The Real Danger On our Roads (Pics)

Says the owner of the biggest street racing forum in Quebec who's never sped in his life.

Please tell me how slow you drove while racing in the good old days.

Ca s'appelle vieillir. Serieusement, tout le monde change de mentalité en vieillissant, meme si c'est juste un peu.
 
I decided to look up the stats. Here are Canadian road accidents from 2009 by agegroup.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-tp3322-2009-1173.htm

Age Fatalities Serious Inj Injuries (Total)
15-245232,94742,257
25–343641,94630,738
35–442441,70426,148
45–543551,85626,205
55–642521,08916,418
65 +3891,11613,922


As you can see, the 15-24 group is the most affected. Also note that the 65+ is not a ten year increment but encompass everyone in their 70s, 80s and 90s.

Stop using TVA tactics. One thing I fail to see is a comparison on km traveled vs. death/injuries. As a young adult you usually do long road trips and drive for the sake of driving. Exposure to risk increases the chance of something happening. So comparing an 18 year old that logs at least 2000km/month vs a 70 year old that drives 5 km to the grocery store and back changes the dynamic immensely.

Also young people rack up the numbers because it always seems like there's 3, 4 or even 5 people in the car.
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/four-injured-in-pointe-claire-crash-1.650176

That's +4 on the injured column in one accident while the old people it's probably 2-4 separate crashes.

I'm not saying young people don't take stupid and unnecessary risks but you definitely don't hear about 20 year olds crashing into stores.

They shout it from the mountain tops when some young guy posts a youtube video going 200+ and nothing happens but then bury stories like:

1)http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Driver+crashes+through+Montreal+Road+branch/7959936/story.html
2)http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...es-into-restaurant-chez-leli-princeville.html
3)http://globalnews.ca/news/488692/two-dead-after-dramatic-car-crash-near-montreal-casino/

or you got the bohemeths like: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/woman-76-crashes-car-into-florida-market-injures-10/

Yes I know the last one is in Florida but I'd never see a young, able-bodied person pull that shit off.

TVA, where are you to preach the folies and dangers of old people on our roads.
 
I agree with 250Rocket, their is more youngsters on the road vs people over 65. So coming in with a comparison with the two groups makes no sense.

Oh et à propos theoutsider, je comprend que sa s'appelle vieillir, mais il ne faut pas oublier qu'un jeune reste un jeune, même si toi ou DannyITR ne l'êtes plus. Ils prendront toujours plus de risques et seront plus téméraire, pcq sa fait partie de l'apprentissage et de l'évolution vers la maturité.

Donc sans vous accuser d'être hypocrite, garder seulement cette réflexion en tête.
 
I agree with 250Rocket, their is more youngsters on the road vs people over 65. So coming in with a comparison with the two groups makes no sense.

Oh et à propos theoutsider, je comprend que sa s'appelle vieillir, mais il ne faut pas oublier qu'un jeune reste un jeune, même si toi ou DannyITR ne l'êtes plus. Ils prendront toujours plus de risques et seront plus téméraire, pcq sa fait partie de l'apprentissage et de l'évolution vers la maturité.

Donc sans vous accuser d'être hypocrite, garder seulement cette réflexion en tête.


The stats shown in this thread doesn't show it, but the youngsters represents 9% of the drivers, and they still represents 23% of the accidents.

So it does make sense.
 
I agree with 250Rocket, their is more youngsters on the road vs people over 65. So coming in with a comparison with the two groups makes no sense.

I never said more. There are still more registered 65+ drivers than <24 year old drivers what I'm trying to say is that

1) Usually the car is packed with young kids going to some party when an accident happens therefore 1 accident yield higher numbers in the <24 column

2) Drive more = more risk. I argue the young drive much more than the old.
 
Bref, y'a pas de solution ultime à tous nos moeurs. La seule solution serait qu'il n'y ait plus d'automobilistes.
 
I never said more. There are still more registered 65+ drivers than <24 year old drivers what I'm trying to say is that

1) Usually the car is packed with young kids going to some party when an accident happens therefore 1 accident yield higher numbers in the <24 column

2) Drive more = more risk. I argue the young drive much more than the old.

You got it! I'm 20, my girlfriend live on the Island and work on the south shore, my home is in Laval, and I work at the airport. I do a bit more than 50k km a year!! Sometime I wish they could put more importance on the mileage you're doing per year, like a pilot! I spent most of my time on the road, I've been in the U.S for the first time last month and I have to say that every time something stupid happen, a car from Quebec caused it. I like this place but fuck, someone need to do something before we crawl into matante madness!
 
^its called being a hypocrite.

not really, it's like telling your kids not to drink until they black out and suffer from borderline alcohol poisoning because you've done it once and realized it was a bad idea.

are motorcyclists who have wiped out horribly riding squid who tell you not to ride squid hypocrites? is everyone who ever learned from experience a hypocrite? because then everyone would be a hypocrite.

being a hypocrite would be thinking that certain rules apply to everyone else but not to you.

anyways on topic: regardless of how you look at it, young people and old people are the most accident prone. young people are more of a danger to themselves while old people are more of a danger to others. i sometimes dodge young people driving like assholes, i'm always dodging some old farts driving completely unaware.
 
I decided to look up the stats. Here are Canadian road accidents from 2009 by agegroup.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-tp3322-2009-1173.htm

Age Fatalities Serious Inj Injuries (Total)
15-245232,94742,257
25–343641,94630,738
35–442441,70426,148
45–543551,85626,205
55–642521,08916,418
65 +3891,11613,922


As you can see, the 15-24 group is the most affected. Also note that the 65+ is not a ten year increment but encompass everyone in their 70s, 80s and 90s.

These stats, although probably accurate, aren't worth much is they don't take gender into account.

