Quebec in Time magazine

4doorbeater said:

Beau complexe d'infériorité déguisé en article. C'est très mal écrit.

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4doorbeater said:

Beau complexe d'infériorité déguisé en article. C'est très mal écrit.

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zokissima said:

What makes you say that precisely? There was very little opinion, and very much fact in the article...

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To live in Quebec is to become accustomed to daily reminders that French in the Canadian province is the most regulated language in the world. Any stats on this? Any source? Try, as I did recently, to shop at Anthropologie online and you’ll come up empty-handed. The retail chain (which bears a French name) opened its first Montreal boutique in October, but “due to the Charter of the French Language” has had its site shut down: “We hope you’ll visit us in store!” Montreal’s transit authority maintains that under the present language law, its ticket takers must operate in French, which lately has spurred complaints from passengers. La STM exige que les employés maitrisent le français. Point. Est ce qu'ils devraient exiger le bilinguisme? Peut-être. Mais là n'est pas l'affirmation. Il n'y a aucun corporate guideline sur le fait de ne pas s'exprimer en anglais... Last year, the city of Montreal erected 60 English safety signs nearby Anglophone schools in an effort to slow passing vehicles. The Quebec Board of the French Language and its squad of inspectors ordered that they be taken down; a snowy drive through town revealed that all had been replaced by French notices.

Dans ce premier paragraphe, que des exemples de nuisance de la loi. Facts? :dunno:

Since the Parti Québécois (PQ), which calls for national sovereignty for Quebec, won a minority government in September, the reminders have become increasingly less subtle. In February, a language inspector cited the swank supper club Buonanotte, which occupies a stretch of St. Laurent Boulevard, Montreal’s cultural and commercial artery, for using Italian words like pasta on its otherwise French menu. The ensuing scandal, which has come to be known as “pastagate,” took social media by storm. “These are problems we had in the 1980s,” says restaurant owner Massimo Lecas. “They were over and done with; we could finally concentrate on the economy and fixing potholes. And then this new government brought them all back. These issues might never go away now, and that is a scary sort of future.”

It’s true: despite the nuisances and controversies generated by Bill 101, Quebec’s 1977 Charter of the French Language, the province had settled in the past years into a kind of linguistic peace. But tensions have mounted considerably since the separatist PQ returned to the fore. Totalement faux. La saga du Conti Caffe a commencé il y a plus de 18 mois. Qui étais au pouvoir à l'époque? Le PLC. Source http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/italian-caffe-goes-decaf-after-oqlf-complaint-1.1172334In the wake of pastagate, the language board allowed that its requests were maybe overzealous; the head of the organization resigned. And yet the PQ has prepared for the passage of Bill 14, a massive and massively controversial revision to Bill 101. The bill’s 155 proposed amendments go further than any previous measures have to legislate the use of French in Quebec. Most English speakers see the changes as having been designed to run them right out of the province.

“Definitely non-Francophone kids who are graduating are leaving,” says restaurateur Lecas. Again, stats? Sources? Purely an opinion.“If you don’t have a mortgage yet, if you’re not married yet, if you don’t own a business yet, it’s like, ‘I’m so outta here.’ But leaving is not the solution because when you leave, they win.” In a poll conducted by the research company EKOS in January, 42% of the Anglophones surveyed said they’ve considered quitting Quebec since the PQ was elected.C'est facile de jouer avec les mots. 42% des anglophones ont considérés quitter le QC depuis l'élection du PQ. D'accord, mais quelle était la question exacte? Était-ce à cause de l'élection du PQ ou c'était depuis la date de l'élection du PQ?*Différence majeure! Aussi, quels sont les stats des anglophones qui désiraient quitter avec le PLQ au pouvoir?

If Bill 14 passes, military families living in Quebec but liable to be relocated at any time will no longer be permitted to send their children to English-language schools. Municipalities whose Anglophone inhabitants make up less than 50% of their populations will lose their bilingual status, meaning, among other things, that residents won’t be able to access government documents in English. For the first time, companies with 25 to 49 workers will be required to conduct all business in French, a process set to cost medium-size businesses $23 million. Sources? French speakers interested in attending English-language colleges will take a backseat to Anglophone applicants. The language inspectors will be able to instantly search and seize potentially transgressive records, files, books and accounts, where currently they can only “request” documents that they believe aren’t in accordance with the law. And no longer will they grant a compliance period. As soon as a person or business is suspected of an offense, “appropriate penal proceedings may be instituted.”

