The gun thread

He's the poster child for the sad reality that is now Canadian society.

Most people actually "wanted" this. That's the worst part.

He's gone about it in an underhanded kind of way but the writing was on the wall. He said he'd do it, people elected him for it and now they're cheering him on.


Honestly I was born about 60 kms too far north. In the past 5 years I feel like I'm part of a chain gang (general population) who mostly thinks they'll escape over the hill (get what they want from politicians) and I'm screaming at them to stop because I know it's a cliff and I don't want to be taken down with them because they don't realize it yet.

As I mentioned in the other thread, the media is complicit in brainwashing people into thinking they want something that in fact the "powers that be" want. This is no different. When they repeat the same bullshit Trudope is spewing, instead of fact checking and putting it into context, you end up with a mindless mass of people who are let loose to vote for their downfall. All they did on the news today was throw out buzz words and played on peoples heart strings instead of focusing on how criminals don't care about laws and it will always be that way.

All I know is that historically any government that has implemented any kind of weapons control that increases the gap in power between the state and the people, the people eventually end up fucked.

https://reason.com/2014/05/15/be-antigovernment-and-proud/

We don't have have the second amendment here in Canada but with guns in the hands of law abiding hunters and target shooters, it basically results in the same effect of deterring wannabe Maos and Hitlers. Lest we let them steal all our weapons in the name of security, because it might be a funny thought now, but the rainbow shirts might march those who think marriage is only between a man and a woman off to reeducation camps because it's (insert year here).

And no I'm not being over dramatic. If it only happened once in all of recorded history, I'd hold a different opinion but FFS, it's been multiple times to varying degrees of suffering and it's like throwing a rock up into the air and expecting it not to fall back down with gravity. Power gaps=oppression of the weaker party, guaranteed.
 
Idk. Upstate New York is pretty trashy unless you're really into diabetes and opioids/heroin. It's the land of the Free (and the left behind)

Their firearms laws for long guns are arguably tighter than ours in many ways (banned by objective criterias, not just random list of names/models)

New York State law defines an assault weapon as: Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and one or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one[13]
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
Thumbhole stock[13]
A second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand[29]

There are places in the U.S you couldn't pay me enough money to live in. Vermont is actually pretty cool in my books. It's the big socialist boogeyman to the american conservatives but it's got lesser restriction than New York states on firearms. No billboards / ads on the side of the road is pretty neat too.

We've got a few things backwards here but we're heads on shoulders above America on general quality of life for most people.
 
J'aime ca entendre ca, c'est le seul j'avais peur qu'il soit banni.

T'est sérieux??

C'est une question de temps. Si tu a bien compris ce qui se passe, aucune arme n'est a l'abris.
Ils le font en étapes, sinon ça serai du suicide politique.

Mais ils ont bien ajouté ce qui suit:

"There is also a risk that affected firearms owners may elect to replace their firearms with models unaffected by the ban, causing a market displacement. This risk may be mitigated by adding additional makes and models to the list of prohibited firearms in the future."
 
Idk. Upstate New York is pretty trashy unless you're really into diabetes and opioids/heroin. It's the land of the Free (and the left behind)

Their firearms laws for long guns are arguably tighter than ours in many ways (banned by objective criterias, not just random list of names/models)



There are places in the U.S you couldn't pay me enough money to live in. Vermont is actually pretty cool in my books. It's the big socialist boogeyman to the american conservatives but it's got lesser restriction than New York states on firearms. No billboards / ads on the side of the road is pretty neat too.

We've got a few things backwards here but we're heads on shoulders above America on general quality of life for most people.

You missed my point if you're focusing on specific geography. My reference was only so far as in to allude my convictions and beliefs align much more with the US than Canada. Had I been American I could have moved to a better state. Canada, well, I can't complain too much, could be worse, but I strive for better.

And just to be clear, I'm thinking of OG America, not the hollowed out husk we've seen degrade in the past 20-30 years. Now not to go too far off topic but the ills of the US are very much by design. Destroy the family, feed them crap, indoctrinate them at school and make them struggle paycheck to paycheck all while presenting them the image of the old America (freedom and exceptionalism). In 2020 I will admit that Canada is better off but it's like saying a working Hyundai is better than a barn find Ferrari. Needs some fixing up but the essence of what each one is, world's apart. Trump is the mechanic, a bad one at that, but nevertheless trying to fix it up. You take what you can get.

