Audi 2018 - (WTF!) - Wrong gearbox combos...

BoxsterBoy

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Avant, la A5 avait une sloppy torque-converter...

Ma S5 a une double-clutch, vraiment nice à conduire.

Dans l'attente de la 2018, je viens de lire ceci:

"The new A5 cabriolet will be offered here with a 252-hp 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder mated to a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission, while the S5 will have a 354-hp 3.0-liter turbocharged V-6 and an eight-speed torque-converter automatic"

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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But thanks to Audi fro bringing the Lambo Huracan cluster tech into the 5 series.
 
On s'entend que le 2.0T c'est celui de la golf qui est me semble déjà offert avec la dual clutch.

Et y'a rien de mal à avoir un bon vieux torque converter dans un char sport. Check les corvettes, les transmissions sont tunés sport pis le monde sont ben content (en plus d'être plus toff ben souvent).
 
p-e une question de confort, la majorité des acheteurs de S5 Cabrio ont une tete blanche.

Pas la meme chose mais la 8 vitesse de RS7 me donnais autant de plaisir qu'une fellation.
 
p-e une question de confort, la majorité des acheteurs de S5 Cabrio ont une tete blanche.

Pas la meme chose mais la 8 vitesse de RS7 me donnais autant de plaisir qu'une fellation.

Confort? La double-clutch est ultra smooth et les shift points sont PARFAITS, PARFAITS.

Avant, avec ma M3, elle était presque toujours en mode manuel pcq les shift points étaient de la marde, mais Audi avaient fait une excellent job de ce coté.
 
On s'entend que le 2.0T c'est celui de la golf qui est me semble déjà offert avec la dual clutch.

Et y'a rien de mal à avoir un bon vieux torque converter dans un char sport. Check les corvettes, les transmissions sont tunés sport pis le monde sont ben content (en plus d'être plus toff ben souvent).

les V6 supercharged de S4 ont deja une dual clutch.. ces rien de compliquer a mettre sur leur S5..
 
les V6 supercharged de S4 ont deja une dual clutch.. ces rien de compliquer a mettre sur leur S5..

Ma S5 V6 3.0 Supercharge (2013) est dual-clutch justement... Je comprends pas pq ils l'ont enlevé, même si c'est une nouvelle itération du moteur 3.0.
 
Confort? La double-clutch est ultra smooth et les shift points sont PARFAITS, PARFAITS.

Avant, avec ma M3, elle était presque toujours en mode manuel pcq les shift points étaient de la marde, mais Audi avaient fait une excellent job de ce coté.

sérieux la SMG des M3 etait vraiment mais vraiment épouvantable presque équivalente a la Lambo ;) Mais bon pour en avoir conduit des centaines... la 8 vitesses reste plus confortable. Ça n’enlève rien a la DSG qui effectivement est une référence dans le monde de l'automobile.

La vrai raison doit simplement etre une question de $$$ si aucune reduction de pdsf est faite, Audi fera plusieurs millier de dollars de plus par voiture vendu
 
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/audi-shifts-away-from-dual-clutch-transmissions-20160616-gpkryu.html

Reliability and durability seem to be the main reasons..

The brand that introduced dual-clutch transmissions to Australia is gradually moving away from the technology for some models.
Audi's first-generation TT V6 was the first car on sale in Australia with a dual-clutch transmission, a feature that has since been adopted by brands ranging from luxury rivals BMW and Mercedes-Benz to economy cars from the likes of Ford and Hyundai.
Originally developed for performance cars such as the TT, Volkswagen Golf R32 and Bugatti Veyron, the technology is gradually being withdrawn from high-torque machines in favour of smoother and more reliable torque converter transmissions.


Audi dumped the seven-speed "S-Tronic" dual clutch transmission in the new S4 and S5 performance sedan, wagon and coupe that blends 260kW of power with 500Nm of turbocharged torque. That car features an eight-speed ZF transmission likely to feature in the next-generation RS4 and RS5 performance cars that trade a 4.2-litre naturally aspirated V8 and seven-speed dual-clutch auto for a development of the S4 and S5's high-torque V6.

Florian Beck, powertrain engineer for the new Audi S4 and S5, says the shift is primarily "a torque issue".
"You have to look at the maximum torque. Up to 400Nm is the perfect combination for the dual clutch transmission, but this one has more than 500Nm," he says.
"The new eight-speed transmission is very consistent and very efficient. With eight gears you have very low engine revs while driving. It's the perfect combination of power and efficiency.
"With higher torque combining with tiptronic is the ideal combination... That's the current strategy."
Volkswagen and Audi have had a slightly bumpy road with dual-clutch transmissions, recalling thousands of cars equipped with a dry-clutch seven-speed auto primarily used in low-power applications.
Among its rivals, Ford also shifted away from dual-clutch transmissions and back to a conventional automatic when the latest Focus arrived in 2015 after a spate of issues left thousands of customers with faulty cars.
Dual-clutch transmissions can also be jerker than conventional units, delivering power in an abrupt manner from time to time.
Beck acknowledges that there are low-speed driveability benefits to the shift away from dual-clutch transmissions.
"With a torque converter it helps for the takeoff. And of course it's very important to calibrate the whole power train, it has to work together," he says.
"You have to find the perfect blend between dynamics, efficiency and comfort.
"The eight-speed transmission is the perfect combination."
 
