wage shortage. When someone says:"NoBodY wAnTs to wOrK aNYmorE" what they really mean is:"I can't find people willing to work in very unpleasant conditions for crappy wages."

The free market says that if something is in short supply, the price will increase. Funny how that doesn't apply to wages...

On the surface I'd LOVE to agree with you but anyone looking a bit deeper in the Quebec Solidaire/NPD reasoning will immediately find a huge flaw called "Inflation."

It's nice that a 10th grade dropout can make 21$/h filling boxes with assorted products in a warehouse, but then when he goes home to feed he has to pay 6$ for 2L of milk, 5$ for a cabbage and 20$ for a chicken.

His rent is already 1250$ for a ground floor 4 1/2 that hasn't been renovated since the 1990s.

I know, we have dozens of warehouse and manufacturing employees NOW that get that kind of money but also have those expenses. They also have children to support.

And that's only part of the problem. Now, if you're paying 43.000$/yr for an entry level job (filling boxes) what is a professional level job worth?

The technician you paid 45.000$ will want 60.000$.

The Manager you paid 65.000$ will want 90.000$.

The VP you paid 100.000$ will want 140.000$.

Do any of you actually think the companies will take the fall for this and just drop those profits? Hint: They won't. They're in business to make money.

In the end, how much do you want to pay your supplies?

What is better in your opinion?

-Lower wages but also lower overall prices

-Higher wages but also higher overall prices

Consider that with higher overall prices, low range luxury items will be out of range for a middle class who used to be able to afford these luxuries.

I hope I don't have to come back here with a Pepperidge Farms meme in 12-18 months.
 
On the surface I'd LOVE to agree with you but anyone looking a bit deeper in the Quebec Solidaire/NPD reasoning will immediately find a huge flaw called "Inflation."

It's nice that a 10th grade dropout can make 21$/h filling boxes with assorted products in a warehouse, but then when he goes home to feed he has to pay 6$ for 2L of milk, 5$ for a cabbage and 20$ for a chicken.

His rent is already 1250$ for a ground floor 4 1/2 that hasn't been renovated since the 1990s.

I know, we have dozens of warehouse and manufacturing employees NOW that get that kind of money but also have those expenses. They also have children to support.

And that's only part of the problem. Now, if you're paying 43.000$/yr for an entry level job (filling boxes) what is a professional level job worth?

The technician you paid 45.000$ will want 60.000$.

The Manager you paid 65.000$ will want 80.000$.

The VP you paid 100.000$ will want 140.000$.

Do any of you actually think the companies will take the fall for this and just drop those profits? Hint: They won't. They're in business to make money.

In the end, how much do you want to pay your supplies?

What is better in your opinion?

-Lower wages but also lower overall prices

-Higher wages but also higher overall prices

Consider that with higher overall prices, low range luxury items will be out of range for a middle class who used to be able to afford these luxuries.

I hope I don't have to come back here with a Pepperidge Farms meme in 12-18 months.

Inflation is not caused by increased salaries. People asking for salary raises is a consequence of inflation. All those excuses for not wanting to increase salaries is just propaganda from companies that are making record profits.

Answer this question: Should a person working a full-time 40 hours/week job be able to afford food and lodging?
 
Inflation is not caused by increased salaries. People asking for salary raises is a consequence of inflation. All those excuses for not wanting to increase salaries is just propaganda from companies that are making record profits.

Answer this question: Should a person working a full-time 40 hours/week job be able to afford food and lodging?

Is it ok for a person to have the limiting belief that they'll never be good enough to do anything else then flip burgers for the rest of their lives? Why should it be ok to make sure those people never achieve more by giving them just enough, so you can be reassured that they will keep flipping your burgers for as long as you need them to.
 
Is it ok for a person to have the limiting belief that they'll never be good enough to do anything else then flip burgers for the rest of their lives? Why should it be ok to make sure those people never achieve more by giving them just enough, so you can be reassured that they will keep flipping your burgers for as long as you need them to.

If someone is happy to flip burgers for the rest of his life, who are you to judge? Without them, Mike wouldn't be able to get his chicken mcmuffin breakfasts.
 

“​​There’s no shortage of workers, that’s the narrative that gets propagated by industry leaders,” says Mike Chavez, the executive director of the Inland Empire Labor Institute, which is working on a partnership to create better recruiting and retention programs for drivers. “We still have a lot of positions that can’t be filled because of the working conditions.”