Getting back onto topic, this play of theirs, they basically went out and strategically found the highest number of owners to fuck over while using the models that were part of shootings to insure the idiots of society bought it hook line and sinker. "We're just banning the guns that were used in mass shootings". They even go so far as to admit that guns that are equally as deadly, but are more obscure/rare, they're not being banned.

And you won't prevent shit. The most recent shootings, the way it took place, you could have given this guy a musket and he would have done the same amount of damage, heck even a knife.

See in the grand scope of things, if politicians really wanted to curb violence, they'd let us keep guns, they'd just need to make society better. Most shooters are men that have snapped, but if they lived with a wife and had kids they loved (and didn't want to lose), a good job, and extra money to go enjoy hobbies so that they could unwind (like target shooting/hunting), these types of events would almost disappear. You'll always get the 1 in a billion fucked in the head person, but a homogeneous and happy population will work so much better than any gun control ever would. *drakememe.jpg*
 
T'est sérieux??

C'est une question de temps. Si tu a bien compris ce qui se passe, aucune arme n'est a l'abris.
Ils le font en étapes, sinon ça serai du suicide politique.

Mais ils ont bien ajouté ce qui suit:

Je suis content qu'il soit pas banni, je suis pas content du ban, loin de la, pis oui c'est clair que c'est juste le debut, le gars qui a eu cet idee merite de se faire bouffer par une meute de loup, un cougar ou un lynx.

Le Canada c'est pas juste la peninsule sud-ontarienne et montreal, je hais les politiciens.
 
You missed my point if you're focusing on specific geography. My reference was only so far as in to allude my convictions and beliefs align much more with the US than Canada. Had I been American I could have moved to a better state. Canada, well, I can't complain too much, could be worse, but I strive for better.

And just to be clear, I'm thinking of OG America, not the hollowed out husk we've seen degrade in the past 20-30 years. Now not to go too far off topic but the ills of the US are very much by design. Destroy the family, feed them crap, indoctrinate them at school and make them struggle paycheck to paycheck all while presenting them the image of the old America (freedom and exceptionalism). In 2020 I will admit that Canada is better off but it's like saying a working Hyundai is better than a barn find Ferrari. Needs some fixing up but the essence of what each one is, world's apart. Trump is the mechanic, a bad one at that, but nevertheless trying to fix it up. You take what you can get.

Getting back onto topic, this play of theirs, they basically went out and strategically found the highest number of owners to fuck over while using the models that were part of shootings to insure the idiots of society bought it hook line and sinker. "We're just banning the guns that were used in mass shootings". They even go so far as to admit that guns that are equally as deadly, but are more obscure/rare, they're not being banned.

And you won't prevent shit. The most recent shootings, the way it took place, you could have given this guy a musket and he would have done the same amount of damage, heck even a knife.

See in the grand scope of things, if politicians really wanted to curb violence, they'd let us keep guns, they'd just need to make society better. Most shooters are men that have snapped, but if they lived with a wife and had kids they loved (and didn't want to lose), a good job, and extra money to go enjoy hobbies so that they could unwind (like target shooting/hunting), these types of events would almost disappear. You'll always get the 1 in a billion fucked in the head person, but a homogeneous and happy population will work so much better than any gun control ever would. *drakememe.jpg*

had you been american? Nothing stopping you from being one, literally ten's of thousands move there every year to eventually take up residency and become citizens.
 
I think it's easy to fall in love with the "idea" of America. The reality though? Doesn't live up to the hype IMO.

I would not mind moving to Wyoming, never been there but there is low people density and the land look amazing.

Wyoming ?! Of all places... I suppose it’s one step up from North Dakota... I drove through and aside from the Yellowstone, there ain’t much to it. It’s mostly flat prairies. If you’re going by the tv show longmire, you’d be disappointed as it wasn’t even filmed in the state. I’d pick Colorado or Montana over wy for sure. Even Idaho if small is your thing.
 
https://norskk.com/life/2020/5/1/sue-trudeau-keep-your-guns?fbclid=IwAR38HbqIA4yG8t0P_WLEpOfZB5FZ2hF6lDrDqnfGn8nS8t9DcXI0REFUj3Q

Every gun owners should do this.

