Afflux de migrants en Europe, un probleme considérable??

Incognito25 said:
Ce n'est pas tant l'immigration qui cause le problème... c'est l'intégration. Par example ici, lorsqu'un immigrant immigre dans 90% du temps il s'installera à Montréal pour être plus près des gens de sa communauté (Pierrefonds, Montréal-Nord, Saint-Michel, West-Island etc). Donc au lieu de nouer des nouveaux liens, ceux-ci créent artificiellement leur pays d'origine. À mon avis, pour éviter ce genre de phénomène on devrait assigner une région à ceux qui n'ont pas de famille pour les accueillir; on règle le problème des régions sous-peuplées et on force les nouveaux arrivants à nouer des liens.
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I see what you mean but that won`t solve the problem.
The biggest problem is not integration, so many 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants have beautifully integrated, no language barrier, no cultural barrier however some still `demand` that they practice their culture and ways of life in Canada. And some just don`t want to learn the ways of here.

As a son of an immigrant I`m big on selective immigration (that means we choose the best/hardest workers and minds and not just any joe schmoe.. also a follow up after 5 or 10 years to see where they at would be nice) I`m against excessive refugees and mass immigration because we can see how that`s going to end (ie, France, Sweden and now the rest of Europe)
 
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Gregster said:
They are flooding Europe by the 1000's now. Europe will die a quick death. A consequence of liberal imigration policy & stupid belief that these people want to assimilate. Don't expect any tolerance of diversity when the majority demographic is reversed. Every new wave of "asylum seekers" is bringing more hatred, unemployment and crime. By the time people wake up, it will be much too late. To think patches of sovereign land are being taken over by foreign extremists. If that's not an act of war, what is
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WE owe it to the poor muslim migrants to give them fullcitizenship and free services,
there are no negative effects of hundreds of thousand of migrants , mostly men , to take soil in Western countries...
We are rich enough to give them alll of that, we owe them poor 1 billion muslims

... is what liberal dummies think ....

Problem we look upon the celebrities, and they will all share Ben Aflek's dumb opinion, all for their own gain, some of them should pseak out, but it'll never happen

Concordia Teacher, crazy interesting , fix the http

h ttp://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/gad-saad-2
 
http://www.courrierinternational.com/article/royaume-uni-limmigration-massive-une-force-pour-leurope

Plutôt que de les craindre, l’Europe aurait tout intérêt à accueillir les immigrants qui arrivent actuellement sur ses côtes, juge l’hebdomadaire britannique conservateur The Economist.

“Un plus grand panneau de bienvenue serait dans l’intérêt de l’Europe”, avertit The Economist, qui prend position en faveur de l’accueil des migrants qui arrivent dans l’Union européenne. Pour l’hebdomadaire économique, les Européens auraient tout intérêt à ouvrir davantage leur porte. L’Europe ferait mieux de regarder ailleurs, poursuit The Economist, notamment en direction de pays comme le Liban, “qui a accueillit 1,1 million de Syriens, soit près d’un quart de sa population”, ou la Tanzanie, qui accueille des centaines de millions de réfugiés en provenance du Burundi et du Congo, alors que le revenu moyen est cinquante fois plus bas qu’en Europe.

Il y a ensuite l’aspect économique, ajoute l’hebdomadaire, qui avance qu’un afflux d’immigration aurait un effet positif sur les économies européennes. “La main-d’œuvre européenne vieillit et commencera bientôt à diminuer”, et les immigrés, “typiquement jeunes et prêts à travailler”, peuvent aider les Européens à rembourser leurs “immenses dettes”.
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blackyGTI98 said:
WE owe it to the poor muslim migrants to give them fullcitizenship and free services,
there are no negative effects of hundreds of thousand of migrants , mostly men , to take soil in Western countries...
We are rich enough to give them alll of that, we owe them poor 1 billion muslims

... is what liberal dummies think ....

Problem we look upon the celebrities, and they will all share Ben Aflek's dumb opinion, all for their own gain, some of them should pseak out, but it'll never happen

Concordia Teacher, crazy interesting , fix the http

h ttp://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/gad-saad-2
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Listened to that podcast last week really enjoyed it even though it's like almost 3 hours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Italys-growing-anti-immigrant-sentiment.html

Mamadou Kamara, an 18-year-old from the Ivory Coast, allegedly slit the throat of Vincenzo Solano, 68, and then attacked his Spanish-born wife, Mercedes Ibanez, 70.
Ms Ibanez fell to her death from a second-floor balcony, during a robbery that turned violent.
Mr Kamara is one of thousands of migrants and refugees living at a vast reception centre at nearby Mineo, in south-eastern Sicily.
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It's incredible how dysfunctional the EU is. It's been an on going issue for over a year now, yet there has been no plan setup, no semblance of one, if there's one thing everyone can agree upon is that it requires a serious and immediate attention. Sure the issue is in the news almost every day but nothing has been done yet. How much more catastrophic does it need to get? No wonder some people are arguing for a European Federation.
 
Spiter_01 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Italys-growing-anti-immigrant-sentiment.html
Mamadou Kamara, an 18-year-old from the Ivory Coast, allegedly slit the throat of Vincenzo Solano, 68, and then attacked his Spanish-born wife, Mercedes Ibanez, 70.
Ms Ibanez fell to her death from a second-floor balcony, during a robbery that turned violent.
Mr Kamara is one of thousands of migrants and refugees living at a vast reception centre at nearby Mineo, in south-eastern Sicily.
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I dont see where you're going with this sad story.
 
Spiter_01 said:
That simply putting them in camps isn't a solution. The misery doesn't just end because they've made it to the Europe and can collect welfare. Lack of a coherent plan will lead to violence.
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This is a poor example that doesnt belongs to this debate : Lot of italians (and europeans) are murdered by other italians (and others europeans) by the same time...