C'est ben correct les transmission à convertisseur de couple imo. Meilleure expérience automatique personnelle: BMW ZF8
 
From 2015 :


The race to higher gear counts is in full swing, and automatic gearboxes are leading the way. Driven partly by marketing one-upmanship and partly by the need to meet ever-tougher fuel-economy mandates, eight-speed autoboxes are everywhere, Chrysler’s running a nine-cogger in select models, and 10-speeds—from Ford, GM, Volkswagen, and others—are just around the corner. The General’s own in-house-developed eight-speed units (for its trucks and rear-drive V-8 cars) are just making an appearance after work on them had all but stopped during the company’s plunge into bankruptcy in 2009.

Now the Corvette gets updated with its rear-axle-mounted version of this new eight-speed automatic. Why is this news? While we’re firm believers that manual transmissions still provide a higher and more nuanced level of organic driver involvement and control, it’s no secret that high-performance cars are often faster and quicker during limit testing when equipped with the automatic gearboxes. Ferrari and Lamborghini have gone exclusively to automatics, and the new Porsche 911 GT3 and the 911 Turbo are automatic-only. One might say that Chevrolet is taking a page from the Porsche playbook by even offering an automatic in the forthcoming Z06—a model that had been limited to manual-transmission offerings in the past. Its supercharged LT4 small-block V-8, with 650 horsepower and 650-lb-ft of torque, will be the most powerful engine General Motors has ever produced. So don’t think of an automatic, even if it is a more common planetary-gear type rather than the more exotic dual-clutch variety, as a handicap the Z06 must suffer.

Gears With Benefits

How can we be so sure? Chevy hasn’t shown us a running Z06 in the flesh, but the company did let us sample the new eight-speed automatic in the 2015 Stingray and Chevy claims that the new ’box is quicker in a straight line than the manual. We discovered that the old six-speed auto was quicker than the manual version with individual tests of Stingray convertibles, but knocking another tenth off of the zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile times puts the estimated times of the eight-cog Vette perilously close to those recorded for the C6 ZR1 in the first metric and nearly into the 11-second range in the second.

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The new GM 8L90 eight-speed automatic, which will also go to work in the 2015 full-size trucks and SUVs equipped with the 6.2-liter V-8, doesn’t hamper the fun one bit. On a road course, taking hot laps in an automatic that performs ignition-spark-cutting upshifts and positive-torque downshifts (engineer jargon for blipping the throttle to match revs) quicker than humanly possible allows the driver to concentrate on the steering and braking, potentially turning quicker laps in the process. Plus, from our seat-of-the-pants perspective, the GM 8L90 shifts as quickly as any dual-clutch unit available. Corvette engineers benchmarked the ZF’s dual-clutch automatic that goes into the Porsche 911 and claim the new GM ’box actually shifts quicker in some cases.

Goin’ With the Flow

Several laps of GM’s Milford Road Course revealed that the transmission programing in good-old “D” with the car’s Performance Traction Management switched on is pretty good for track duty. It’ll hold gears up to redline, downshift by itself just as one might do while tapping the steering-wheel paddles, and automatically upshift when it should. A two-three midcorner upshift doesn’t upset the chassis as it might with a manual transmission because the torque flow at gearchanges is smoother. We’re not saying the automatic is more fun to drive than the seven-speed manual, but don’t be surprised if the next Corvette we put on a racetrack has an automatic.

GM wouldn’t confirm whether the automatic Corvette is quicker on the track, but the Z51-equipped cars are certainly built for it; they will lap continuously for a full tank of fuel without overheating. When the 8L90 goes into the Z06, it’ll have two transmission coolers—one in the hindquarters, as with regular Stingrays, and another farther up the chassis laying flat on the underbelly.

Through ample use of aluminum and even some magnesium (a first for GM automatics), the new 8L90 weighs eight pounds less than the six-speed 6L80 it replaces, so curb weights should not increase for 2015. The new transmission gets its eight ratios, with a 7.02:1 spread, from four simple planetary gearsets and five clutches, three of which are always closed for increased efficiency. And speaking of efficiency, Chevy says it missed its goal of achieving a 30-mpg EPA highway rating by the narrowest of margins—one hundredth of a mpg. Corvette chief engineer Tadge Juechter says GM will retest the car next year with an extra 2 psi in the tires in an attempt to attain the 30-mpg label. That’ll require Chevy to change the recommended pressure on the door-frame placard and then print in the owner’s manual that it is okay to run at a lower pressure for “comfort.” That’s a trick Porsche’s been doing for years.

Watch this space for a full test of the eight-speed-automatic 2015 Stingray as soon as we can hook up our gear to one. All that talk about another mile per gallon is nice, but we’ll let you know if our prediction of a 0.1-second quicker zero-to-60 time compared with that of our last test of a six-speed automatic Vette—down to 3.6 seconds—pans out.
 
I'm guessing some genius in the marketing department figured out they could use 8 vs 7 speed as a differentiatior to "upsell" the S5.

"More cylinders! more forward gears! More better!"
 
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