The ban on 1,500 guns in Canada ordered by Trudeau today by bypassing parliament, but specifically excluding “First Nations”, is in violation of the The Canadian Human Rights Act, as it discriminates you, a white Canadian of European ancestry (or a non-white Canadian with East Indian, Asian, or any other non-native ancestry for that matter), based on your race, as well as national and ethnic origin. You are therefore greatly encouraged to file an action with the Canadian Human Rights Commission. Here’s the step by step process:

Go to: https://www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca/eng/make-a-complaint

First Step (Make a Complaint)

I was harassed

Did this happen on reserve? No.

Who were you dealing with? Government of Canada

Why do you think this happened? My race and My National or Ethnic Origin

Where did it happen? Your province or residence

Next Step (File a Complaint)

Who did this happen to? Me

I am a: Canadian Citizen or Permanent Resident

Where did this happen: Canada

City: Your city of residence

Province: Your province of residence

Who were you dealing with? Government of Canada

Name of business, organization or association:
Justin Trudeau
Liberal Party of Canada
Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canada

Is it ongoing? Yes

When did it start? 2020-05-01

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What happened? (Discriminatory acts):
I did not receive a service
I was harassed
Others

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My race
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Tell us your story:
On May 1, 2020, Justin Trudeau issued an immediate and blanket ban on 1,500 weapons. He further stated that the banned weapons were not used for hunting. Following the announcement, Justice Minister David Lametti stated: “There will be an exception for Indigenous people’s exercising a section 35 hunting right, as well as those who use the weapon for hunting to feed themselves or their family. They may continue using firearms that were previously non-restricted for these purposes until a suitable replacement can be acquired.” Allowing "First Nations" in Canada to use 1,500 weapons banned for other Canadians who are not "First Nations" unduly discriminate me as a white Canadian of European ancestry, based on my race, as well as national and ethnic origin.

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https://norskk.com/life/2020/5/1/sue-trudeau-keep-your-guns?fbclid=IwAR38HbqIA4yG8t0P_WLEpOfZB5FZ2hF6lDrDqnfGn8nS8t9DcXI0REFUj3Q

Every gun owners should do this.

The ban on 1,500 guns in Canada ordered by Trudeau today by bypassing parliament, but specifically excluding “First Nations”, is in violation of the The Canadian Human Rights Act, as it discriminates you, a white Canadian of European ancestry (or a non-white Canadian with East Indian, Asian, or any other non-native ancestry for that matter), based on your race, as well as national and ethnic origin. You are therefore greatly encouraged to file an action with the Canadian Human Rights Commission. Here’s the step by step process:

Go to: https://www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca/eng/make-a-complaint

First Step (Make a Complaint)

I was harassed

Did this happen on reserve? No.

Who were you dealing with? Government of Canada

Why do you think this happened? My race and My National or Ethnic Origin

Where did it happen? Your province or residence

Next Step (File a Complaint)

Who did this happen to? Me

I am a: Canadian Citizen or Permanent Resident

Where did this happen: Canada

City: Your city of residence

Province: Your province of residence

Who were you dealing with? Government of Canada

Name of business, organization or association:
Justin Trudeau
Liberal Party of Canada
Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canada

Is it ongoing? Yes

When did it start? 2020-05-01

Click on Next Page

What happened? (Discriminatory acts):
I did not receive a service
I was harassed
Others

Why do you think this happened?
My race
My national or ethnic origin

Next page

Tell us your story:
On May 1, 2020, Justin Trudeau issued an immediate and blanket ban on 1,500 weapons. He further stated that the banned weapons were not used for hunting. Following the announcement, Justice Minister David Lametti stated: “There will be an exception for Indigenous people’s exercising a section 35 hunting right, as well as those who use the weapon for hunting to feed themselves or their family. They may continue using firearms that were previously non-restricted for these purposes until a suitable replacement can be acquired.” Allowing "First Nations" in Canada to use 1,500 weapons banned for other Canadians who are not "First Nations" unduly discriminate me as a white Canadian of European ancestry, based on my race, as well as national and ethnic origin.

Next page

Contact Information: Enter your actual contact information

Next page

Do you have legal representation? No

Are you a member of a trade union? No

Next page

Agreements: Click on everything

Submit
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Une chose qui n'est pas clair pour moi, c'est qu'ils parlent à la fois de Buyback et de clause grand-père, c'est un ou l'autre non?

Dans quel cas est-ce que les gens vont avoir droit à la clause grand-père? J'imagine que c'est uniquement pour ceux qui étaient déjà flaggés comme "collectionneurs", ce qui représente genre 0.1% de ceux qui ont un permis.