It’s hard to imagine another profession where people don’t get paid for hours they spend at work—unless it’s gig economy jobs where Uber drivers don’t get paid for the time they spend waiting for a passenger to order a car. Some of the problems in trucking arose because the job essentially went from a steady, well-paid job to gig work after the deregulation of the trucking industry in the 1980s, says Steve Viscelli, a sociologist at the University of Pennsylvania and the author of the book The Big Rig: Trucking and the Decline of the American Dream.

LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL
 
Boomers leaving boomer jobs.... higher demand for goods/supply chain issues... lag of the real inflation (wage increase) caused by the low money velocity after a 25% increase in money supply

Choose your poison

Stats don't lie...

Labor participation rate
united-states-labor-force-participation-rate.png
 
On the surface I'd LOVE to agree with you but anyone looking a bit deeper in the Quebec Solidaire/NPD reasoning will immediately find a huge flaw called "Inflation."

It's nice that a 10th grade dropout can make 21$/h filling boxes with assorted products in a warehouse, but then when he goes home to feed he has to pay 6$ for 2L of milk, 5$ for a cabbage and 20$ for a chicken.

His rent is already 1250$ for a ground floor 4 1/2 that hasn't been renovated since the 1990s.

I know, we have dozens of warehouse and manufacturing employees NOW that get that kind of money but also have those expenses. They also have children to support.

And that's only part of the problem. Now, if you're paying 43.000$/yr for an entry level job (filling boxes) what is a professional level job worth?

The technician you paid 45.000$ will want 60.000$.

The Manager you paid 65.000$ will want 90.000$.

The VP you paid 100.000$ will want 140.000$.

Do any of you actually think the companies will take the fall for this and just drop those profits? Hint: They won't. They're in business to make money.

In the end, how much do you want to pay your supplies?

What is better in your opinion?

-Lower wages but also lower overall prices

-Higher wages but also higher overall prices

Consider that with higher overall prices, low range luxury items will be out of range for a middle class who used to be able to afford these luxuries.

I hope I don't have to come back here with a Pepperidge Farms meme in 12-18 months.

Side note.

I fear the corpo who will be able to paid good salary will be fewer.
It is almost like that in the U.S. big company are private Socialist system.

if you work for them you will profit from Social benefit.
 
Boomers leaving boomer jobs.... higher demand for goods/supply chain issues... lag of the real inflation (wage increase) caused by the low money velocity after a 25% increase in money supply

Choose your poison

Stats don't lie...

Labor participation rate
https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.n...bforparra&v=202111051233V20200908&d1=19961122

There is also the Great Resignation. A lot of people are leaving their jobs because they feel unsatisfied and that's not just at the minimum wage level. 4.4 million Americans left their jobs last September.
https://www.businessinsider.com/great-resignation-4-million-americans-quit-jobs-in-september-2021-11

It was 4.3 millions in August: https://apnews.com/article/business-459c0884721a213985cdf0185a1176f8
 
If someone is happy to flip burgers for the rest of his life, who are you to judge? Without them, Mike wouldn't be able to get his chicken mcmuffin breakfasts.

If flipping burgers is their bliss, they just have to open a burger barn and happily earn. Who are you to judge?
 
If flipping burgers is their bliss, they just have to open a burger barn and happily earn. Who are you to judge?

We were told that employees are supposed to love their work. Now you're telling us that burger flippers can't be happy working for others and they have to open heir own burger joints to be happy.
 
Nobody said that someone has to flip burgers all their lives. It's an entry level job. There are several options. Even "abnormal" people with disabilities or conditions (like Tadah or low level Autism) can get repetitive jobs nobody else wants to do and they won't get paid 13$/h. We currently hire packaging staff at ~17$/h with benefits and 1000$ bonus after 3 (or 6?) months. No brainer jobs, take a bag, put it in a box. Take the box, tape it shut, put it on a pallet. These people can take courses we would pay for, and then become lift truck drivers, shipping clerks, warehouse supervisor. There's always something.

If it's a corporate chain restaurant someone can start by flipping burgers and end up managing the restaurant, district or province/state for the corporate chain - and this applies to any chain store really. I've known programmers that loved their jobs at McDonalds, they started in the kitchen and by the time they finished their schooling at least one of them was managing a McDonalds.