Jamie Rosenbluth of JR Bike Rental is among the business owners who’ve had run-ins with the ever more bold language board, which already has the authority to impose fines and, in extreme cases, shut enterprises down. What?!?! A month ago, an inspector asked him to translate the Spanish novelty posters that paper his shop and increase the size of the French writing on his bilingual pricing list by 30%. Says Rosenbluth: “I told her, ‘You want me to make the French words 30% bigger? O.K., how about I charge French-speaking people 30% more?’ It is so silly. Are they 30% better than me? Are they 30% smarter than me?” Honnêtement... Je pense pas que l'auteure aide sa cause en citant un hillbilly redneck comme lui. Son argumentation ne fait aucun sens. En fait, il n'a aucun argument. L'auteure ne peut tout de même pas inventer des entrevues, et c'est correct de citer intégralement ses sources. Le fait qu'elle base son article sur ce témoignage n'est pas trop fort de sa part. Since the encounter, he has covered the offending posters with placards of his own that say, in French, “Warning: Non-French sign below. Read at your own discretion.”

The PQ is trying to reassure its separatist base of its seriousness as a defender of Quebecois identity.La très grande majorité des partis provinciaux, séparatistes ou non, suggèrent et appuient l'identité québécoise. C'est la base même du constant combat entre Québec et Ottawa sur les pouvoirs respectifs. Hell, même le gourvenement canadien reconnait l'identité québécoise. To pass Bill 14, it will need the support of at least one of the province’s two primary opposition parties. In other words, if the bill doesn’t succeed, Premier Pauline Marois of the PQ will be able to hold the opposition accountable and remain a hero to the hard-liners. The PQ knows that, in its present incarnation, it will never drastically expand its core of support,Si ce n'est pas une opinion, c'est quoi alors, cette phrase? but it can galvanize its troops. Some of those supporters rallied together in Montreal last month to protest “institutional bilingualism” and champion the bill. Cheers and applause resounded when journalist Pierre Dubuc called out: “If someone can’t ask for a metro ticket in French, let them walk.”

Public hearings on Bill 14 began in early March at the National Assembly in Quebec City and are ongoing. “I can tell you that if someone came to Côte-St.-Luc to tell us we would lose our bilingual status, you will have chaos, you will have opposition of people you wouldn’t think of who will take to the streets,” testified Anthony Housefather, mayor of the municipality of Côte-St.-Luc, on the first day. “People are scared, people are very scared.” By the time Quebec’s largest Anglophone school board, Lester B. Pearson, came forward on March 19, it had already collected 32,000 signatures on a petition against the bill. “There are many ways of protecting French, and coercion isn’t one of them,” says Simo Kruyt, a member of the board’s central parent committee. “Fourteen of our schools have closed over the past seven years. We are getting fed up. We are getting tired of having to fight to be who we are. English is the language of commerce and we parents believe we are part of a world that’s larger than Quebec.”

It’s hard yet to say if the bill will make it through. The opposition Liberals have flat-out refused to support the legislation. The Coalition Avenir Québec, which holds the balance, has said that it might — if certain of the more controversial measures are “improved.” In fact, the Coalition has only come out against four sections of Bill 14, and these don’t include the provisions that would give the dreaded language inspectors new and extraordinary powers. In the face of such antagonism, it’s no wonder some are leaving. Kruyt’s eldest son, a bilingual 27-year-old engineer, is preparing to relocate to Ottawa, the Canadian capital that sits near Quebec’s western border. Says Kruyt: “There, they’ll appreciate his French and won’t hammer him because of his English.”On mélange clairement les chose. Aucune compagnie ne va t'en vouloir d'être bilingue, au QC comme au Canada.

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theoutsider said:

Peut etre, mais il reste que c est stupide quand meme. On a vraiment pas le temps de gosser avec ca presentement.

J'ai deja defendu la langue francaise a la vie a la mort jusqu'au jour ou je me suis rendu compte que je jappais pour rien.

Honnetement, ajd tout pourrait etre en anglais je m'en foutrais deux fois plutot qu'une. Je commence a etre plutot inquiet pour l economie globale de la province plus que n'importe quoi d'autre..

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BurnsWRC said:

^ Je comprends ton point mais il reste que ça dépend aussi de ton opinion personnelle sur le sujet qui affect si l'article te plais ou pas

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AudioAltima said:

Sa resume pas mal les reponses de 4door. On voit tout de suite de quel bord qu'il est.

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4doorbeater said:

Honnêtement, je n'ai pas d'opinion sur le sujet. C'est beaucoup plus complexe que simplement blanc ou noir. Je l'ai expliqué très bien plus haut.

Si on suit ta logique, tu affirme que la désinformation est utile pour arriver à ses fins lorsque la tendance de l'article concorde avec ce que l'on croit.

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