Article: Salon de l'auto de Montreal 2013 - Les Anti-PAF

Lexus

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So I went to the car show today and inspired by our friend who made a PAF thread not too long ago, I decided we should also have an Anti-PAF thread. So what's your top 10 cars available on the Canadian market for 2013 that when you climbed aboard your 1st thought was "Damn this sucks!"

I won't put up pics cuz I'm lazy but here's my top 10 this year:

1. Nissan Versa Sedan - Took the crown last year and still has it. This thing is so horrible, every time I see a non F-plated one on the street I'm wonder how is it possible that someone actually bought such a POS...makes no sense. This is made for 3rd world countries and it shows. It should also cost below 10K just like it probably does in those markets.

2. Mitsubishi I-Miev - wow, wow, wow.....and not in a good way. No wonder Mitsubishi is going down the drain with such masterpieces selling for 30k.

3. Smart - Before the arrival of the Versa Sedan last year this was the champ.

4. Scion Xd - Horrific. Low quality and butt ugly on top of it.

5. Toyota Corolla (base) - oh dear God this thing needs to be overhauled badly. Oddly enough, in LE trim with the optitron gauges and auto climate control it's pretty decent.

6. Jeep Patriot/Compass - These 2 cars were left behind while Chrysler changed pretty much everything else for much better. They look and feel so Caliber-y (and this is not a compliment), it's sad.

7. VW Jetta Trendline & Trendline+ - a returning favorite, unlike Honda that took in the complaints and changed the Civic for the better, VW chose to keep their crappy base models the same and just give them away for 169$/month + tx.

8. Mitsubishi Lancer - this car is just too old, like the Corolla, it needs an overhaul which is probably coming soon.

9. Mazda 2 - I don;t think any explanations are required given its price. But why can Kia and Hyundai offer decent interiors at this price point and Mazda can't? Hell, even the Yaris is decent now.

10.. Suzuki SX4 (base)- This was not too bad when it came out and it's still decent in higher trims but compared to most new subcompacts, it really fell behind.




Special mentions:
WRX/STI - Yes they suck given we're in 2013 and they cost 30-45K. But everyone knows this already.
Camry - Worst interior in its class. I see what all the reviewers are talking about. But it's still simple and well thought out but compared to the new Fusion, new Accord and even new Altima, they are way behind.
 
lexus you hit it right on the nose... This list is most definitely accurate in regards to the current most crappy interiors of 2013... It's a good thing that crappy mitsubishi sub-compat was locked otherwise they would have 3 anti-paf contenders...
 
Je pense pas qu'on puisse chailer a propos d'une voiture a 11 000$ comme la Versa... Ces voitures la ne sont pas supposees etre belles, bien finies ou luxueuses, elles sont faites pour etre economiques. Allez-voir ailleurs si vous voulez une bonne finition interieure...
 
Je pense pas qu'on puisse chailer a propos d'une voiture a 11 000$ comme la Versa... Ces voitures la ne sont pas supposees etre belles, bien finies ou luxueuses, elles sont faites pour etre economiques. Allez-voir ailleurs si vous voulez une bonne finition interieure...

Cette voiture la, dans le trim de base (ca veut dire completement nue) devrait pas couter plus que 8000$. (avec les autres frais ca revient a 10K de toute facon). C'est en effet juste une Renault Symbol rebadge. Et les Symbol c'est ca que ca coute en Europe de l'est et Turkey.
 
A lot of people are buying the new jetta and drives them like a audi , i swear to god they all do the same. I really want to tell them "its a 1997 recycled engine you've got in there with plenty of plasti covers, now stop driving like a baller"
 
wait what?? who does that?

i have a 2012 jetta and who can ball in this? it's an econo car lol

for the price, i can't complain. old engine, yes, but cheap on gas and reliable. the low hp isn't that bad either. with a great tranny,it's fine.

for less than a accent, it's a good deal. nothing do to with the older jetta, but for a level entry car, it's all fine.
 
I never understood why the Wrx/STi has such an interior when you can get a nice one in the Legacy...my dad.s Legacy is real nice with Harman Kardon stereo, brushed "stainless" trims, leather and a nice white/blue and red cluster.
 
