Ferrari F50 avec VIN magouillé
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Gregster
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https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/t...bridge-u-s-attorney-looking-for-owner.638771/
This F50 has been around the world it appears. I hope it goes back to the rightful owner and not the guy who bought it in the states. He has no claim to it
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Rat^3
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those guys in general are pretty shady lol
Gregster
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The car was being transferred from the Canadian division to the US division of the same LLC at a loss. Pretty common tactic with supercars IIRC. You form an LLC and have the car has as an asset of said LLC. Then sell the company...
Regardless of having proper import paperwork doesn't make the car itself clean. If in indeed it was reported stolen and not paid out on as the original owner didn't have Insurnace then the judge will likely rule it is to be returned to the original owner as it was obtained fraudulently. I was recently invested in reading about stolen art work from the war. Its generally the same concept. If the car had Insurnace paid on it then the Insurnace company owns it.
What will probably happen is the original owner will try to sell it to the guy in Miami.
I'm still questioning how it managed to pass through all these hands and yet some CBP agents in Buffalo NY of all places blew the whistle with the screwy vin tag. I don't blame the dealer locally for anything. It could have happened to anymore IMO
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Dibbs
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That’s an interesting concept. Hopefully there is a clause for recovered goods where you have the option of taking your goods backs and reimbursing the insurance co + interest.
Can you elaborate on the LLC strategy? Is it to avoid registering the car and alarming DMV? In a cross border deal, even if you sell the shares of LLC, there is still a necessary vehicle registration.
Gregster
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In this case the F50 wasn't originally insured when stolen so it still belongs to the original owner. The reason why I brought up WW2 art work is because it's the best example with stuff being stolen then resold many times. Hell our own national gallery had stolen art work in it. While we don't know the specifics of the case it's pretty interesting how this car was able to travel around the world on a fake or tampered vin plate. Again makes you wonder just how good the guys at CBP are...
The LLC stuff is pretty complex but also a rather common tax avoidance scheme involving supercars, art work etc You could do it in Montana although IIRC they might have cracked down on this. As for cross border you can have it kept in a bonded warehouse and take it out under the show/ display law. There was or is some lobby pressure for valuable classic cars to be considered "cultural historic art work" to skirt taxes as cultural items are exempt
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.au...c-cars-have-montana-license-plates-256721?amp
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android25ua
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At this stage, pay a Ferrari specialist 10k to fly over and identify the real vin based on parts/options/components and back track it to roots up until which it was clean?
Funny to know there are people with stolen f50 cars that are too busy with other affairs to be bothered looking for them
Funny to know there are people with stolen f50 cars that are too busy with other affairs to be bothered looking for them
If you read the Ferrari forum, this was already done. they already determined that the car was stolen and still belongs to the original italian owner/family. It's up to the court to finalize the decision and render it official since it is being held by the authorities right now. The original owner has a lawyer in the U.S. representing him and certain details need to be worked out. I have no doubt the car will be returned to the original owner. The leasing company will lose the car and the "purchaser" will retain it's 1.5mil. The loser will be the leasing company since they were in possession of stolen goods.
Al3x_666
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Ferrari a été contacté pour identifier l auto... c’est déjà réglé comme mentionné
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Gregster
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Did you even read the article? Ferrari already verified the car
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Gregster
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I'd say 30% dodgy/ 70% CBP. Especially as that port of entry is massive they know what to look for. It raised a flag and Ferrari confirmed it
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Not to mention that when they see a high end car pass through they are extra thorough to check that a) its not stolen b) Hiding contraband. Seeing a rare Ferrari like that pass through customs it was sure to get flagged.
-Mike-
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Sur FB je lisait un article a matin et dans les commentaires, une femme disait que son mari travaillait au port de NY (douane) et disait que le port de Mtl était réputé pour accueillir des véhicules volés et que c'était une porte d'entrée pour les USA donc ils étaient doublement vigilant quand une voiture de luxe transigeait par la.
En faite, une voiture de luxe qui arrivait de l'étranger par Mtl pour atterir au USA était presque a coup sur pas légit.
Ce que je trouve drole c'est comme tu peux magouillé un VIN d'un char aussi exclusif?
Ils l'ont boité avec une totaled?
En faite, une voiture de luxe qui arrivait de l'étranger par Mtl pour atterir au USA était presque a coup sur pas légit.
Ce que je trouve drole c'est comme tu peux magouillé un VIN d'un char aussi exclusif?
Ils l'ont boité avec une totaled?