No, putting them in camps isn't a solution for sure. Integration (or so-called) is the solution. These people wont and must not be send back in their insafe country. They prefer to die trying to come in Europe than staying in their countries. They have absolutely nothing to lose (except their family)...
 
I saw a news report that mentioned that Germany will have to absorb 800 000 migrants this year.

Holy shit that is a lot of people. And that is just 1 country in the EU...

We are talking millions of people in a year. Flabergasting...
 
Big Pat said:
I saw a news report that mentioned that Germany will have to absorb 800 000 migrants this year.

Holy shit that is a lot of people. And that is just 1 country in the EU...

We are talking millions of people in a year. Flabergasting...
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There are billions of people around the globe, so that's like 1/1000 of the population.
 
Big Pat said:
I saw a news report that mentioned that Germany will have to absorb 800 000 migrants this year.

Holy shit that is a lot of people. And that is just 1 country in the EU...

We are talking millions of people in a year. Flabergasting...
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La recette parfaite pour une situation de marde. A pourcentage egal, ya pas un pays qui serait capable d absorber autant de migrants.

Wether people like it or not, its unsustainable. Impossible.

Please ignore vantage's socialist vision
 
Big Pat said:
I saw a news report that mentioned that Germany will have to absorb 800 000 migrants this year.
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Source ?

Big Pat said:
Holy shit that is a lot of people. And that is just 1 country in the EU...

We are talking millions of people in a year. Flabergasting...
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And what do you think about what happened during and after the second world war ?

theoutsider said:
A pourcentage egal, ya pas un pays qui serait capable d absorber autant de migrants.
Wether people like it or not, its unsustainable. Impossible.
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Source ?

theoutsider said:
Please ignore vantage's socialist vision
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Une vision socialiste ? T'es un comique, toi !
Pour ton info, ça s'appelle avoir une vision humaniste.

Voilà ce en quoi je crois (Soyez ouverts d'esprit pour quelques minutes au moins) :
http://www.alterecoplus.fr/tribunes-debats/migrants-dix-raisons-et-plus-de-les-accueillir-dignement-en-europe-201508311800-00001999.html
 
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vantage1971 said:
Source ?
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It was the French News report on TV5 last sunday or Monday. Imdon't have the link, sorry.

[Edit] google would have been your friend...

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/articl...arrivee-massive-de-refugies_4729678_3214.html

And what do you think about what happened during and after the second world war ?
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Sorry, but this is a bullshit comparaison.

The comparaison is only in numbers. I have yet to see ISIS Stukas straffing refugee column, and ISIS chasing migrants through Hungary...

Besides, French refugees fleeing the Blitzkrieg in May 1940 for the most part returned home four years later, and even sooner than that. Besides, while they may be different, people from Northern France were not that different from people from middle and souther France. Integration was not really an issue.

I don't see this happening with the current wave of migrants.

Modern Europe was founded on humanist principles rather than tribal ones. As such, welcoming people in need is at the core of these values.

However, the current situation is well outside the norm.

Think of it as giving blood. It is a noble and useful gestures for people in need. But you cannot give 6 pints of blood in one sitting. You need some time to recuperate.

Let's say they welcome all migrants and give them all the services of any other citizen. You have to deal with millions of people that do not even speak the local language, so you, at a minimum, have to provide enough teachers to teach them how to communicate. Language teachers do not grow in trees in sufficient numbers... The EU is already economically strained to the breaking point, so I doubt the member countries have enough teachers on retainer that can be deployed at will..

And that is only one tiny facet. The same applies to health services (I would imagine that with the conditions in their country of origin, migrants received less than optimal care...), to housing (winter is coming... Where are you going to place all these people once the temperature dips below 10C?) etc.

It is simply too much, too fast.
 
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vantage1971 said:
Pour ton info, ça s'appelle avoir une vision humaniste.
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Humaniste? Non. Pour y etre, il y doit avoir un 'accord non-parler' entre les deux cote, celui qui donne de l'aide et celui qui le recoit. Dans le cas de l'Eupore presentement, ceux qui recoit de l'aide ne le font pas en bonne foi; mais tous simplement pour prendre avantage de la situation socialiste (l'argent gratuit) de l'Europe. Quand tu pose un geste humanistique, tu n'attend pas que la personne tu a aider vas l'utiliser contre toi.
 
Apparently some migrants are burning their paper and claiming to be Syrian so they can claim refugee status. Government are going to start sorting them out based on their accents.
 
mojojojo said:
Humaniste? Non. Pour y etre, il y doit avoir un 'accord non-parler' entre les deux cote, celui qui donne de l'aide et celui qui le recoit. Dans le cas de l'Eupore presentement, ceux qui recoit de l'aide ne le font pas en bonne foi; mais tous simplement pour prendre avantage de la situation socialiste (l'argent gratuit) de l'Europe. Quand tu pose un geste humanistique, tu n'attend pas que la personne tu a aider vas l'utiliser contre toi.
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Honnêtement, même si on se doute un peu que c'est ce qui va arriver, c'est trop tôt pour dire que les migrants ne s'intégrerons pas, ou qu'ils sont de mauvaise foi.
 
Germany must be really confident in it's ability to integrate these refugees and sees this as a partial solution to their declining birthrate.
 
Big Pat said:
Honnêtement, même si on se doute un peu que c'est ce qui va arriver, c'est trop tôt pour dire que les migrants ne s'intégrerons pas, ou qu'ils sont de mauvaise foi.
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lol les algériens qui sont en france depuis des décénies se sont bien intégrés :dunno:
 
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