^^ my opinion is that the wrx/sti are already kinda expensive as-is. Of course they could offer some options but let's say you have a 5K$ option that brings a nicer interior, you're in the S4 price territory and suby can't match audi's interior.

my .02$

by the way, the reason I would never buy a sti/evo X is ONLY because of the shitty interior.
 
I never understood why the Wrx/STi has such an interior when you can get a nice one in the Legacy...my dad.s Legacy is real nice with Harman Kardon stereo, brushed "stainless" trims, leather and a nice white/blue and red cluster.

In Japan there was a special edition STi LE available in 2009 only iirc... It had the features that you where mentioning but failed to sell in adequate #s due to it not meeting the target audience... At least subaru gave it a whirl...
 
C'est 11k une versa flambette? Shit c'est quand même pas cher me semble...

11900 +1600 de freight & pdi + tax . Elle est vraiment nue par example. Je regardais tantot pis elle n'as meme pas de lumiere dans le coffre (modele de base, les autres l'ont)
 
^^ my opinion is that the wrx/sti are already kinda expensive as-is. Of course they could offer some options but let's say you have a 5K$ option that brings a nicer interior, you're in the S4 price territory and suby can't match audi's interior.

my .02$

by the way, the reason I would never buy a sti/evo X is ONLY because of the shitty interior.

But a s4 can't match evo/sti performance? You pick, luxury or performance. Kind of a tired point of discussion.
 
A lot of people are buying the new jetta and drives them like a audi , i swear to god they all do the same. I really want to tell them "its a 1997 recycled engine you've got in there with plenty of plasti covers, now stop driving like a baller"

That engine was old in 1997... it is basically a much revamped 1970 engine. The only big change was the crossflow head in 1993. Aside from that, it still got a distributor, for fuck's sake. Unless they decided to put the coild packs right where the dizzy used to be, and reuse the same goddamn shitty leads theu have been using for 30 years.

But the i-Miev is still much worse, for twice the price. It's a 32000$ Tata Nano.
 
That engine was old in 1997... it is basically a much revamped 1970 engine. The only big change was the crossflow head in 1993. Aside from that, it still got a distributor, for fuck's sake. Unless they decided to put the coild packs right where the dizzy used to be, and reuse the same goddamn shitty leads theu have been using for 30 years.

But the i-Miev is still much worse, for twice the price. It's a 32000$ Tata Nano.

les 2.0l de mk4 en montant ont pas de distributeur, sauf sur les cabrio ( mais les cabrio sont des mk3 donc... ) c'est pas des mauvais moteur à part le fait qu'ils sont vache, je veux dire c'est probablement le meilleur moteur de volks en se moment en terme de fiabilité. L4, Bloc en fonte, single cam, timing belt, définitivement mon type de moteur préféré.
 
That engine was old in 1997... it is basically a much revamped 1970 engine. The only big change was the crossflow head in 1993. Aside from that, it still got a distributor, for fuck's sake. Unless they decided to put the coild packs right where the dizzy used to be, and reuse the same goddamn shitty leads theu have been using for 30 years.

But the i-Miev is still much worse, for twice the price. It's a 32000$ Tata Nano.

The problem is most buyers dont k ow that and thinks they are driving a audi A4. Not all but most !!
 
11900 +1600 de freight & pdi + tax . Elle est vraiment nue par example. Je regardais tantot pis elle n'as meme pas de lumiere dans le coffre (modele de base, les autres l'ont)

Ce qui monte a au dessus de 15k, moins interessant mais bon
 
lexus you hit it right on the nose... This list is most definitely accurate in regards to the current most crappy interiors of 2013... It's a good thing that crappy mitsubishi sub-compat was locked otherwise they would have 3 anti-paf contenders...

X2, well said.
 
J'ai loué une Versa pour faire un road trip au Mexique. Il faisait 40 degrés a part l'humidité, c'était montagneux, des bouts dans la jungle et des bouts désertique. J'ai quand même apprécié la Versa, c'était quand même confortable, AC en masse puissante, brake ont pas chauffé, très économique, assez de jus pour monter les cotes de la Sierra Leonne. Mon opinion est que c'est mieux qu'une Yaris niveau espace de rangement, confort, solidité, c'est fait assez ruff une Versa.
 
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