Even my girlfriend who doesn't have her driver's license (MTL gonna MTL) is like "Wow that was danerous, must be a woman" when we're driving around.

I'd say without blowing numbers out of proportion that 75% of the time I see something stupid or just plain dangerous on the road, a woman is at the wheel. It's fucking crazy I swear.
 
Says the owner of the biggest street racing forum in Quebec who's never sped in his life.

Please tell me how slow you drove while racing in the good old days.

I never said I don't speed from time to time(even today) but I can guarantee that my driving habits are about 1000x safer now then they were when I was 20. I also never said I didn't race back in the day. But that was ten years ago and I'm happy someone close to be didn't have to die so I could be taught a lesson.
 
I never said I don't speed from time to time(even today) but I can guarantee that my driving habits are about 1000x safer now then they were when I was 20. I also never said I didn't race back in the day. But that was ten years ago and I'm happy someone close to be didn't have to die so I could be taught a lesson.

Lol @ 1000x safer driving habits...C'est pas plus safe de rouler 200 a 20 ans qua 35 lol! Peux-etre que tes décision sont parfois plus prudente par expérience mais reste que expérience ou pas échappe le cul de ton teg dans une curve pi c'est bye bye dans lchamp! meme si ta 204767382 ans d'expérience.
 
I decided to look up the stats. Here are Canadian road accidents from 2009 by agegroup.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-tp3322-2009-1173.htm

Age Fatalities Serious Inj Injuries (Total)
15-245232,94742,257
25–343641,94630,738
35–442441,70426,148
45–543551,85626,205
55–642521,08916,418
65 +3891,11613,922


As you can see, the 15-24 group is the most affected. Also note that the 65+ is not a ten year increment but encompass everyone in their 70s, 80s and 90s.



And for those curious about the guns:

CountryFirearm death rate
Japan0.07
United Kingdom0.25
Australia1.05
Germany1.1
Sweden1.47
Norway1.78
Canada2.13
France3
Switzerland3.84
Nicaragua7.14
United States10.2
Mexico11.07


Why you bring firearms into this, though??? There are alot of responsible firearms owners on MR. The country is trying to eliminate high power assault weapons so I guess we should eliminate higher powered cars as well.

And how is the USA in any way simular to Canada? 30 million people vs 300,000 million people.
 
Bref, y'a pas de solution ultime à tous nos moeurs. La seule solution serait qu'il n'y ait plus d'automobilistes.

Je ne suis pas d'accord. Je vote pour ce que la Finlande fait. Des courts de conduite et des examens beaucoup plus poussé pour l'obtention du permis de conduire. Moi-même depuis j'ai fait mon premier stage de track n'racing je conduis différemment.

Stop using TVA tactics. One thing I fail to see is a comparison on km traveled vs. death/injuries. As a young adult you usually do long road trips and drive for the sake of driving. Exposure to risk increases the chance of something happening. So comparing an 18 year old that logs at least 2000km/month vs a 70 year old that drives 5 km to the grocery store and back changes the dynamic immensely.
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TVA, where are you to preach the folies and dangers of old people on our roads.

You sir have a point. These stats are very general and we should look at it with some consideration.

For Example :
My dad 65+ category drives less than 8,000km per year and always stays in within his neighbourhood.
I 24-34 category drive 40,000+km per year all around province.
So therefore every 5years my dad drives, his risk factor is less (because of the area he drives) than 1 year of driving for me.

so technically speaking I could crash 4times my car just this year and still be considered a better statistic % than my dad who would have 1 crash.

I'd be very curious to see just what would the % of accident per ages per 10,000km be. I'm sure it would change the odds.

I never said I don't speed from time to time(even today) but I can guarantee that my driving habits are about 1000x safer now then they were when I was 20. I also never said I didn't race back in the day. But that was ten years ago and I'm happy someone close to be didn't have to die so I could be taught a lesson.

It's exactly the same for me... I can't stand these little punk and kids who push their shitty cars beyond their limit. As I sais earlier, my age changed my habit and my knowledge of real racing on tracks has changed it even more.
However there is dangerous driver in pretty much all ages category and base on the mileage done I'd be incline to say its almost even, problem is that most accident involving death is indeed related to youngster. I just hate the propaganda surrounding the actual speed on highways.

It's like the .08 alcohol thing. They wanted to reduced it... but what for. When some tragedy is related to drunk driving, the guy was drunk and waaaaay beyond the legal limit. Therefore if he would have been .08 he would have been fine, reducing it wouldn't change anything.

As for speed, how many accident on highways wouldn't have happen if the driver would have been doing 100 instead of wtv speed he was doing. Let's face the truth here, if (and I do insist on the IF) we were all good drivers and left the left lane free unless we were passing someone and IF people would actually look in their mirrors, we could in all safety go 200k and over with NO danger what so ever. They do it in Europe and so should we in here.

Id vote for something like this;

On a 3Lane highway

100-120 on right lane
120-140 on middle lane
140-200 on left lane.

Doing this Id believe less than 10% would be on the left lane and that everyone would safely be and safely get to their destination.

my 2 cent
 
Read the whole thing. Nice well thought out post, was a good read.
The most frustrating thing for me is lane hoggers. I'm an impatient person to begin with so I try to keep my rage to myself when I'm on the road. I usually just gotta tell myself "I'm in a nice ass car on a nice day like this, why be mad at other peoples shitty driving? I have nothing to be mad about in life"
 
I hate people who drive 130 in the left lane, I'm doing 120, I move over to let them pass, and after they pass they switch to the middle lane and start doing 100 ... wtf are you doing

Also people who drive in the city and I swear their mission is to get to the red light the fastest, like they see ahead that its red but they speed up to 80ish, slam the brakes and wait...
 
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