Et même là tu fais quoi avec ton AR15 grand-père quand plus aucun club existe lol
 
Une chose qui n'est pas clair pour moi, c'est qu'ils parlent à la fois de Buyback et de clause grand-père, c'est un ou l'autre non?

Dans quel cas est-ce que les gens vont avoir droit à la clause grand-père? J'imagine que c'est uniquement pour ceux qui étaient déjà flaggés comme "collectionneurs", ce qui représente genre 0.1% de ceux qui ont un permis.

Et même là tu fais quoi avec ton AR15 grand-père quand plus aucun club existe lol

Ils ont pas de plan encore pour le buyback et la clause grand-père, ou du moins ils l'ont pas annoncé. Trudeau passait hier soir à TLMEP, en gros il a dit qu'ils avaient rien de concrétisé encore sur ça lol...

En effet, n'importe quelle arme qui devient prohibée, c'est pas mal rendu un presse-papier :(
 
sa fera pas long feu son ban.

Says who lol?

Les 115 personnes qui ont des armes lol?

Moi je crois que c'est pas mal la fin, je serais TRÈS surpris qu'un future premier ministre conservateur ou peut-importe ose réouvrir la canne de verres que représente la légalisation des armes restreintes, si les bannir était touchy c'est rien à côté de les "débannir" avec une population qui est probablement à 70% pour le ban des guns.

On est pas aux states ici tout le monde s'en tappe d'avoir un semi-auto à 3k$ pour tirer sur des cibles, même que 80% de la population ne comprend juste pas l'intérêt.
 
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Says who lol?

Les 115 personnes qui ont des armes lol?

Moi je crois que c'est pas mal la fin, je serais TRÈS surpris qu'un future premier ministre conservateur ou peut-importe ose réouvrir la canne de verres que représente la légalisation des armes restreintes, si les bannir étaient touchy c'est rien à côté de les "débannir" avec une population qui est probablement à 70% pour le ban des guns.

On est pas aux states ici tout le monde s'en tappe d'avoir un semi-auto à 3k$ pour tirer sur des cibles, même que 80% de la population ne comprend juste pas l'intérêt.

On est quand même 2000000 de détenteur de permis, mais tu a malheureusement en partie raison.

Les gens ne connaissent pas ça, et ont une vision négative. Pour eux c'est un risque.

C'est facile de compter les victimes des armes. Si elle a un trou de balle dans le corps, tu fais +1.
Mais le nombre de vies sauvées elles? Tu fais comment pour les compter?

Il est estimé qu'un foyer sur 4 a une arme à la maison au Canada. Il y aurait 37 armes par 100 habitants.
Quand il n'y aura plus d'armes légales, seuls les criminels en auront.

Maintenant, ils savent que si ils rentrent chez toi pour te faire du mal, il ont une chance sur 4 de tomber sur un gars avec un gun.
Que feront ils quand ils auront la certitude que plus personne ne peut se défendre?
 
C'est facile de compter les victimes des armes. Si elle a un trou de balle dans le corps, tu fais +1.
Mais le nombre de vies sauvées elles? Tu fais comment pour les compter?


Ouin honnêtement j'achète pas du tout l'arguement du "Gun saves lifes" particulièrement pas au Canada lol. De un les méchants qui viennent tuer ta famille chez vous c'est un faux problème au Canada on habite pas à Chicago faut être honnête...De deux on a pas de "Castle law", on a même pas le droit de pointer notre arme sur un gars par simple persuation tu peux finir en tôle même si tu es chez vous.

On va se dire les vraies choses, il n'y a absolument aucune bonne raison d'avoir des armes style "black guns" autre que "Esti que c'est hot build/shooter un gun", exactement comme avoir des chars de 800hp qu'on a uniquement le droit d'exploiter à la track, donc si on doit débattre du sujet, la dernière chose que tu veux faire c'est de commencer à inventer des faux problèmes pour justifier tes armes, c'est l'équivalent de justifier ton char de 800hp en disant que c'est pour mieux t'enfuir des criminels qui pourraient te pourchasser.

La seule façon valide d'approcher le débat selon moi c'est avec la question de liberté et tout ce qui tourne autour. Le reste c'est du gaspillage de salive, on sait très bien que c'est dangereux, on sait très bien que sa ne sert à rien autre que d'avoir du fun, mais c'est le cas avec plein de choses dans la vie alors le débât ne devrait même pas être là.
 
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