Not to mention that most lower wage jobs are like tailor suited for students.

Student, can you work full time? No.

How about you work for us flipping burgers on days you don't have school? Sure. I can make extra money despite living at my parents house and not really needing any.

You want to make more money? No problem, learn more skills, get advancement. Otherwise you live with your salary adjusted for inflation every year.

Unfortunately this is not what we're seeing right now. I have friends whose kids, of working age but still in Cegep or University, have collected 2000$/month for the past 18 months (from PCU) and saved it in a bank account so that they have a solid 35k stowed away to "live on" while they are still in school - no need to work if you have 35k in the bank and live at your parents. It's not like they could fucking TRAVEL during the psychosis, or go out to spend this money.

Some bought cars, some even put in a down payment on condo.

Another thing though, that whole "generation" of student labour was lost. They'll never know how it is to work entry level flipping burgers or keeping a shop. All they'll know is school, and whatever job they'll find in their own field.

Can't be humble if you start at the top.
 
Nobody said that someone has to flip burgers all their lives. It's an entry level job. There are several options. Even "abnormal" people with disabilities or conditions (like Tadah or low level Autism) can get repetitive jobs nobody else wants to do and they won't get paid 13$/h. We currently hire packaging staff at ~17$/h with benefits and 1000$ bonus after 3 (or 6?) months. No brainer jobs, take a bag, put it in a box. Take the box, tape it shut, put it on a pallet. These people can take courses we would pay for, and then become lift truck drivers, shipping clerks, warehouse supervisor. There's always something.

If it's a corporate chain restaurant someone can start by flipping burgers and end up managing the restaurant, district or province/state for the corporate chain - and this applies to any chain store really. I've known programmers that loved their jobs at McDonalds, they started in the kitchen and by the time they finished their schooling at least one of them was managing a McDonalds.

Not to mention that most lower wage jobs are like tailor suited for students.

Student, can you work full time? No.

How about you work for us flipping burgers on days you don't have school? Sure. I can make extra money despite living at my parents house and not really needing any.

You want to make more money? No problem, learn more skills, get advancement. Otherwise you live with your salary adjusted for inflation every year.

Unfortunately this is not what we're seeing right now. I have friends whose kids, of working age but still in Cegep or University, have collected 2000$/month for the past 18 months (from PCU) and saved it in a bank account so that they have a solid 35k stowed away to "live on" while they are still in school - no need to work if you have 35k in the bank and live at your parents. It's not like they could fucking TRAVEL during the psychosis, or go out to spend this money.

Some bought cars, some even put in a down payment on condo.

Another thing though, that whole "generation" of student labour was lost. They'll never know how it is to work entry level flipping burgers or keeping a shop. All they'll know is school, and whatever job they'll find in their own field.

Can't be humble if you start at the top.

I really don't get the obsession with demeaning people who work in entry level jobs like they're some sort of subhuman slaves. Yeah, nobody has to flip burgers all their lives but when they are doing it, they should be paid enough to be able to afford luxuries like food and rent (i'm talking about full time employees here).

Has anyone considered that the "tradition" of forcing students to accept shitty jobs for crappy wages where they get submitted to shitloads of abuse is a great way of breaking them and making sure they'll become compliant employees later?
 
I really don't get the obsession with demeaning people who work in entry level jobs like they're some sort of subhuman slaves. Yeah, nobody has to flip burgers all their lives but when they are doing it, they should be paid enough to be able to afford luxuries like food and rent (i'm talking about full time employees here).

Has anyone considered that the "tradition" of forcing students to accept shitty jobs for crappy wages where they get submitted to shitloads of abuse is a great way of breaking them and making sure they'll become compliant employees later?

No.

The so called "tradition" of forcing students to accept shitty jobs for crappy wages where they get submitted to shitloads of abuse is a great way to build their character.

If a side effect of this tradition is that a happy meal is under 10$ well great.
 
No.

The so called "tradition" of forcing students to accept shitty jobs for crappy wages where they get submitted to shitloads of abuse is a great way to build their character.

If a side effect of this tradition is that a happy meal is under 10$ well great.

It has been proven that children who have been abused very often will abuse their own children later on. They do this because they have been taught that this was normal.
 
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